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This interview was held a little over a month ago on cacti radio.<br />
<a href="https://www.cactiradio.com">https://www.cactiradio.com</a>
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John Thomas Draper (born 1943), also known as Captain Crunch, Crunch or Crunchman (after Cap'n Crunch, the mascot of a breakfast cereal), is a computer programmer and former phone phreak. He is a legendary figure within the computer programming world.
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