Media formats and freedom
Hosted by Epicanis on 2012-10-24 is flagged as Explicit and is released under a CC-BY-SA license.
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It took 14 months longer than intended to get this episode done! To make up
for it, I've unintentionally ended up with enough time of me talking to almost
make up a minimal-useful-sized episode every month while everyone's been
Today's episode of "Thoughtkindness" consists of:
- Me begging for forgiveness for disappearing for a year.
- An update on "bunnies", my linux laptop from Ohava Computers
- Over an hour of my attempt to collect and explain why we need
to make media on the internet more "freetarded"
After revealing what ticked me off and made me start on this episode, I
launch into a short technical and historical talk about the handful of audio
and video files that matter on the web today.
(Opus, Ogg Vorbis, WebM, MP3, Flash Video, MP4, and a few others).
Following this, I explain why I think the legally-free media formats are
so important, and much more useful than most people seem to recognize, why
I think we need to be paying more attention to audio than video, and what
needs to happen to make legally-free media ubiquitous.
I conclude by once again begging for attention and foolishly publically
announcing that I want to try to develop some software and invite everyone
to pester me for it as well as for future audio shows. Maybe I won't be
allowed to procrastinate for another year before producing more this time.
Let me know if this is helpful or at least entertaining...
Note: an Opus version of this episode will be available at
http://hpr.dogphilosophy.net for either online listening in
Firefox 15 or later, or downloading for listening in VLC or
other Opus-supporting applications.
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Comment #1 posted on 2012-10-25T11:52:24Z by deepgeek
I, for one, want to hear about your RAID/btrfs experiments!
Comment #2 posted on 2012-10-25T13:24:45Z by pokey
Wow, what a good job! Without any exaggeration whatsoever, I can say that this episode is well thought out, well executed, thorough, serious, important, technical, political and funny all at the same time. Of our 1103 episodes so far, this one is solidly in the top 20 (perhaps top 10) imo. I wish I could put out an episode this good. Bravo.
Comment #3 posted on 2012-10-26T18:25:20Z by Epicanis
Et tu, DeepGeek?
Dagnabbit - I've had this pseudonym for about two DECADES now, and suddenly in the last year this starts happening.
I want to once again assure everyone that the exit of my digestive system is entirely unremarkable. There is nothing "epic" about it at all!
Thanks for the encouragement - I'll put together something on my btrfs experiment and a couple of other topics on my list!
Comment #4 posted on 2012-10-27T13:58:48Z by Quvmoh
have to comment on two in one week
entertaining and informative, thank you!
Comment #5 posted on 2012-10-30T16:17:47Z by AukonDK
Great episode! Feeling pretty inadequate comparing my own efforts to this wonderfully and effortlessly funny performance. However, the message behind it is very encouraging and inspires me to step up my game.
Comment #6 posted on 2012-10-31T11:25:05Z by JonTheNiceGuy (email@example.com | firstname.lastname@example.org)
A great episode & Media Conversion
Just wanted to thank you for producing such an excellent show, which explains this subject so very well.
I'd love to discuss this subject with you (and, well, frankly anyone - email addresses are above), but in particular, the media converter project you mention.
I already have a large chunk of this in my CCHits.net show generator code: http://gitorious.org/cchits-net/website-rewrite/blobs/master/CLI/library.php
I'd love to help out, or at the very least, talk about it further!
All the best,
Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs
Comment #7 posted on 2012-10-31T15:24:14Z by Ken Fallon
Join the dev mail list
Hi Jon/anyone else that wants to help
Please join the dev mail list at http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/dev_hackerpublicradio.org
Comment #8 posted on 2012-10-31T21:56:46Z by Epicanis
Guess I'd better get to work!...
Quvmoh: Thanks for the encouragement!
AukonDK: Bear in mind that it took me over a year of labor to make it seem "effortless", and in that time you put out *three* episodes, so I don't think you're doing too bad at all!
JonTheNiceGuy: Thanks, I'll shoot you and email. I've slowed down a bit on the project just because I got it to the "barely minimally functional" stage (I can now upload a .wav file, fill in the metadata, and have it fire off the process to successfully generate a .opus file from it, including [I think] "album art"). Still a lot to tackle, though.
I'm also working on a proposed upload form for HPR submissions that I need to get done, but I'll probably post the three topic ideas I have going for my next HPR submissions over at http://hpr.dogphilosophy.net for discussion soon. (I wasn't kidding about inviting people to pester me so I don't slack off...)
Comment #9 posted on 2012-11-06T20:38:16Z by Epicanis
Metadata in the media files
Regarding checking to see if the files play okay with the metadata I put in them, and how much of the metadata displays in the player that is used, here are my own results so far:
VLC 2.0.4 (Linux, x86_64), Ogg: Plays fine, shows Artist, Title (no album art)
VLC 2.0.4, mp3: Shows Artist, Title, Album Art
Firefox 16 (Linux, x86_64) Ogg: Plays fine. No metadata. (No album art)
JuK, Ogg: plays fine, shows Artist, Title, Album (no Album art)
Amarok, Ogg: plays fine, shows Artist, Title, Album (no album art)
Dragon Player, Ogg: plays fine, shows Artist, Title, Album (no album art).
(kid3 shows the album art, so it's in there...)
Will be testing more and reporting later. Thanks!
Comment #10 posted on 2012-11-07T17:07:07Z by pokey
I'd love to be a fly on the wall...
Epicanis, and John The Nice Guy: I think listening to the two of you bounce ideas back and forth would make for some great listening! Now, if only there were a place on the internet that the two of you could submit a recording of suck a thing...
Comment #11 posted on 2012-11-08T01:53:56Z by Epicanis
More metadata testing
I'm seriously annoyed to find so few players actually bother to decode album art in Ogg Vorbis files, but I finally DID find one...
Nightingale (fork from "Songbird" which dropped Linux) actually decodes and displays album art from hpr1103 corrrectly. Hooray!
ZVUE 250 (hardware mp3/ogg/"divx" player from 2006) - plays hpr1103 fine but shows no metadata.
pokey: I'm not sure if the exchange would be all that interesting to listen to - right now we have several hours to a day or more to consider between replies! I should, however, be including some background on metadata in general in the next episode I do (which should be about geotagging) and in audio files specifically when I get around to doing the followup episode to HPR1103 (probably shortly after the geotagging episode and a shorter/low-priority btrfs one).
(Also even more about metadata, probably, if I ever get around to doing the topic I'm currently thinking about after those...)
Comment #12 posted on 2012-11-13T13:39:26Z by pokey
I meant "such a thing" not "suck a thing"! My dyslexia is getting bad lately. I'm really sorry I didn't catch that while proof reading.
Comment #13 posted on 2012-12-05T02:27:03Z by Somewhat Reticent
Test listen cut short
Near-inaudible conversation invaded by full-volume horns results in hostile reaction. Sorry.
I mute some ads on television for the same behavior.
Comment #14 posted on 2012-12-05T02:39:53Z by Somewhat Reticent
Thanks for introducing Nightingale
Always good to meet freed software!
Comment #15 posted on 2012-12-11T21:30:55Z by dann
playback on sansa clip zip +
the ogg file worked just fine. I did not see any album art, but it did display the information and play without a hiccup.
Comment #16 posted on 2012-12-16T18:27:06Z by Epicanis
Misplaced comments/Thanks Dann!
Looks like a couple of commenters ended up here instead of on whatever episode they were commenting on?
Thanks for testing, Dann - does the Clip Zip+ show album art for anything (mp3 or otherwise)?
(I know my v1 Clip doesn't, and I don't think the other tiny Sansa device I have does either).