This is Hacker Public Radio Episode 3,662 for Tuesday the 16th of August 2022.
Today's show is entitled, Hacker Public Radio 2021-22 New Year's, Show Part 1.
It is the 20th show of Hunky Magoo and is about 186 minutes long.
It carries an explicit flag.
The summary is, the HP, our community comes together to chat.
Good morning, that minor.
How are you, sir?
Oh, getting my decided to drop in for, since it's been two years since I was able to do it.
What you were in the year before?
Yeah, but last year, the old system didn't allow my mumble to hook up.
Did you do anything interesting for Christmas?
Not really.
Oh, no.
Very quiet.
I'm going to be a busy year.
I've got to get this place hooked up to sewage, or I won't be able to make next year's
podcast.
So, are you going to go for the loan now?
I'm going to see what I can do.
Unfortunately, my property has come under as become interesting to do it to a developer.
So, his friends at the town hall are making me hook up to sewage and continuing to be
grandfathered.
The same people who help with home renovations are also the people who deal with developers,
a conflict of interest, which is probably very useful.
Probably just not for you, unfortunately.
Well, if I wasn't disabled, I would have lost the house to, when my mother went into
the nursing homes.
So, at least I got a fighting chance sort of, of course, this situation is helping my
clinical depression massively.
Oh, I'm sure.
And, well, I've got a lawyer, but I don't think he's really willing to engage.
I got you.
So, are you still into the decluttering process of your their house?
Yes, although over Christmas, my depression has gotten ahead of me, but I'm just going
to be have to keep grinding on and getting rid of the most sensitive materials, of course.
Right.
Right.
The fixed the network cables that were hanging down that frightened them?
No, I haven't.
I've been working on other decluttering.
I removed one full-size bed and have been hacking away at other cluttered spaces.
Now, a lot of the general cleanup hasn't been progressing or has regressed, but I have
been getting a bunch of stuff out of the door.
Well, that's good.
You see, you're brother over the holidays?
Oh, no.
He won't come up here until it's time to catch the check.
On the road?
Oh, yeah.
He's on the road and he's got himself a nice way to do that.
He led morning, morning, Ken, because we're not heard people talking.
Yeah.
We're here, man.
He's the trouble.
We're not hearing you.
That's the question.
Testing.
We hear you.
Excellent.
Very good.
Good morning, honky.
Hi.
How are you?
Not too bad.
Do we have a...
Itapad?
Yep.
You've broken me up into you and I just put it here in the normal chat.
It's the shownotes.org guy that 9-001-P-H-H-P-R-N-Y-2-2-1.
I got a bigger screw with that.
Was the fact that I wasn't able to ever post to the mailing list and then when I posted
it to social networks, I kind of had to cut it back the size of my posts so I left some
of the details up here and I was going to show up on the, uh, what's get posted to,
I have a, I have a public radio that org, I could talk this morning.
Okay.
One second.
See if the page is up there to two minutes to the first one going.
Yep.
We got us, I need the bad.
Excellent.
It's excellent.
Now, we tested the audio streamer all?
Yeah.
The only weirdness is it doesn't play, um, Firefox with the ultra-play thing because of the
HTTP HTTP S got it.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Of course it is.
That's the way that I'm going to be right now.
Sorry.
No.
It's fine.
You did well together.
Really?
I mean, I work in BLC and all that.
Yeah.
That too.
And for some reason, FFNPG is having a problem, um, playing it so I updated the, uh, recordings
from the stream thing.
So I have one of them running here and one running in Ireland.
So there's, uh, I updated the link and how to do it with command line BLC, we're almost
down to one minute, then at least some people can get out of this decking year.
Now, how is the audio levels with that?
I really didn't have much time to test it.
I got it.
No.
It was about like 11 o'clock last night and I finally got it.
And, uh, ice cast and butt, the big thing that they're being, getting butt to work.
Because the, the hard, ice cast, I got up and no problem.
Hell, I had it on a, uh, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a super easy, but a, uh, trying to find a client
to work.
Like, no, there's no client in the repo anywhere.
Ice cast is everywhere, but there's no clients in any repos anywhere.
So I had to compile things from source and I tried OBS, I tried mixed, I tried, um, with
dark ice, I tried getting dark ice compiled, I couldn't get dark ice compiled.
But I got butt to compile last night and, but it's nice.
It's got this nice little, uh, uh, grass for the set up.
Should we do the intro?
Sure.
This chat for afterwards, because I have some sharing as all 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
Go ahead with your intro.
Oh, okay.
Uh, hi.
Welcome again to the Hacker Public Radio New Year's Eve show.
Uh, today is December 31, 2021, and, uh, I would be, but years this for, it, I have
the ninth on my thing here, but it's not the ninth, isn't it?
Well, actually, it's, uh, not it's the, it's the, it's the first January 2022, because we
just welcomed in Christmas Island into the new year.
It is indeed for those people in Christmas Island, happy new year, uh, to the rest of us
still waiting, uh, happy new year's Eve.
We're here again, talking, having a good time for 26 hours, or at least, at least, because
it's falling on the Saturday, it'll usually, uh, uh, start falling on the Friday, and then
Saturday, hopefully we'll pick up some people, people, be willing to talk and come back
on tomorrow.
So I'm expecting a full day tomorrow, so yeah.
So I actually, when I heard that the stream wasn't available, I also started, uh, doing
the configuration.
And I ran into the same thing, you see, uh, no problem just doing a DNF install, uh, ice
cast, and for the people listening, in order to get streaming working.
So you get something that's playing, and you need to get it out to a streamer.
So the streamer is ice cast, and it's simple, up-get install, ice cast, Bob Jumple,
Maggie Jordan, Thompson first cousin, and I worked on Fedora and I worked on Ubuntu, no problem.
So then you have mumble, and you need to get the sound out of a mumble, and into, uh, into
this ice cast server.
Yeah.
I'm, I'm saying this like in the next part, which I'm not, because the only experience
I have has been failure is trying to get it to work on subsequent hate for your issues,
uh, new your issues, so then you have this client thing that sits in the middle, but
take your audio from, uh, sound card, and then streams that I guess into the streaming client,
and the students in the ice cast and ice cast, then divs it up and streams it out.
Was that kind of correct? Do you think?
That seems about right. Uh, yeah. Uh, again, like the heart you were saying, the hardest part
about that was trying to get, uh, client to work right. Um, yeah, exactly.
Ed, we were, we were talking before about setting up a, uh, uh, what, a null device and audio device.
I didn't even have to do that. I mean, I just set it up like whatever the default audio is,
and, uh, make sure mumble was set up to the same audio, and both are pumping out through,
but it's nice. It is, it has little settings that that you couldn't go in and configure,
like a big settings button. It's not a, uh, you know, you don't have to configure a, uh,
config file and then hope for the best and then try to figure out what's wrong.
Uh, I'm actually recording right now in it. So we'll see how well that works, too.
I have it set up to, uh, start a new recording every three hours or so. So hopefully that should
work great. So I'm most reading and recording on the same device, and it's going to start
a new recording every three hours automatically. So we'll see how well this works. So far it seems
we're working. There is still audio coming out. Uh, about 11 o'clock last night is when I
finally got this finished work. Well, to be fair, I started really working on the first thing
yesterday morning, and then I had to stop because we did, um, my parents are up from Florida,
which is south of the United States. And so we did, uh, my brothers appear with me. So we did a,
like, a Christmas too with the kids and my parents. So we did that yesterday. So I had all of that.
And then after everybody left, we could put all the kids the bed. I went right back down here and
started working on it. Yeah, I was asked to run until 11, sorry, one was stuck in the morning.
And because I only found out, like, get around about 10 in the evening. And then,
scant of yours, as I was just, I was in, like, dependency hell. And then I downloaded the source code
and for some of these clients, like dark ice was trying to get installed. And then it didn't have
the name libraries. I installed all the those. And then I got a CPP compatibilityer with version 17
or something. And the only solution to that is fixed the code. So I then tried it on an
Ubuntu machine. And then they buy a certain work and I had a hard disk failure. You know,
yourself. So thankfully, you woke up this morning. Well, I got up early this morning in order to
allow myself time to set up a streamer. But thankfully, you had it already working. Yeah.
And sorry about the show notes and stuff. Uh, it's fine. It's, everything's working now.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The first rating part was the fact that we could, I could never post
to the mailing list. I could then get rejected as spam. So still? Yeah. Well, I tried post it
reposting it again. First thing this morning. And I got rejected as spam. That's why I sent
the, I reposted the email that I tried to send out to the mailing list, you know, back in November
to just to you with the first thing in the morning. Because that had the link to the show notes
so then yeah, all everything's now up on the website. So I think we're good to go. Awesome.
Let's see. What are we talking about? So yeah, I'm filling up the show notes because
get no other people if they don't fill up the show notes and makes your life easier. Yeah,
I do appreciate it. Mobile goes to your client post goes to ICAS.
So have you had a good year trying to think back if you dropped off? No, don't do this.
Don't do loads of silence for you to go. What the hell? What else has gone wrong?
No, no. I mean, I'm just trying to make back the last year. I want to say this year was
probably better than the last several. Very good. Well last year, not 2020, my mother-in-law was
having health issues and she has her problems, where that just wasn't beating enough and stuff.
You're before that. My father-in-law was in a car accident that put him in the hospital for a
long period of time. And then we have all the problems with COVID and whatnot. This year was okay.
Yeah, nothing. We can do it okay. We'll be happy with it. Okay, it's fine.
I don't think there was any big health service this year. Police for me,
let me, my family, we've been pretty good this year. So what the new was, I'm across the
how are things in medallons? Well, we're in lockdown, nothing has happened since the week before
Christmas. They brought in all of a sudden because they didn't want people rushing to the shops
for stuff. It's taken over as the major variant, but at the moment, I mean, we still have to wait
for the delays before people hit the hospitals. And then again, the delay before they hit the critical
care. But it seems to be manageable so far. My father-in-law's, my father-in-law's ex-wife
is working as a nurse in the COVID department, and she says, it's manageable that it's just
become day-to-day now. This is, this is the life of basically taking care of patients and
tend to be full with patients. She's saying anecdotically that there's more people getting dementia.
The result of it, the same a lot more confused this time round, but don't know what
funny one else has picked up enough? I haven't heard that, no. Yeah, my mother's dementia was
advanced by an infection, so it doesn't surprise me, but COVID is advancing
dementia as well. You know, hammers the system, and this was a simple infection that
eventually put her into full-time care. How are you, Netmunder, doing okay?
I'm doing this aside. Well, I'm doing reasonably well. I'll have to see when things come up,
and because of things, well, my emergency planning has to be kind of private if I want to remain
outside of my cell. Oh, that's nice to have a chat. I've been waiting for this
offer over over a year since the server's loved last time.
Cool. My son is looking forward to if he gets to stay up all night and we talk to people.
And I think we're going the next time zone is going 15 minutes after the first run,
which is in three minutes. It's the Chapman Islands in New Zealand, which is interesting.
Pussy is so looking forward to be able to talk without talk to people who are into
the stuff he's into, which is good, which is part of one of Hackropovic radio.
Trying to talk to like-minded people. Well, Turkey is talking and trying to talk to
other techies and stuff. People will come in interest. Oddly enough, he's not a techiest
such he's just into stuff that other people seem to be into. Whether that's, I don't mind craft or
don't use the dragons or Marvel universe or whatever. That's sort of stuff.
Way of a lot of it. There's a lot of people like all that stuff here. Exactly. Exactly.
I just logged in to Facebook for the first time in a year. I was able to copy and paste my last post,
changed 2019 to 2021 to 2022. I've been able to avoid Facebook successfully.
The only reason I have it is for this, for this show, and occasionally contacting
our location, we get a message through from cousin or somebody abroad who's looking for something.
Yeah, my abroad would be your local. Well, that reminds me, I have some stuff to check on.
I do most of my connections through YouTube. Really? To the chasers by posting videos?
Uh, usually replying to videos. Uh, I don't chat much.
Oh, replying to family videos, you mean? Well, family by choice, mostly. Also,
uh, I have Ashburgers syndrome, and it is a good resource for that. And for other autistic
Spectrum disorders and stuff. Yep. Uh, school, Chapman Island, New Zealand has gone.
Happy New Year to them. Well, I hope it's still there, but happy New Year folks.
We have another three hours before we have the next weird one. So it's always been odd when you do
the first one, and then there's 15 minutes later, there's a weird 15 thing. So did you find
getting your diagnosis helpful or not? Well, it's got me an income. Uh, unfortunately,
I ran across a toxic counselor and bailed out after, um, over 15 years. That's not good.
Um, that's good. Well, be very, very wary of a person with a PhD that did not go through a master's
program. Okay. This person, because she had a PhD, believed that she knew everything about life,
the universe and everything. Did she have a tell with her at the same time? It's a question.
Uh, well, someone who used trying to justify the unjustifiable as a logic experiment and triggered
my PTSD sort of, um, uh, got me, uh, was a hint in surviving veteran mode. Well, I'm not a nice guy.
All right. And I dropped for two minutes to grab a cup of coffee.
Excuse me. I put on the pocket earlier on, so that it would be proud of me.
And interesting thing was my father who graduated from a West Virginia,
small town, West Virginia High School and Mass Radio. Don't forget that. I mean, look, we're
doing shows here. He believed that he knew how everybody should run their lives as well. So he didn't
need a PTSP PhD to have a perfect view of the universe. Excellent. Well, that's good. All this
will, uh, happy. Well, for people who are sold within, it must be good knowing well. That's it. Probably
good for them, not so good for everybody else. Well, I got my PTSD across the dinner table. Okay.
Also, um, one of the aspects of Ashberger is that we're sort of like commander data.
We tend to be literal and logical, focused, perceptive, intense. Now, yeah, but I hear you
rhyming off the, the autism. Right. When I got diagnosed, I was looking at a lot of this stuff
on going, okay, that doesn't apply to me. That doesn't apply to me. That doesn't apply to me. I can
see how that might apply to me, but not in that context. So I'm very reluctant to go, if those
things apply to you, then let's find go with it. Well, when I was looking at them, I was going,
some of this stuff applies to me, but it's in the wrong context. It's like, if somebody's trying to
describe that, somebody who has, through no thoughts of the wrong, because nobody can experience
somebody else's experiences. Somebody's trying to describe what I feel and is getting you wrong.
But yeah, what can you do? It's like that video where the guy is, that the blind guy is
talking about people trying to explain what the color blue looks like. It's warm. It's cold.
It's the color of ice. It's the color of the sky. It's blue seas. It's yeah.
So that's kind of health. Actually, what was interesting is that my condition was detected
initially in my late teens early 20s by a friend of mine who was reading my body language,
which with Ashburgers is absolutely non-standard. And he said, you can't be meaning what your
body is transmitting non-verbal. Yeah, okay. I get that, but I also get that I also notice the issue
with air quotes and your typicals, where they're saying something and their body language is saying
something completely else completely. Oh, it's so nice to see you. Where are the body languages? I hate
being here because I actually want to be at home or something. Or, oh, it's lovely this gift
that I got. I can tell by your body language that it's not. Now, I don't know if that's a
meeting, but it seems to be in our house, at least that some of the people can look at somebody
and see a mismatch in body language. And is that, so my question has been, and this is just a
question that's not, you know, fact-renning the question has been, well, is the change in body language
because we perceive during the non-linear development disorder that is as burgers and us,
and, um, et cetera, is that a learned behavior because you're looking and you're getting confused
by the behavioral of others. Discuss. Well, I get a cup of coffee, back in the stick. I will be listening.
I generally think that it's actually, I consider because of the ash burgers, I think I'm toned
up in the body language area, or rather, like a deaf person trying to speak.
Can I myself come down the stairs in order to cross the push to talk button?
Um, yes, but that can be an addition to autism because there are, there's
separation where you can't read body language, but I'm, I'm not sure that defines autism,
because I definitely don't, that I get confused by people's body language, but you can't,
you can't necessarily know what somebody's saying or thinking about them being totally honesty.
So the only answer you're going to get back, the only one who understands you,
you're going to get back tends to be from another artist who will go, yes, I really don't want
to be here blah, blah, blah. I'm smiling because I just want to smile. Well, the, the thing about
it is that my particular flavor about it, it's sort of a spectrum. That's why they call it an
artistic spectrum. And yeah, yeah, yeah, do they? Do they? Or is that just a donut? Right?
Where you go? Okay, we go. We draw the circle for all the normal people live. And then around that,
we'll draw a circle for all the other boxes that we can pop people in. The skits are
for an ex-stay thingies, the thingies. And then we'll draw another huge big circle around that,
for all the other people who don't fit in. So you might have some sort of this and a little bit
of that. I think that's a get out of your joke cause I just think that is a nice place where
I'm saying, you, I'm not saying you're one, one is not fitting the mold, you're not fitting the
mold, you're not doing stuff as the rest of us do. But that doesn't necessarily mean that I
will have the same traits as you. But that's a more brutal way of putting it down there.
Well, I think that's one of the things about why they, the my particular flavor, which used to
be called high functioning autism, or what have you. Ashburgers was a particular set of symptoms
that somebody bit a German doctor discovered during World War II. So that's part of the reason
why it was slow percolating through the universe. But I am a lifesaver in the book
on the autism, as a result of HBR and my goal, it's on the list to re-related.
The history section of that is quite good about where it comes from, about, uh, and, um, yeah.
But, Caria. Well, the, the deal is that I also have some dyslexia and other sort of issues,
but the deal is that it became a useful, why I still call myself an Ashbeat. By the way,
if you want to hear another Ashbe, it's on YouTube, Eli, the computer guy, is also an Ashbe.
He does, he, he started out doing tech now. He's doing, um, more stuff that's based on,
uh, the insanity going on, of government shutting things down every Tuesday.
We analyze them. I'll give you a, um, I'll give you a link there to another channel, which is
us Burgers from the inside. And it's from a Australian guy who, uh, yeah, basically talks about
autism and what it, what it feels like and for him, some of the stuff I recognize some of the
stuff I don't. Yeah. Well, one of the people that I follow are one of the families that I follow
is, uh, the margins on YouTube and they have a non-verbal autistic. So, some of us can't stop talking
and some of us have not decided to start or can't start. Um, could you,
share package some stuff up and email it to Hongki, um, and then he can pass it on to me.
He's got my private email. Uh, what stuff? Uh, anything autistic related that you might
sure. Sure. It'll be on the show. No, it's posted into the chat right now.
But yeah, I can, I can do that. Welcome across stuff. I can send you the, uh, the book,
which unfortunately still in Dutch. Uh, but we have a little bit of a little bit of a busy time
over the last period. Oh, it's not, sorry. Uh, I had many years of German, but that's
rusted away. And it's not too far, it's not too far off. I had this really weird experience one
time where it was, um, uh, learning Dutch and then, uh, those wooden things over the Christmas,
I firstly confronted the TV and then I woke up, uh, discovered channels on, and I woke up to here
and understand the adult for giving a speech. Uh, okay. Now, it's time for a bit.
Actually, I, my German sometimes posts through, uh, one of my, uh, best buddies in college
was, that's from higher or the original, do not tap any substitute to our limit. My daughter's, uh,
doing her work experience with the real company from there. First train line in the Netherlands
apparently. See, Mr. X coming in, but not listening or speaking. Strange. I really do need to follow
HPR a bit more, but I've got so many interests. It's not even funny. A lot of the
military based, uh, um, basically from my background. You go, grew up in a combat of household and
the military stuff is almost, um, instinctive. Yeah, since there are lots of people in the
moods in the US, well, people I know. Well, both of my, uh, I've got to tell you, if, if I get everything
set up, I'm going to set up a series of coffee shops, veterans of domestic wars, starbucks,
look out. Excellent. Cool for it. Well, I probably will never get around to it,
the least in this life, but I could, but if I, I thought it, it was a natural,
veterans, you know, veterans of foreign wars for the military people, and then we have
veterans of domestic wars for everybody else. Um, which reminds me, um, just wanted to do a shout out
for my brother who served in a Persian unit in Germany during the, toward the end of the cold war,
which from what he's reported was not exactly as cold as people thought.
Hmm. Okay. You know, this year I did actually manage to get my home radio license. So that's
something. So what are you, are you in a new house or did we do the old house? Well, we had, um,
when we moved here first, uh, long story. But then again, we have 26 hours. So
pull up a chair. And we had a, uh, it's an expensive part of the country. So I could
run beside the media park where, um, yeah, all the rich people live basically. So,
I was, for the laugh, I'm one of these property websites and going around 2 million, 1 million
and blind, and this house for affordable at the time. We Kevin had a look, and by good standards,
a nice big backyard and a place house itself was a mess, you know, open the back, back window
on the second floor and the entire wooden facade falls down. So, uh, we had enough money to
renovate the house. So, and that basically the entire thing was got to accept the side wall
at the side wall and a bit of the wall at the front. So we restored the roof to what it was.
We lowered the floor to give us more space on the second floor and that allowed us, uh,
kind of standing room in the attic. And then we basically ran our money and, uh, for 20 years,
we've been living here without, that wall's been painted and stuff because we had kids and everything
in between. So then, um, one thing in another, now we come the right time to, um, to do the
inside because if we don't do it now, then we're never going to do it. So we basically a bit of a
side patio and we, uh, um, there was originally a sort of a donny, uh, an outdoor toilet and then
that was covered over and there was another toilet and built on and then built onto that was like
a hubby room and built onto that was a garden shed and we had knocked all of these together to make
a room, but it was never wide enough and it was too deep and we tried it as a bedroom, it didn't
work, tried it as a play room for the kids, it didn't work and I was working out there for a while
and it didn't work either. So we basically just knocked that and then built a proper room at the back
and the basement we lowered by about half a meter as well. So I can now stand out here and
its insulations got floor heating and regular heating so it's a nice actual room, it's a nice place to
work and we all the rooms, we put in fitted board rooms into and then did all the floors again,
painted everything again so every room had something done on it so therefore we moved to another house
so that the builders could just have a claim on the other house and that was for three months,
it was only supposed to be for two but turned out to be for three and then we moved back
there were still working on it for a month and then there was with the COVID situation,
the deliveries were delayed and stuff and some of the contractors had to come back and back again
because of timing and things not been done. So yesterday the furniture arrived for the
like we've been sitting in garden furniture in the living room so yesterday the furniture arrived
so that's a long story short story, short story, turned into a long story, you're welcome.
Well congratulations also on YouTube there is a Belgian couple who were
refurbishing an old Belgian farm for housing and that's amazing.
The very dangerous thing if you start because you have no idea what you're going to run into
so I hear we had in the back garden there was apparently a pond there of one stage and then they just
filled it up with like a rumble, what's rumble and you know old bricks and target
earn and god knows what sort of rubbish so they those three dyes for like a whole day digging
it out so that they could put in the foundations for the extension so I always very dangerous.
Well I've got a granic foundation and we've we've had to put in a new waterline a couple
years ago now I guess and but by sailing up around the waterline it had reduced a lot of my
wet basement issues. As good to get some some relief from that sort of stuff to be honest you know
when you're building and you're looking at everything and you're making sure that everything's
been painted and everything that's on the list is done you're very focused on the details
like all the public come up from the autism zone but very focused on looking at the details and
that having to pull myself back into it. Now have a look at the whole house it's much improved
it's far better etc etc. Yeah someone did that to my home farm up in Maine used to be my
grandmother's place. One of the problems with this house is my parents were adamant that
well they were raising kids in it it was not our home because our name was not on the deep.
Okay pretty welcome we could be helpful for things but we could not claim
plank ownership of any kind. Yeah very interesting. My dad believed that he was the only one
worth thing here because he got a paycheck and and his wife who was a housewife and his kids
did not get a paycheck therefore they had no cash value therefore they were an expense
and she kept his boots. Not uncommon in the 50s to be told. Well it was interesting being
raised as a 50s kid in the 60s. Yeah especially with my I could observe that you could do your
own thing as long as it looked like the thing of the person sitting in front of you in the girl
behind but side you or in back if you're actually doing something different that could probably
be declared square and therefore beyond the pale but then again being here in the Boston areas
a refugee from two small towns where my folks were raised you see my grandparents were very
welcoming far more than my parents. Were they from Boston? God no my mother was from a small town in Maine
and my dad was from a small town in West Virginia and we were raised small town values hunting
you know my mother was a church going well and not a literary Christian she went one hour a week
which gave her a step up above the heathens that that she was living with. She's Protestant but I
I believe that it's not a denominational thing I believe that there's probably
righteous in all religions. Particularly mine. I wouldn't.
Yeah I'm an Irish Catholic which means I'm Catholic when I go to Ireland. It's just simpler
than in your atheist and so much in culture there's around the church in fairness. Well I'm from
the Boston area and you know the shenanigans that they pulled with you know priests who are doing
things that they shouldn't. Yeah yeah pretty much everywhere. Also a thriving parish was shut down
in my town because it had a voice of the people chapter in it. Oh my god devout Catholics wanting
a say in the running of their churches. We haven't known that. Yeah it's not gonna happen.
Well one of the people if you if you want to hear the good side of good bed and in different
of the Catholic church read Andrew Greeley's works. And I can take them and they can leave them
and they choose to leave them to be honest. Well I'm a Protestant and he helped her store my faith
in faith far more than churchmen of my own denominator. Yeah glad to hear. I wish I really do wish
that they did it for me. Well his stuff is everything from science fiction to analysis of the church
and some of its spiritual some of its a lot of its mysteries and he does a good Sherlock Holmes type thing.
I'm just saying it's not just religious it's it's good writing. And what's the link
of truth into the show? Andrew Greeley author I don't know if there is a link you just he passed away
recently and but he was he was a merciless priest. Yes and he was a father because he was also
a statistician and when he did some statistical work for the church the the answers didn't come
out the way that the hierarchy liked. Interesting which tracks some of the stuff down. He also
did some non-fiction stuff about the church and whatnot. Also he he what was interesting
then he said that there are basically two churches there is the church of the parishes and then
there is the hierarchy. Yeah and while the hierarchy would like them to enforce things like the
people in cyclical and birth control and whatnot. Yeah the parishes don't do that because they'd
like to have more than three old ladies sitting in church on Sunday. I remember that's when
Ireland there was there the pill was about to be legalized and there was a missile syndrome where
everybody all the priests had to or commanded to read out this missile to everybody as part of the
sermon and I remember some very religious ladies who are some of whom are still with us and some
who are are no longer with us saying if the pope had 15 kids running around his legs or they're
in the Vatican he would have another completely different idea as to whether to allow the pillar
not and that was that pretty much opened down the country and yeah there were people who didn't
agree with us but the old women had spoken basically. Well I find the the people response you know
where you get all of the church scholars together you have them sitting in Nevada
and writing up support for you know modern sexuality and birth control and whatnot back in the
sixties and the pope just dismisses it and says well sorry but that's too much to risk to my
power. Well then in the west the pope did more to fracture the church by saying
welcome to 1848 then a lot of the liberal stuff would have done. Yeah you're probably not
running there. Well 1848 is when the pope are something like that is when the pope declared
himself infallible. And so I'm trying to look up the microphone part number here while I'm doing this.
Yes the church. I'm gonna spend some time in the seminary myself as a as a youth not as basically
renting rooms there but I was able to I was I have my meals with the kind of the priests
and well I never saw the point of the they I got the guys who were with the with the
Benedictines they took a vow of celibacy poverty and obedience straight off for a year
for their entire training and had to redo it every year and those guys were more colluded
into you know the religious life you could imagine them being like a cadet of the world
but the diocesan priests should just be married really and I thought that then but now after
having kids myself you really need to be you really need to experience that if you're going to
be preaching about if you're going to be lecturing to somebody about it you need to experience
it helps at least. One of the things that that really put forward was that the priesthood
also should consider an enlistment style situation where you know someone can be a priest for
so many years and then decide to serve or get married or whatnot and not necessarily be locked in.
Yeah but the whole syllabus and the only thing that's stopping somebody from marrying is that it was
the Jesuit requirement to for celibacy and that came from the university systems at the time
where if you wanted to be a teacher or worker or professor in the university you had to be
celibate in order to get access to that the the Jesuits in forced celibacy and their
members and then that became basically the doctor it also was very convenient for property
and all the rest of it but there is basically no requirement in the entire history of the church
it's only a relatively recent phenomenon that's a piece of priesthood not being able to marry
here in that in the Netherlands there are priests are still allowed to be married so
well it's I think it's a failing of the church it's if you're going to be offering advice to
somebody if you if you were going to a mental counselor right and you wanted to talk about
child issues and I see that when I'm going around to non-mental counselor say I'm going around to
to somebody who's dealing with issues with but kids teachers basically say teachers say you
go to a teacher and you talk about issues with the kids the teachers who have kids themselves
are more glued in to your experiences than the teachers who are fresh out of the college
and basically have no kids not saying that everybody should have kids it would be a terrible
world if we were all the same but there are instances where help yeah well one of the interesting
science fiction books is series rather it was by a Polish person who was um he does it basically
can out get Yankees in King Arthur's court but he does it based around the muggle invasion of
Poland and somebody from modern Poland going back to ancient Poland basically modernizing the
country and giving them some defense against the muggle hordes having other things but the deal is
so what's this called oh look it up for a little shout out for his name is Frankowski I think
it's a whole series high tech night radiant warrior there's a whole bunch of them
large comrades lady are three off the top but the deal is but the deal is that he he goes back to
Poland in the time when uh the before the celibacy um edicts were we're in the Polish area
where while the church was still busy rewriting history like oh you are married priest well
if we enforce these new regulations you would never wear merit crap room etc but it was it it was an
interesting um take on history it'll be all for now ski then conditionals are you married now
but yeah we're five minutes away from New Zealand and clattu is not joining us apparently
nor is McNaloo all the regulars on the wetness denied dnd thing not saying an ugly just very
disappointed well friends for all Kiwis yes somebody had a little Kiwis sticker on a vehicle here
and they were surprised that an American knew what what that meant it's called a buzzer it's not
a microphone it's a buzzer what does that got to do with anything well I've been looking for the
I've got a little buzzer here and I'm using this as an opportunity to sort out my component trays
pitch in all boxes you know those things and I knew I had them somewhere but I couldn't find them
but now I have them there we go thanks sorry to interrupt the flow you were talking earlier
it's done even the same thing as a mouthhouse or is that the same thing as a bathroom
don't use the nosehouse yet okay in Australia in terms right one of the things that they
modernized in my grandmother's home in Maine was putting in in flesh toilets and a bathroom
in the main part of the house but the most interesting thing about it was that there there was
a basically servants wing the farmhouse was originally built for a judge
and it was a pretty good size farm but the outhouse that was the original bathroom
including where the tub was was out at the end of a long wing and it was a two level of
fare there was on the upper level was the outhouse for the main house and down below there was
a garage like thing that was served as a wood shed and it had its own level of the outhouse
so you don't want to be sitting at the bottom level when somebody's at the top level
well things were were made to align a prop misaligned appropriately but it was always something
that the family raised there was you know had at a little fun with oh I'm sure but also
it was I mean they had water pipe in but out in the the door yard there there was also a
picture pump you had to prime and where water was gotten for the chickens and some of the
livestock that was down on the lower floor I still dream about that place yeah funny how
pump and mortar and bringing it to far distant places where animals are
burns old in your memory speaking from experience here well they had a large dairy barn
that it was standing until a few years ago a wooden structure with a roof that isn't
regularly repaired as a as a limited lifetime that's history but as a kid I was up there
you know and I shoveled some manure and I plugged a and it was an amazing experience because
my mother's family's farm was a milk can situation milking into cans or into a big
container that would be poured into a milk can filtered whatever water didn't fall well my
father's was at least back in the day when it was still a dairy it had bulk it had it didn't
have a milking parlor I mean it was still milking at the stalls in the lower level of the barn
but it was a fairly modern affair with with bulk milk storage and whatnot and you know
the silver truck coming to empty the bulk tank every so often also in my grandfather was alive
his farm was a loose hay operation some of the equipment there I've seen including a
loose hay hay wane loader that was an interesting piece of equipment that I've seen in
some honest video when you say no failed you put it straight into the hay shed just as
hey put into the wagon as hey yeah forked on forked off sling
into the hay mow using a big gas so well they call it a hay fork but hay fork doesn't see
too prong often guess also what if you want to go with the hell out and thankfully we only did
that a few times we did a few times when when I was really really young to remember we were even
doing it with a nice and cart at one stage and then I remember 20 diesel been used to bring it in
that we borrowed from somebody yeah well I remember it being done with an old pickup truck at one time
yeah and I remember somebody got the bright idea to try to train an ox that they were
at on the property for some reason and they put the oak on it and a rope and somebody had a bit of
a sleigh ride on the wet hay on the wet grass rather when the ox decided it didn't like
having this thing around its neck was it not trained to it I don't think they started
young enough to really break it in that's gonna be a problem there's a place an open air museum
that we go to they they actually have B&B's you know modern B&B's disguises as all B&B
because it's kind of nice and they have they're training to oxen from like from calves
they're all well so and that guy is stuck in tune yes on Facebook as I'll see if I can I can find it
well one of the interesting things up in Maine near near where I used to go is that they actually had
some Scottish cattle the long furred one oh my grandfather's wrong went was converted to black
angus after they stopped dairy trucking down the sleigh well back along when I was a kid I saw
somebody with a horse and a ground driven sickle bar a motor around here they used them for
sickle bar a motor what's that the big long one that folds down with the thing at the end yeah
basically behaves like a huge edge trimmer yeah I've changed blades and those things regular
rivets take out the rivets trying to lure it out put the rivets back in didn't have a rivet
talk to do it with a nail oh my god yes well some of those stuff that farmers do are remember as a
kid seeing a cousin who is famous for building these tractors out of basically drunk he was
drilling through angular and with a large egg beater drill yeah yeah well his house was up on the hill
and I don't believe that they had electricity to it or at least they didn't have any access to the
yard he was one of those guys who everybody sort of teased him about picking the dump but when
they needed a random part they would oh you know farmer as we'll get now it's really well
we'll get you stuff done and an amazing way there they are oh my god they've grown I'm looking
at the books though auction they have their own Facebook page because I can't find it well
I've got to step away for a moment I'll be right back don't leave me na na na na na na no go that's fine
I second James that's it I second James there we are okay yes they've got their own websites
are their own Facebook page the lens that I go to homie to fill out your show notes I hope you
appreciate this I do indeed all I got from that entire conversation was two books that were in
there she on farming that's how I got into IT anything is better than farming that was my
personal view on the matter that seems about right slavery you know it's I don't mean to
degrade in slave persons there but really you begin to get an understanding of what it is like to be
put into forced labor first I barely even like working in the yard
yeah moving is about my extent of what I like to do and my wife will take care of the garden
and stuff and she'll go out there and post a weeds and a god bless her because I hate it I don't
like doing it at all my wife loves gardening but yeah it's just farming you need to be constantly
constantly on the ball constantly working constantly every day even though you're not doing
a lot you need to be constantly on your guard as soon as you're if you're sick or anything this
sense it and we'll try and take advantage of the animals like and then as far as everything else is
concerned just I mean we should be so glad that we're living in the economies that we are that
you can go down to the store and just buy stuff have I do I'm gonna grow your crap on then if
there's this bad weather then you're screwed up although yeah yeah enough about that yes so
when are you doing your amateur radio exam never come on well my thing is I don't know who I'm
gonna talk to yeah it's not about talking to anybody I've got my ticket now and I've not even
pressed I don't own a radio well I do but it's one of those both things that since been deemed
illegal I've never talked anybody to be honest of no interest in talking to anybody don't see
the point because you know you can go on mobile here and talk to people all over the world what
a do you see the point in though is that's from a hacking point of view it was a huge big gap
in my in my knowledge that has been filled in how is wife I work how does that click on click on work
how does your bluetooth work as your headphones if you if something's acting up is this is the signal
or is it something in your headphones see what I mean yeah and for me there's a lot of things
like that I mean I need to sit down and go through a lot of electrical types of them and soldering
him and yeah radio radio frequencies and waves is very interesting as well and the thing about
that is is that it's a standardized course more or less around the world with the haric thing
that we're doing on HPR just did you know about that what did the course is standardized yeah there's
on HPR I'm doing a course so this within Europe there's this harmonized European
I'm sure radio exam and they final they they they probably the U.S. what's this it's the top level
so as an amateur a full license basically that's called it full license so it means that if
I get a full license here in the Netherlands I could go to England and use my calls I'm there for
three months with a with a slash UK in front of it or whatever cool and they can operate here
but if you move between countries then you can just apply for a license and they recognize
your haric certificates so each of the individual countries have got a certificate and then
if that's recognized by the haric thing then you can just get haric certificate and then
hand it to the other ones and then you can get a call sign over there as well so I've ended up now
with a UK call sign and a Dutch call sign and I could basically because that's just the way
we're about but the U.S. also signs up first so if the U.S. you can also study first so the idea
of the haric exam is and my I'm interested on HPR is that if you do it then you're more or less
covered for the past whatever it is exam that's going to be in your local area yes they're going to
be things that you're going to need to know in your local area that don't apply in somewhere else
so for example in Ireland inland waterways are considered to be maritime operation whereas
in the UK inland waterways are considered to be just mobile operations you know small
sorts of things like that and you will get examined on that but that's you know read the thing
if you read the license conditions a few times and you should be okay but for all the other
stuff what it does is if you've got a amateur radio ticket it means that the basis everybody has a
basis level and electronics a basis level in understanding a lot of things like safety like
radio propagation how to build a radio how to toast or for us and that's quite high actually it's
it's interestingly high you know you wouldn't you wouldn't be shocked to describe somebody you
know how in a telescope or something like that because you should have come across it in your
example so it gives you a nice good foundation on various different subjects not all of which is
Matt's based quite a lot of it is just health and safety and stuff so it gives you a really good
understanding of bits and pieces filled up an awful lot of gaps for me that I had in my education
cool yeah finally back to the hurricane so they've published a syllabus of stuff that you're
supposed to know in order to if you're doing an exam if you're a country ex so I create a new country
and I sign up for the hurricane exam then it needs to cover all these things in order to be
recognized and vice versa so why not so then I'm using that as like a request for shows that whole
thing like resistors what's a resistor it's this health and safety how to put the ladder against
all that sort of stuff so all these topics for shows it's an open series anybody can help out
and that will be on the website with all the all the various different topics and then
right beside that we can have a link to all the shows so if you're studying for your exam
don't know about something you click in us and then you'll get it very cool yes yes yes yeah my my
dad always wanted to be at him but never drop the hammer so in a weird way me sorting out
my buzzer's here on the desk is related to that I need to go upstairs aid to get coffee and be
to check and see how my daughter is going away for a few days how she's getting them back in
this all right there's a fellow I could chat with until Valentine's Day at late yep
so if you don't think with your pies not a heck of a lot I'm I was more or less tunneling
and into a couple of the worst cluttered rooms saving the pie stuff for later and I made order
I made order a high-quality drive to go with the the desktop drive for for my pie sir cool
now was your plans for the pie 400 to be more like your client a pie of 400 is going to be
yes Swiss Army knife that's why it may run Android some time
and you checked out any of those uh the Android things to try to get um kiddo work it I'm told that
under play on when it's the window's client will run did you ever download that version of
of macula Linux that had uh had the ability to install Android APK's I have not but some stuff
has just been slipping you know oh I got you slipping under under everything especially lately
yeah I need to my I got a pie four four gigabyte that I had that I was actually running a while ago
as a way to play video games on upstairs in the living room and shortly after I got the
thing set up I was able to they called steaming link so I was able to play steams
where the game originated down here on one of the laptops and it would stream it up to the living room
shortly after I got it all set up my time to be able to play games just got really short
I don't know why whatever reason just I had less time to uh the play games so it just set up there
and now I'm trying to figure out what to use the pie four four is I'm not really using
to put that anymore and that's I got a nice streaming server for HDR no that well that
without one of my options was to try to get diapy on there and then put if it used it as like a
small desktop and put mumble on it and then use diapy to install because diapy will install
um ice cast and dark ice the problem is well I have diapy dark ice set up on the other regular
raspberry pie and I would have to street get something to the dark ice to get to it so I was like
alright I'll just use the pie four set up a small desktop on it install mumble put it
install uh the dark ice mumble and ice cast and I'll have it all on the um the raspberry pie four
and do that and um I kept them downloading an image from uh diapy four of the raspberry pie four
and there was I would have uh used etcher to put it on the SD card and I kept them getting an error
some error but because it would do it would do the installation and then with that etcher does the
installation and then it does a uh like a quality check on it when it did the quality check it
this uh kept them giving me an error and everything that that came from diapy kept them
thrown up an error so I don't know what the issue was with that but um so I wasn't able to put it
under there but I had a laptop which I had uh initially uh I had thrown a version of uh with jarro
kde on to that idea was to try to get it set up as the streaming server but um didn't and then it
would back to being so now I have uh my jarro kde with uh mumble ice cast and but on and it's working
um so pretty but uh don't forget raspberry pie imageer yes I use it as etcher or dd
just saying that raspberry pie imageer will go do most of the stuff that etcher will
yeah etcher is basically just like a front-end for dd
and archer 72 it says his next task was recording vinyl to pi four
there's supposed to be some good uh I mean i quality dacks available for the pie so
uh if you want to go to hat route you can you can get some pretty good stuff
well i went with the uh from a pie four i went with the uh fanless case
we're so it's the uh all metal case so i didn't have to deal with a fan so uh the hats would be
hard to get on at least in its current form that apparently archer 72 is coming out with an episode
soon about his uh recording vinyl to a pie four okay hashtagel initial well i've got a bunch of vinyl
here but i'd never bought a turn table to take it off also some of my vinyl is uh it's pretty
beat up ripped a bunch of my dd these a while back and i put it on my uh hard drive that i use for
that work storage and to be honest i just don't listen to music as much as i used to
big bucks of vinyl from my my father passed away so i've all his so he's your cassettes and
audio because that's to digitize in the new year that's on my list i think my house was
purged of cassettes in VHS a while back yeah that's all mine and i got rid of all my kits
some to rebuild it again well i've got a couple of very good cassettes player recorders
uh leave her components may may have to see if i can get uh bring them in to down and see if i can
get any money for it's gonna be press fall save on the show notes my um sister was
jewell over shortly to take my daughter away for the weekend so i will be disappearing at that point
all right sure i got to get going and a few minutes anyway is the kids are up and
they're getting restless so get a fix up breakfast get some more coffee and me yep coffee
coffee is 10 yeah on question do you guys the do you listen to the podcast yes but i'm way behind
okay put it way behind what are the uh do you have any thoughts about the direction that the podcast
is going well get a whole lot of feedback like nobody really emails us anything so i'm just
kind of throwing it out there anybody who may be listening yep i'll put that in the show notes
not sure do you like it to our episode and not one because that's a good way to ask for feedback
watch a ask for feedback and roll and show will be a good way to get feedback
okay now that said as i'm so far behind i won't probably won't hear until i'm telling back
work and again i lost so much podcast this thing time due to my commute amazing how
not having to travel three hours a day cut stone your podcast listening experience yeah yeah
yeah i my commute hasn't changed but all of a sudden i started to go back to some audio books
and that kind of killed like the whole month of December yeah and there's a lot more people
podcast you know it's even becoming a thing i keep my podcast list is still pretty low personally
it's pretty much uh you random tilts meant cast a spr uh potnut stuff when
uh broken podcast i was just the since since we've been using jitzie live i feel like some
of the conversation has been turning into uh discussing talking about what we see as jitzie yeah
you're really spoiled you're really spoileders well you don't we don't put out a video
stream but uh we're using on jitzie because um it makes set up a uh jitzie server so
we're all connected through jitzie we have the part at the uh we do during the
the pre show which then again gets lumped onto the end uh tilt style uh where we do we pick a movie
and we all watch the movie because we all we every show we spends like a good time before the show
talking about uh different movies and shows that we've been watching recently so uh Danny come up with
the idea of why don't we just create a giant list of tech related movies and we pick a movie
randomly pick a movie from the list and we all watch it and then the next week during the pre show
we talk about the uh the movie uh so we've started doing that and like i said we we've introduced
jitzie so there's a lot of conversation you know we we can see a lot of each other and i'm like
sure how that affects the podcast itself so if you ever get around to it i feel like a
little community and i'll be back put a put that into the show notes i need to my guest
surprise so i need to nipple so i'll be quiet for a while touch a lady i'll talk to there uh yeah
i gotta pop out and uh i gotta get the kids from breakfast i'll be right back oh down the floor
thank you sir well pine coffee i've breakfast at champions just setting up the show notes
on my machines to have trouble finding it not really once i get the hbr site
and happy new year to fiji small regions of Russia and seven more
hello Tony hello Ken how are you can you hear me
uh i don't know if Ken is here i can hear you oh sorry i thought you was Ken he's that honky
no this is net minor oh net minor hi net minor you can hear me okay though
yes now that's where you're calling from you have a lovely answer
here i'm from blackpool in the UK it's uh Tony Tony H from the uh well x minkaster host
and uh distra hoppers digest i don't know whether you listen to any of those shows
i'm really behind on my podcast i must say yeah i just thought a bobina remember that it was
on i thought a bobina and see what was happening you're you're up early because it's uh
what is it about her past seven year time yeah um did you say blackpool
blackpool in the UK on the west coast of the UK yeah um i heard evidence of
vacation destiny it is yeah it's um yeah it's been a vacation place for over a hundred
years it goes back to Victorian times well i'm south of Boston and there's lots of places
like that um including a place called ntaskit where you have a roller coaster and carnival
types setup oh yeah we've got a lot hearing blackpool well i think that's what reminded me of
this uh this area of blackpool and some of your other coast alert yeah you're clipping a bit
to net minor don't know uh well uh were the are you on push to talk yeah i am on push to talk
uh it's a key combination yeah yeah yeah it was just clipping that was all okay
i just have to press a little earlier and leave it a little longer i guess yeah so what's happening
over there today anything pretty quiet no snow so far to speak up uh would not add any of that yet
in practice very mild at the moment over here hi everybody we're rushing to about to go away
and she wants to wish everybody uh hello happy to hear happy to be here see you later
don't leave you back in the middle all right kids can't see in a bit as i've said before
there is a gentleman i could speak from now to valentines he's a nice guy can
and i'd guess he has a lovely daughter no i don't have a never i'm never made family
uh i've only ever met can uh never made family or it don't recall me in a many way
well i assume that a gentleman's daughter is lovely yeah that way
also being on the other side of the pond is a safe distance even for the most jealous uh pop up
yeah yeah definitely so what are your plans for the day
uh well i thought a bob in here for a little while i've got a new PC that i got just before
Christmas i'm going to do a bit more exploring with that and uh do a bit of modally i restore
die cast um model cars so i'll probably do a little bit of that later
i'll let sounds like a bit of work some of them are pretty detailed um yeah i tend to go
for the smaller ones the the matchbox the 164 scale um i i i i i have got a few dinky and
quirky so i'm going to ever go at them as well but so far i've mainly done the smaller ones
well still i had a bunch of matchbox as a kid and restoring them and detailing them that's
fine work uh yeah i don't i don't do an awful lot of detail in i tend to go more with the way
the factory used to produce them so if they didn't have a lot of detail on them in the first place
which most of them didn't uh i don't tend to put it on for a lot of detail on i did a short
series for HPR about it a while back so what kind of uh what do you do on them uh pull them apart
strip the paint off the metal parts uh polish up if they've got windscreens the plastic windscreens
if they're scratched and stuff polish them up um clean all the plastics clean the wheels and the
axles and then reassemble them um like a sack i can't remember when it was let me have a look
it's a while ago it's going to HPR what's welcome Dave hello everybody hi Dave
I thought it's seen you're going there popping i'll be just listening to the discussion
yeah you're hunting your uh your episodes on HPR yeah just i'm just looking for where they
where they've got to um i can't remember where the it was last year or the year before
oh do you know i can't remember either strange had these
these years merch no it was last year it was last year yeah episodes uh 3073 to uh yeah 3073 was
to start of it and then 308 3098 3109 3124 and 3136 you can i know there's a naughty naughty boy this year
i haven't done it in their episode it's but i managed to get it in straight after the new year
yeah yeah yeah that's good it's uh it's been a funny year i mean everybody's been messed up in
various ways of thing yeah i just got sidetracked with other podcasts and stuff uh with
ink cast and uh distra hoppers all right that's right you you said that uh i heard your show yet
you you've there's a show in the pipe we do isn't that yeah we we we we yeah i've got i've got a show
coming up permanently 30 is it fourth of January oh and i just i mentioned it in that
mm yeah i i process your notes and i think you wrote everything in your notes that you
you're probably gonna say or a lot of it so although we actually read that
yeah for it for a change i actually wrote the notes after a recorded the show
oh well that's good yeah yeah the notes are a little bit more for yeah bit more of the
boasts than the yeah actual show yeah i started in it on 8 to be out by writing
myself scripts and now it's in back to it and it was dreadful you know you can tell
this guy's reading it you know it's just been more natural i mean some people can read
naturally of course but i can't when it when i'm doing things like the matchbox ones i do
do a script for that because yeah obviously you're telling people how to do things yeah i
now write a sort of a little list of the the main points and then just to work around though
is you know the bit yeah that's good chat and you know it's uh i used to work in the university
with sometimes I had to give presentations and the classic way was to make a slide deck that
you then put up and there were bullet points on it and and i found that i could just go through
the bullet points remember what i was thinking when i wrote a product and then say you know
blah blah blah blah about whatever it was you know it seemed seemed more interesting than just
reading some of some notes anyway yeah well it in me upcoming show i'm i briefly mentioned my
new computer but i've managed to yeah i got i got i got i'll me very very first Linux computer
didn't have to pay the windows tax that's wonderful yeah absolutely not normally pay it anyway
because normally most of my kids sitting down so it's already been paid by the same way but this
was the first i've only won that little twice i think once buying a triple EPC i said to the
people selling it to me that i wanted the windows discount and and that was when they would
be in sold with Linux on it so they said well there's no windows tax anyway so they got um
that was very early days triple EPC i think but yeah i got the ASA
mm-hmm the other one was uh i won i don't know if you were there one a laptop at op camp
and that was like to be a little totally that was so was that it was entered oh yeah i was going
to buy me PC from entro where originally but the one i wanted was out of stock so someone
suggested going to have a look at Juno right and i've got one of these little micro PCs
yeah yeah i saw you notes like a size i don't i'm on my head of the game as far as i think the
so you bought over to Juno and over a lot i'd certainly did yeah yeah yeah it's quite tempting
you have to say so yeah good point so thank you very much yeah but yeah i know it's a cracking
machine uh i think quite spec it out to the the top spec because that would probably cost me another
15 of the quid but but you know one terabyte and uh NVMe and uh and 32 giga ram is probably
ample for are you so that is pretty impressive yeah yeah it should be should be good yeah it's
quite quite a beast of the machine from what i saw from your uh your notes yeah yeah they they
seem they seem quite tempting i have to say but my i i got a build your own machine i did in 2013
and i seven but i sevens in those days are a lot more we do than anything available these days so
uh so yeah time for it well i've gone yeah i've gone from a generation three i said
so back nine years old yeah yeah somewhat like that uh to this and i told you what
it flies yeah you think you're already on some decent kit you think and then suddenly you
upgrade to the least kit you were wow yeah it's it's so easy to slip behind isn't it
i'm not realizing what you're missing so yeah good good for you yeah it's uh it's going to make
audio editing for the uh this raw hop is really easy yeah yeah yeah that's that's quite an important
factor isn't it yeah it's so i i think well i won't use the power in these things but um i
tried to use my um enterware laptop for a jitsy meeting um there we have a sort of
i think called pod crawl that uh is to go to physically where you're going me up with other
podcasts people interested we used to go to Glasgow for that but now we're doing virtual ones
over jitsy and by the time yeah yeah yeah you should come along it's uh there was one
18th of December i think it's going to be another one in the in the new year so i'm not sure
when exactly but uh yeah they're quite good things just to get together in chat and uh and whatever
but my i3 enterware where it looked at 12 people on this jitsy called no way jump
it just wouldn't do it no no no it just wouldn't it's uh and i thought it was banned with
or something but i've just had uh fiber installed here so i should get you know on a good day
get a gigabit so wow yeah yeah who you with for your uh broadband there's a company called
city fiber are they in your part of the world i think they're they may be coming here but they're
not here yeah they're they're going all over the country um i know they're in place like new
castle possibly Manchester i'm not sure but uh yeah Edinburgh was quite high on the list so uh
over here digging trenches a few if it's not really how much do you have to pay for that but
30 but 32 pounds of money what for gigabit no no that doesn't give you gigabit that i've
went with the 300 megabits do you write but if it does no contention you can often
check it and you're getting 100 you know you're getting a gigabit and you can the same speed up
and down a lot of the time which is so wow when you're into podcast you know the days of
whatever it was on the DSL like one and a megabits well i get 10 or i get 10 or i know
when we record this uh when i used to record mint cast when i was uploading me audio to drive
it could take up to 10 minutes but with that kind of kind of speed if you if you've got 300
or it'd be there in the flash absolutely absolutely i haven't actually done a show since i've
got it in so i've got to do something quick so i can see i've lost it would it's nice
truth yeah see can and you can that would that would trigger can absolutely and the song
you know he comes doing a show you will it here say that word say it three times looking
in a mirror and you'll be finished yeah so yeah i'm looking forward to trying
high speed uploads so yeah it's really good i've got one of six with it as well
a nice router so the wireless in the house is now amazing compared to what it was on
crappy old you know ordinary high street style routers and stuff so yeah wow i expect
difference so what used to happen was my kids would would arrive with multiple phones laptops
and iPads and stuff and then all of a sudden wireless would go out because i think you know
it just did a number of connections was was was was was draining the TP link or whatever it was
to it to it's up most which i do find surprising but it seems to be the case but this one i've
got the wireless six one is that they reckon you know you're looking at 50 connections or something
like that it should be able to get through it don't know the precise number but certainly talk
about quite a lot i just i just left this is his mobile instance yeah
bobs in the note all the time so how are you Ken you okay oh my i'm doing okay yeah
yeah you've got any new restrictions there because i know constantly i didn't luck down
you're in log camp yeah we're in lockdown for two weeks we're already in lockdown for two weeks yeah
oh yeah oh well i just wanted to bring this up something that i heard on youtube
uh our country has decided to reduce the required isolation times and quarantines for
covid if you're not symptomatic yeah i think you've still got the wear a mask after the five
day so i'm yeah so wearing a mask is a is a fairly standard thing for a lot of stuff
uh a lot of play a lot of businesses are requiring it yeah and one of the things that
worries me is our public transportation requires it and if your mask fails you could be stranded
here they um public transport will give you a mask if you don't have them yeah well i don't have
these uh my daughter works as a training conductor training conductor you see what i did there they're
and they give up masks or they find you they charge you they charge you in black pool if you
buy one on the tram because you're quite yeah that's probably normal should do that but yeah
i think the people that are up against is uh we can find you or we can give you one yeah i walk around
with them with about three or four on the pocket actually just yeah i do it in a plastic bag to
keep them fairly fairly good in it so i wear the pack of it and just sort of be in such a cause
cause i always forget to bring them yep me too got something in my car or everywhere it's just
you know i just as always a mask nearby i was reading a guardian article today saying
the the general ones that most people wear aren't that effective for preventing the virus
though and the ones we should be using uh the government uh and not advising us to use when
they should be yeah that they want to uh minted supplies for your so i kind of get that yeah
i can understand that but you can buy them um and apparently these plenty of capacity uh now
cause cause they've ramped up with um i went on eBay today and i was having a look at these masks
and you can buy them for about they are more expensive than the the little floppy ones but
you can buy them for about a quidditch don't manage you know in Austria
but they they they are too powerful yeah yeah the nine five nine or nine five yeah so as i says he'd
often to be honest i've had enough of covid it may back off as far as i'm concerned
i probably ain't gonna resist that that's how fast uh here about uh the the mirrors
uh this is a lot the regional good ones are saying look dudes we need we need a better plan
we need to uh shorten the summer holidays and uh increase the Christmas holidays so that there's
good luck down the winter and then in summer it's open so that's what we got to do
match your um particularly happy with that but there you go it is a really
living bit luck down i believe they call them yeah you can work at home no can't yeah
yeah although they had there was a period where there were requiring us to come in three days
week not sure how i felt about that was able to do a lot more podcast i've got a three-hour
commuse of a day so yeah that's uh it's a lot more time wow so could you live you don't
you live in Amsterdam you knew i live outside of between Amsterdam and you tricked
right kind of you told i'm between Amsterdam you tricked an Amos force that's kind of
where uh Hilverson it was marked on the dials of the old radio stations close to them isn't
yeah i know he's the on the map and i don't think yeah yeah i don't think i've seen that on the
row over idea station and they don't think on the old one and they don't break yet and the
way that's why i'm here because the first job i got was with a satellite broadcaster who had
their uh station twelve uh satellite links and they're all based here because of the media
parkup and the radio is based here because it's and i'm doing massive air quotes here high
elevation in the Netherlands and about a hundred four above sea level then no i'm not even
that like above sea level but it's central so that's where the broadcast a lot of the media
from and then there was uh microwave tower system for emergency communications if ever
a nuclear bomb hit and in one of those towers was where i worked for two or three years
right before switching to work in Amos for them so you know what was what like trying to say
the highest point in Kansas yeah very much yes Kansas does have a field similar except
when i went to canvas Kansas Kansas was the first place i went to visit in the state actually
was a eye opener in many ways i just realized uh who could show today is the three and a half
thousand show no it's three thousand seven hundred that show yeah now do we have someone to greet
is it even sorry because i can't add do we have someone to greet at the hour we do
ah yes and it's Melbourne Sydney, Canberra and seven more welcome Australia not all of Australia
a bit of Australia and in a half an hour more people are going no yeah half an hour why what
did you that that's wish you the speeder 64 indeed half an hour from animal and by the way
give my best to your lovely family i'm presuming that's for everybody not just me
you had the young lady so i figured that that would put you ahead of the game yeah uh she's going
off to her to her aunt today and so we'll have the other two on Patrick will more or less be
hijacking this in the night when everybody is asleep so that's fine yeah yeah i'm just looking
at tell you tell me again yes i will and Sydney's just celebrate you and just throw this
and speakers give me a second somebody say something hi she requires wishes to Sydney
what's up oh yon did tell me and he's the last and i'm not perfect for him so yeah push
go beyond the whole night pretty much yeah yeah he's been looking forward to all year and i've
got mumble as well so i can annoy him the whole night yes we need more of the
staff so you need more what can we get over we need more of the staff side on the podcast thing
black forms so you've we've recorded the show together half and we still need to
listen to us in the holidays make sure it was okay okay thanks for a minute we love that
yeah it's good show actually tell people what it's about uh stations i want you to find
none of them in the Netherlands the tech around a station on how it works and it's the how it works
part that we're having a little bit nervous about cause we don't want to be releasing any
information that wouldn't be public nice in my future career jeopardizing my future career yes
let's the words we're looking very yeah sometimes i forget but don't just not your nails
like which jeopardizing my future career right okay so yes that's it i'm no project this
evening so you should be back you will hear people shouting in the background
and him gone no stop stop it's on the it has to be you because it'll be a four in the morning
part for queen please go to sleep okay i look forward to hearing i so we're we're sorting
those we're just hurry up so how are we doing with the eater patterns into be much
added to it in the past last few hours no i was just looking at that actually yeah it's it's
so because otherwise for young people have to listen back to everything and make his own notes as
he goes so yeah and he's got enough work to prepare to turn this recording into shows as it is so
uh are you designing his divs ironing for everybody else those are just me now you're all
the uproar cop there for me do the break up for anybody else they didn't break that for me
now you're breaking up so it's on my side this is happening okay very study yes let me just
check and see what else going on that so we recorded the community news yesterday and uh for
Ken my audio when really really bad it was very study as well well you were on you were in the
background listening yeah when i turned off the audio it's uh when it's turned off the recorder
it's stopped being a problem all right yeah strange hey Tony hey Ken hi Joe hi Jill
hello sir hey net how's it going it's going i hope miss short is doing all right
oh yeah she's still asleep i'm not surprised what is it seven o'clock you're up here right yeah
i'm getting ready for work work yeah you easy even you got to work
to work christmas you too and now be wife so work today she works in the hospital
okay had to work thanks giving too think i'm gonna take the next few holidays off
i was actually off today but i've already done my work today
my son just got a new job in November and he was shocked to find that minty had to work
over christmas Eve and New Year's Eve and all that stuff so he's got no holiday allocation
because he says you know it's a pro rata thing but so he's working today what does he do he's got
job at um that West Bank he's a AI he did an MSC in computer science with specialising in AI
so i would be recruited into right chat box so one of these horrible things that that you
think might possibly be human and then you realize it definitely is not cool yeah yeah but that's
the future isn't it is unfortunately anybody else having a problem staying connected
uh yeah i haven't dropped out sometimes yeah i dropped out so i could fix this i love this year
no mine mine so far fingers crossed touch wood mine's been pretty stable
yeah same here my internet stable a hard wired DSL yeah i'm on a wired connection
on a wired connection on this machine on a wired charger the the ping was pretty bad too at uh
126 yeah that's also kicked the by low key and i'm on the wired fiber connection so
now mine's not fiber but it's still you know 300 mbps that's been running my channel
but that's pretty good i'm on old fashioned DSL and otherwise known as digital slow link
everyone can you hear me yeah hi hello i switched my phone and see if i saw this problem
okay yeah how's everyone doing i just got up myself
well i've been up for many hours because it's just just past lunch time it's 10 past one in
the afternoon here in the UK and it's probably 10 past two uh Ken's time yeah for it is much
and like Joe i just got up about 10 minutes ago yeah yeah i got it yeah it's about 2 p.m or
and i was up at 7 because of some on cold duty of course needed to handle this morning
which was not fun at all oh dear hey that's still better than a 3 mbps yeah the problem was
that i when i went to sleep yesterday at 1 a 30 a.m i realized the problem and i was too tired
to do anything about it and i should add so i feel a lot gilking out this morning
no dear but i was up doing some research and so on and figuring things out and then i
what oh i need to go to bed now because i'm too tired to think and then i just watched my
look that my email i realized okay everything is bad i can't do anything now because i'm too
tired so i should not log in as an administrator and try to fix things because i would screw things up
just thinking about that you didn't need that feeling of dread
oh dear hi i'm pretty fine now where you're calling from Claudia i'm in the sunny city of
my any florida cool i'm in the bush you was cool i'm tired of it i'm in the box the
area yeah i've been actually i've been off last week and this week so i go back to work on
Monday so i work for the sisters in here so we get the holidays off just like the teachers do
so the back at school on Monday early yeah everybody goes back all right it's a public holiday here
in the UK on Monday oh well that that's enough of a reason for me to take it off there you go
you back Ken i am having lots of zalon issues oh dear could it be an overload of the server
or is it just connection issues could be a me thing to be a me thing i will check no no
little machine yeah because i have a lot of time finishing as well i'm pretty sure it's a
server because i've already switched devices once and still haven't given problem and getting the
zalon's hmm where's the server base Ken still when the server was switched over during
year where did you say it was dull and scy-haven darkness i don't know who it's best all right i was
just wondering because like i say it's been stable so far for me yeah so far i haven't had any
issues i haven't heard you guys silent in at all now i'm wondering if it's an overload
cpu issue something like that you can't really handle something out what do you think
because some of us have problems not all of us yeah it's those dang internet tubes i tell you
oh this i just remembered my first uh unique experience it was a bsd on a pt
pt 1145 you remember which version bsd no i don't know version
um it was night tv's and the only mouse in the computer room had whiskers my t system put
put together from scrap i guess the system dry was a hasic size itty 80 megabyte yeah itty
megabyte and suddenly i was uh playing with some bsd yesterday i had a drive with
free psd on it that had been sitting in my shelf uh i had pulled it from uh i had pulled it from
another pc about eight months ago and i was said to myself well at some point i'm gonna upgrade
it to 13 and i said well and yet today's the day that was yesterday uh and i went ahead and did
it everything went smoothly upgraded 13 upgrade all packages only to find out that the wifi card
is not supported this uh it might only my only way to connect this to ethernet um apparently the
the driver for the ax uh 200 chipset that i have on my wifi card is not supported and may not
be supported until 14 um incidentally the open bsd uh project does support it so i was having
a talk with uh one of the guys who works on the uh on the intel wireless uh mastered on and he explained
why uh why the free bsd one the free bsd still doesn't support it it was kind of bonkers the
way they're doing it he says that it's the way they're doing it is similar to how and this
rapper used to work so when he mentioned that i was like oh god no i was gonna say oh i remember
the days of i'm using this rapper i was horrible i guess it was so i don't know why they're
implementing it that way but funos they they're better at this stuff than i am so maybe it'll work
i want to set up no man bsd on something reasonably fast i'm gonna give it a go in
boxes at some stage now i've got this new pc boxes uh runs um virtual machines as if they're
really not bad metal virtually i think i'm gonna have to check that out well you know Tony you
should record a show telling us about your new pc yeah it's in the works it's in the works
i can't do it until after a recording distra hoppers and talked about it on there that
i'd actually like to hear an episode about the bsd and the experience running it on that
PDP from that minor oh that was back that that was back uh 80s uh i was using i was on the internet
arpenet at the time using a primitive form of ethernet 12 chaos that there was a MIT only a bit
invention yeah i'm a sucker for all the the old the stories from from back in the day so
all right can what you think it sounds like an awesome episode to listen to let me see it let me
just pull up my artificial intelligence thingy here what do you think yep so it's like a good show
well i have very few remet memories from that especially uh they did have after remove
some of the imagery from uh the uh screen savers and login screens though it was scanned in images
from a gentleman's magazine and here i thought it was because of some sort of burning i think
the things had different kind of burning well even when i went to the AI lab they were
touting their new 886 video system and they were showing off a a interesting image actually though
the standard image to test image compression is a certain chunk of a scanned in playboy image
it's a uh facial shot interesting very always used the this image of a green frog
which to check for compression issues when we compress images like that well i understand that this
is this image is a fairly universal standard uh young lady wearing a hat uh and again it's
not even a full face shot but it but it was a standard that was available to everyone trying
every new compression back in a days of gifts and all of that. then uh and then cool the in
the Wikipedia link from Wikipedia will be in shows actually it was interesting working with the
night tv's which are basically hercules multi-headed hercules screens running on a pdp11
kind of flows well with uh the theme i've had this during this break i've been watching a lot of uh retro
computing shows and uh on youtube and actually was doing some stuff here with my my old
machines here at home uh trying to get everything set up so it it it it it off its well.
yeah well i've got a couple of dash boxes that i hope to get around to once i
once the smoke clear is with my getting this house ready for a sewage hookup. yeah most of the
stuff i have is Apple based with the exception of one uh computer but it is actually a Mac it's one
of the Mac clones from the mid-90s uh it's from motor roller the starmx4000 and that one i have
running uh BOS Pro Edition 5.03 well that sounds interesting um you may also want to keep track of
the high-coup project actually do i have high-coup running on an eppc 900 uh eppc 900 a
and i did actually record an hpr episode so check i can you can check that one off
thank you i've already did before this book i was some clearing my attic recently
it'd been a flood up there because UK houses have water tanks and their atics and um i have
up there a deck station but sure what model it is but it's one of the old backs hardware uh
workstation that you would keep on your desk or on the a desk or whatever um which i did use at
one point it was i did development or uh BMS software on it i was allowed to take it home from work
and then they said i don't bother to bring it back so that's that they're ever since that uh
it i have this idea of firing or trying to fire it i'll be probably be allowed bang when i do
but uh it uh it'd be really quite entertaining to to try yeah yeah yeah it's got stacks of disks
you know this huge big disks in that um uh the you pile on your desk and each one is one
gigabyte i think which was pretty impressive in those days um so yeah this was from in
nineteen late eight teeth maybe something like that so and this is still got a version of the
MS on it i don't know do i'm sure it would be interesting to anybody who uh i did a show
whenever i thought i don't know whether it's actually going to work when i ran it my electricity
build a massive in comparison to so it's not a thing to be used lately i definitely don't
figure that you know yeah i know it's it's a project i have to get to groups with it is
actually been pulled out from where it was and it's sort of stacked on the on the floor with cover
over the top of it um and uh my god it's heavy i had to get my daughter to to lift one into the
bonus i lifted the other my joy i'm fairly ancient so i don't lift things as well as i
used it but uh it is a ridiculously heavy thing yeah um definitely check it uh i'm sure your
attic is not as bad as where i had my 2GS stored which was in my dad's garage at the time
yeah and with it with the heat and the humidity from from Miami it just i mean it's it did
okay the only thing is that i noticed when i lifted the console uh after the box i was sitting on
it leaked some fluid so i think it's the from the power supply because i i checked the
the logic board yeah i checked the logic board and it seems to be fine but i have it here now
in in my apartment and it's just sitting there it's in a cool environment so i haven't really
done much much with it i'm gonna at some point have to open it up and see exactly what happened
yeah yeah that sounds like an interesting voyage maybe it's repairable though it's uh yeah yeah
my uh backstation is still in reasonable order the attic is sort of um enclosed you don't see the
rafters and stuff so it's got a floor and it's got uh it's not a proper dwelling room level but
but it's uh you shouldn't be too bad it probably has got it's got loads of dust on it but uh it's uh
and it's fairly uh good in such far as the humidity is concerned but only uh ripping it apart
or uh switching it on and hoping for the best it's gonna tell me yeah so long as you don't see
the magic smoker good yeah so as worried about it but the funny thing is that the uh star max
actually was in in that same garage um and it's done fairly well so i mean of course the star
max is a newer machine compared to the 2GS so i'm sure age also has a lot to do with it um the
quality of the components used at the time who knows uh but yeah i gotta i gotta take a look
at that i don't even want to turn around it's just there's the it's a pretty uh display model right
now yeah the one of the things about uh debt digital equipment corporation was that
at that stage in their lives they made some pretty robust hardware you know it's all very very
solid metal framed stuff and uh you know it's you know there's why it's heavy of course but it
it seems it's really built for lots of knocks and bangs and and a rough sort of environment so
it would be fascinating if it could actually be brought back to life i'm thinking maybe i should
donate it to a um to a uh computer museum i think there is one somewhere in Scotland but uh yeah
there's one in England and over it's a fair way away yeah i mean if you're not using it much
and i understand because of the power issues um you know the the consumption uh that would be something
yeah that would be something good to do i'd quite like to just see what the MS look like
because it's been so long since i've used it yeah the MS system now um i've been retired over
10 years now and i did use the VMS before i retired because we had a deck alpha which was used
it wasn't on support or anything i used to have to take the boards out of it every soft
and and blow them clean of crud uh the boards sort of disengage themselves from the back
playing from time to time but uh but yeah but i haven't used it for a for a long time
in in earnest it'd be quite nice to fire it up and just just do a sort of quick summary of
what that operating system would offer in comparison to what you get these days you know it was
it was pretty good in all sorts of ways but compared to unix and linix it was uh pretty
been in terms of text manipulation tools and stuff you know yeah the MS kind of always interested
me i know there's there's the uh there's open vms uh and i think just recently they allowed
once again to uh like allow people to download it just for educational personal purposes yes
i actually signed up for uh maybe domestic license or something i can't remember
where you could yeah you could download it from uh HP you know only um i think it's still supported
to some extent so see references to people using it and in very specific circumstances there were
a lot of machines out there that uh before deck went under and the alpha range was pretty good
it was quite quite innovative hardware as far as i understand yeah back in the day the the
alphas i even used that i was always wanted one yeah we got to the place i was working
um two quite big ones with the uh a raid array um with them and uh they yeah the one round vms
one round um vms uh the the deck udix thing all available at that time oh no no it was it was
after all tricks all tricks was on the mips base machines there was another thing which i think
was called vms access that is the term that comes to mind but i'm not quite sure what it was called
i memory's failing me this day yeah sex no no it wasn't that i'm probably confusing it there's
something outside of sex is generally apple stuff yeah speaking of that and i know you mentioned
the the weight of the uh the machine that you have Dave um being all metal yeah that i kind of
have a heavy machine here myself uh it's the uh one of the old machines is a dual 1.8 gigahertz
uh parmac you five the which i have running uh in unsupported port of devian so it's it's only
on on uh on Sid that's the only uh source tree that they have so yeah there's a lot of breakage
but it runs and it works like who yeah yes there's they don't make them lightly used to i
uh i just looked up i just looked up the unix on alphas and it was called true 64 unix
i think it had a different name before but there was a lot of renaming of stuff and that's maybe
that was the era when vms became open vms which was just because open was a cool thing to put
in front of stuff but true 64 unix was the thing we ran on our second alpha so uh so yeah we had
we had uh uh uh uh uh this is university so we had a lot of people who wanted to get access to uh
unix machine and didn't have anything on the desk or whatever and there was also quite a lot
people who wanted the uh vms service so yeah that was why we did that oh uh if you really want
to go back i did some work on a t-u 58 uh they've pdp 116 what was that tell me more
cartridge tape used as floppy replacement block replaceable cartridge tape over a 38.4 serial link
it had like an 885 as the controller and uh it was using rt 11 wow yeah that's going back
of it we put bad blocks at the end of each um channel so it wouldn't a file never over wrapped over
the uh the end of it uh it was a two channel tape and they didn't want it i want to have to have
the whole thing rewind to get to get to another chunk was building a couple of uh touchstone
interfaces for uh uh this was a company called perception technology which was producing uh touchstone
voice response systems you know the press one and get this and press two and get that yeah back
in the pdp and then it would have a voice response they would they would be canned answers that
that it would give and uh that's what it was on the user side on the computer side we made it look
like some random terminal or printer or something yeah yeah there's a lot of that sort of
things happened in those those time and I was a student in Manchester University um the computer
unit there was a regional computer center funded by government and uh so it had lots of resources
which were used by Manchester and other surrounding universities in the north of England and
um they did things like they had an ICL 1900 series machine with a paper tape punch and they
had another machine I think it was a cyber one of the the CDC machines which was regarded as a
giant by inframing those days and they wanted to transfer a data to it so they made the paper tape
interface talk to I think effectively a paper tape reader on the other end I don't have I never
saw physically how they did it but they were pretending to write a paper tape on one end and pretending
to read a paper tape on the other end to the shift day to a rant this was like mid-70s I think
yeah well I've worked with a big uh big cyber machine uh we were running either glass teletypes
or 300 pod uh decorators oh nice yeah the decorators are nice they were the ones into the
mate had a matrix head mate so they would get really neat thing that when you typed something
then the head would just move to the side so you could see what you just just uh typed yeah
alright is that also what was interesting two things we also had ATM3s which were glass
teletypes and people learned how to take off the little panel and set the ATM3s to 1200 pod
and we would sometimes steal this was at UMass Boston we would sometimes steal the line printer
port as a terminal port with the through the multiple terminal multiplexus so you can get 1200
but uh glass teletypes yes yes yes well people did that sort of thing in those days that sounds
really cool you should definitely do some shows on there's a right to upload something because these are
these agents also there was a uh the guide designed the deck writer L.A. 120 or whatever it was
there was an interface port or an accessory port on there the deck didn't use itself
well after deck this was a 300 pod basic printing unit well after he left deck this guy found
it a company that made in boards that you'd plug into that accessory port and they would give
your deck writer 1200 capability yeah also do you know the difference between a deck take drive
and an IBM 360 take drive I've looked at deck take drive quite a lot but I've never come across
an IBM so I don't know the answer to that well we had in building 20 they had the original uh
PDP 11 10 I mean PDP 10 uh from the air lab and it it came with a bunch of uh true IBM
tape drives you drop a digital tape drive off the back of a truck and you got you sweep it up
you drop an IBM tape drive off the back of a truck and you've patched the portal it just created
yeah I believe it I believe it yes if someone was shooting at me I would want to open the
back of an IBM tape drive and hide yeah yeah I missed tape drives actually I used a quite
enjoy I was I was the I was the system's manager at the the last my last job so I got to
blow the tape takes because the operator they we had permanently hired operators to do some of that stuff
occasionally they were busy so I would load tapes on the tape drives and stuff below and the way
that they worked is on sort of acts the way that they handled tape I always amazed me because
you basically just wound the tape and dropped the end of it into sort of throat of the mechanism
and then it did the rest because it it sort of blew the tape and then spooled it and pulled it
through the track and then brought it back around to the the uptake spool and then wound it
around that as well by blowing air in interesting ways and an off it went self-threading tape drives
or gift from heaven yep the opposite uh hell if you're hell well when when you get when
that self-threading tape drives that work are gifts from heaven I have seen them not work yes yes
where they they slip but you hear the vacuum starting up slips the end of the tape and it ties it
in the most wonderful knot and that's you you've now got to go and cut that tape back and
all the rest of one of the interesting book books that I have around here was a travel log done by
somebody around 1991 he was hired by a of the ISO to convert their standards to PDF format
evidently they were making their money by printing out huge numbers of standards books
that they would store in the basement and then they would sell about five copies a year and then
they would print next year's copies the which was quite lucrative for whoever the printer was
they didn't really care because it was European union or whatever stuff and they were taking
their money from the UN interesting thing he posted the standards which should have been
something that the ISO was supposed to put world wide on a sun server in Colorado and for a while
they were available by FTP or what have you on this sun server while he was going around the world
but he went around the world about a year and the ISO people told him to shut down the server
because the wrong sort of people were getting the information people in India and whatnot
they were getting it for free instead of paying through the notes also at this time probably the
last time you could actually see where this were the different links of the internet went so
when he went you know from California to Hawaii he would go to the university where
were different links were tied in and he went to Japan and he went to sing a poor and Hong Kong
Hong Kong had some serious betting power which is a bunch of PDF 11's in Vaxes because
horse racing was very serious it was like like the lottery today also in some of those countries
they had DSL not but they had what was it IDSN sort of DSL but the predecessor yep pay
phones you could just plug in in Singapore they weren't charging because they had so much bandwidth
that they had they weren't really charging for long distance or anything you could go to somebody's
place grab the phone and just make phone calls he was talking about you know then there was
the guy at Japan that was doing their their networking and stuff and various countries were
we're hooking up from anywhere from either tell it tell it type bought out tell it type lines to
occasional dial-up to floppy net all sorts of stuff a lot of the UCCP protocols were really
useful in places where the connections were really shitty also in Europe there was a lot of
stuff which had to use the ISO standard it's X25 in company and oh yes being there and
what everybody was doing was putting TCPIP in X25 packets and shipping and using the TCPIP
stack and just tunneling it through the X25 network that that they had to use for government
reviews and this was before TCPIP just flooded the world yep yep a lot I was working in universities in the
UK from I guess the late 70s onwards and during that the early time there was a inter
universities network which was based on the protocols on top of X25 they were all all the
universities had come up with their own protocols for a part transfer and job transfer interestingly
and you know mail etc etc all the addresses were backwards compared to what we do nowadays
and there were a few gateways there was a gateway at King's College in London I think where you could
send it an email using the universities email protocol and request something of the internet
of the app and then I guess it was and then you'd get it back as a series of emails with chunks
in that you could glue back together again so yeah but we there was they came a time I
to remember when it was it must have been sort of mid-80s or something where the whole of the academic
community switched from the so-called coloured book protocols to the TCPIP etc to the internet protocols
so that was that was quite an interesting transition because we were we were very green as
far as doing that sort of stuff we didn't understand have vulnerable SMTP mail was going to be
when we put it out there to the world etc etc as there's many stories that I think well
I've got books from the start of the arpanet I mean in my area was where the original
what the interface message processors what we would call a router today but the way that they
worked is that you would have brandx computer somebody would make an interface to that they would
talk to a honeywell mini computer and honeywell mini computer would talk to the arpanet over
uh 56k bar synchronous line that's actually quite similar to the way that the
internet universities networks grew up they started off as local ones between you know just a
few universities in an area and then spread out to the country where it became called Janet J
a NET during academic network it became but in the X-25 days every site that was connected to
it had an interface processor in the way you just mentioned that we call them nips an IP network
interface processors and we they were little standalone mini computers of their own and then
all of the machines on site connected to it using I think HDLC so I'm not sure we had not sure
how far the X-25 went certainly HDLC was under under X-25 but anyway I don't remember the details
of it but yeah and then you would have as you say different drivers or hope you like to put it
her vendor so we had ICL kit one place I worked and then there was a borrows machine that
had access to it and then I worked with VACs and I would be a mess systems which also had the necessary
to connect to this stuff and yeah that was that was the way the way we we worked as well
and the interconnects between the nips was dualized the end I think I think we had a
sent and receive ISDN connection which were provided that this is in the days when the UK
ran its university computing through a quango quads I autonomous what was it and the government
well I figured well it sounds like but they basically it's a sort of sub sub section of government
that was looking after money for computing in universities so that's to that meant that you know
you got an Alec you put forward a bid for an allocation you got n-million to buy whatever is
you you needed and they bonded us to standard those on specific equipment etc etc and that
will win now the window and became of the more complicated well the interesting thing after
the arpenet got up is that somebody turned these little mini computers from just interfacing
to a a mainframe or a larger computer or whatever they turned them into terminal concentrators
they were called a terminal interface processor tip and some of the universities ended up
finding it cheaper to rent time through the arpenet than to have their own private computer centers
I think you could call it almost an early version of the clock computing
yeah it's quite interesting also you you need to go to an and win wheeler site
garlic.com and and read some of the their postings these people were doing
virtual machines from the 360 days and these were experts that actually did
it and the networking in IBM was virtually all under the table and it was it used the VM 370
for its main core operating system because um MBS just couldn't hack it the fact that IBM was
running its entire business on a on a basically hacked network I always found a music
for some reason UK universities didn't like IBM very much it was very few IBM systems
I guess they didn't really fit in with the sort of student usage model or something
we were certainly we had IBM salesman on site quite often in my last job
but that was like sort of the 80s I think before we bought the Vax cluster and they were very,
very, very keen to sell us an IBM machine that I got blown out to Valencia in Spain where
without they were building that particular device equipment what it was not well that the thing
about the IBM is that they are and I've continued to be incredibly rigid yeah yeah I think
that our user community really hated them and that was part of what you know we had we had access
to to one for for to in order to do evaluations of various offerings and compared to what they
had been used to which was the ICL systems running an operating system called George III which
all the universities were running for for a while because I CL was a UK company um they they found
IBM was just so weird the sort of concept of virtual cards card readers and card writers and
all this stuff well yeah and and it all was very um it was very much a batch environment
regardless of how they tried to put lipstick on the pig making it interactive yeah yeah I saw
that too yeah we had I think we had access to an IBM machine remotely at that point
and we had a couple of IBM workstation E type things which looked amazing compared to what we
used to in the sort of mainframes we had access to which was just the last telly times and this
had you know color and and and graphics on it and stuff so yeah yeah well that's how come
there were several university written operating systems for IBM hardware that
Michigan there was a Michigan time sharing system from the University of Michigan there was there
was a couple of others were people basically chucked most of the IBM stuff and um wrote what they
they needed to to run under their systems also just for your general information there is a
early version of uh MVMS or yeah MVS 3.8 which is available for public use because it was
largely funded by the government and the later versions of MVS just layered on proprietary additions
but it there it is also runs under an emulator which runs under windows and Linux called Hercules
mm-hmm yeah yes yes aware of that um I think that's the one that we have a host on
hack public radio who who's been doing work in that area and has done a done a show or two on
that on the subject of not wrong yeah I believe that they also have a I believe they may have
some bitnet stuff and I'm pretty sure they even have some decknet stuff in a obvious form
available okay so hey I have a question uh going back to those uh those tape drives since you
mentioned that if some were coming after you that's where you hide is it bigger on the outside
then bigger on the inside then it looks on the outside so I'd have to throw out a lot of stuff
to make room for me so but or or or just open the the rear doors and just stand there well
well the these shots get absorbed by IBM logic I think Dave Morris got my joke
oh I did I did yes I was with you that he was making a doctor who reference yes
thinking of which that airs today doesn't it the Christmas special new year special
ice tomorrow okay is I haven't watched it in so long I think though is there anything left
a doctor who after BBC got done with it it's a funny thing my daughter and I I don't know
why I haven't turned out that way but we both started watching the restart of Doctor Who I'm
I'm old enough to remember the first episode but way back and was it the 60s anyway yeah
when it restarted yeah when it restarted we didn't have a telly we had black and white of course yeah
yeah and it was very very fuzzy but yeah we we started watching it together and we both enjoyed it
she's not really a sci-fi person but she we you said you know discuss it and chat about it
stuff but they came a point I think I can't remember which doctor we just had enough it's not watched
it since either of us so it's it's a shame because I'm sure this looks still looks a good
thing to never I think you can be oversaturated with it maybe yeah that's kind of what happened
with me I was with the the was it Matt Smith I think and I watched a few episodes of well I got
quite into those and then I kind of dropped off because I just lost the interest and I haven't
watched it since yep that's pretty much the same point we we stopped watching is what I think
well I used to watch it through a public television in the Boston area when I had broadcast
yeah at least a lot of watch a lot of doctor over a public broadcast back when I do
in the past the old episodes yeah back when I was a teenager and couldn't sleep because it was always on it like
two in the morning or something well also the doctor wasn't too bad for what what is essentially
a sci-fi so proper they had the the guy who the show runner who took over when it came back again
whose name is escaping me at the moment I thought he's been sorry off it no who was before he was before
him changed changed him off it a bit you're a two after it has started up I come yeah I'm holding
you think you'll choose no no no I can't he it's he not good guy is taking over again yeah yeah
that's what he's going to say he's coming back show runner and I forgot his name totally
the BB Russell T Davies yes yes there's in the BBC giving up control of um uh doctor who
story like no idea I'm afraid but I did enjoy his uh his shows on to his his guide so in some
case written by him and stuff those those really appealed I guess for many years of not having anything
good in the way of British based sci-fi on the television that just seemed to appeal to both
my daughter and I I son hates it but I don't relate well I still can picture that robot dog
and of course the dark ex oh yes oh yes those were the source of great great fear and
trepidation to young me in 1963 I can tell you okay no it was great two two different shows two
different spin-off shows we had told each would and you had the Sarah Jane adventures I'm talking
um two specific canine shows there was the canine adventures which was basically an early um
thin of um Sarah Jane except like way back when she first left the show and it was called
canine adventures and then there was an Australian show called um think the adventures of canine
or something like that some of the canine stuff was actually very good some of it was very
very childish I felt but but when they got it got it right it was it was really good it's quite a
character how do we do we have someone to say hello to oh we do I've got it all pia oh
we're still so good Queensland we missed Queensland I'll this is Rowan saying hello you guys
were in the middle of your doctor who tattooed I didn't want to interrupt anyone I run how you doing
hi Dave doing well this is an interrupt driven podcast yeah I missed out on Dr.
Who probably in the years that would have really captured me I've only saw a few but where we live
and I don't ever remember running across because I know as a kid I definitely would have
like been you know activated by it because I was big into like ultra man and we got
some of the I guess the Japanese like speed racing stuff like that but never found Dr. Who
back Dr. Who's in the motto Dr. Who really didn't run from like other than in 1996 Dr.
Who movie I think it was the what 1986 or something all the way up until 2005
they did a new year special to the millennium on 2000 yeah on the on the new year's Eve I think it was
all the comedy special what was it called I don't think it was comedy where they did a whole
bunch of regenerations no I know they've done various ones for red nose day for the
tele you know to the charity telecom but I don't think the millennium one was a comedy and if we're
doing British sci-fi of course we have to have an honourable mention to Thunderbirds
I'm British but that was American I always assumed it was a British yeah yeah yeah yeah
maybe I'll be what's in there was that was not the year of what they called super marionation
it was super marionation and it was a British show that was aimed at the American market but
unfortunately didn't make it all the way across the pond at least for long term yeah that was
quite I certainly enjoyed that as a young sorry but when will era was that out in I wouldn't know
I most of the stuff that I've gotten is is a syndicated or reruns or what have you I didn't get a lot
of this stuff when it was hot although I can picture lady pedelope and her chauffeur right at
this moment the one I was thinking of was Rowan at concerned the curse of the fatal death
that was such a charity telephone and on 12 March 1999 yeah there was a there was also a
doctor who night in 1999 that had various things in it apparently Thunderbirds was from 1964 so yeah
whatever appealed to me I would be 15 yeah the doctor who were 1999 New Year's Eve show was
with Paul McGam it was the only one he ever did was that the movie yeah it was it was an extended
episode that they did for the millennium well I'm saying one here with Tom Baker on 13 November 1999
hello everybody from across the pond good morning here at least good morning good morning Delta Ray
I just put a link to that show in the notes I can't I don't know well yeah the 1996 doctor
who movie was actually a New Year's nice story for the links by the way I fixed my Zalining
by going into mobile and setting the quality to do something from that to worst that stopped it
dropping out it took the pressure off the server I guess you'll still sound as crappy as ever
so but that was you've done that voluntarily that you you were you selected Crap Mode
above by your own choice yes yes did yeah the link you sent um just talks about the 1996
doctor who movie and basically what time you can start that that movie that you know have it
and at the ball drop or a write it midnight I thought that was a millennium well
the millennium special one but um it the movie was made in 1986 but I think it was set in
1999 oh well since I watched it maybe the re-show did millennium eve and that's why I
thought it was a millennium special yeah I'll jump on a phone call for work I'll be back okay
okay I'm going to disappear for a bit I've got some stuff to do I'll be back later
I'm going to work on some breakfast so I'll be back
okay it's lunch time is so I think I might be going quite soon as well see you later
fine nobody wants to talk about what's going to be listening in and my jump in here
and there but yeah I got to eat I was I was looking back through the the show notes I
noticed that HPR's inaugural episode was on New Year's Eve 2007 so happy birthday HPR
new well HPR was supposed the first episode of today with a techie which was the re-name
before that was let me just check so if you go to stats.php so 16 years
three months 17 days ago so 2005 September the 19th was the first show and it was renamed on
2007 at midnight last day first day of 2008 and we've done a total of four thousand and 61
shows according to this how is that possible show is still making an impressive number of
cast I heard in one direction just ask for shows and they come and ask and yes and continued
just we actually have a call for shows up at the moment so if people do want to drop off
on record a show that's absolutely fine this doesn't count this show never counts
I was thinking that this morning this week has been much busier than I planned I
cooked a week off and I'm thinking now I'll be able to do all sorts of things include
recording shows and this is the first time I did it down I know that feeling
I noticed I haven't done a show since 10 years ago so sorry for that but it's fine
it's stressful core but I never know what to talk about how do you mean you never know about
to talk about this let's see what you've done already or I guess I'm afraid I'd ramble on
aimlessly oh I ramble all the time don't worry about that and people still listen well
you've got the remains just a conspiracy that was very interesting show you're first
we also we also remember our dear departed friend 5150 and we show that was purely
snoring yes let's chill yeah he's still missed him and Lord Dragon Bluth as well I still remember him
I only had it got minor exposure to the Lord but he was he sounded like a quality guy too
yeah he was an awesome guy I never got to meet him in person but I would talk to him all the time
either through chat or sometimes we would do a mumble thing or he's he's been on a number of podcasts
that people are familiar with yeah I knew Lord D personally and I'm sorry these gone I miss him
to he and I worked together about 10 years ago on the Indiana Linux Fest oh wow small world look at
that good to meet you in fact he probably he might have got me in the HPR I remember he was doing
a YouTube show for a while on on Linux and stuff like that remember it's probably still there
I just it's been ages I just don't remember the name yeah for her a while after he passed his
he had that if the student that hooked up to his Facebook and Twitter accounts and they were
still posting like Linux news for I think a year or two afterwards yeah I remember that it was
it was surreal to see that after his passing but also a good tribute to his dedication to the community
you also had a podcast called the was a ten-buck review where he would review certain movies
I'm the only ones if you get the movie for ten books or less you could review it
that's the way it was yeah hello all right can't leave me yep coming in fun
I'm going to go silent for a bit as I'm making practice I'll be back soon
enjoy the shunnels with the updates it's time zones yeah I think I better go make breakfast too
so I'll talk to you guys later I'm ready can I've already spread the word I'm
messed it down about the show so maybe we'll get some new listeners or chatters or
talkers or stuff super much they enjoy the most done a lot more than I thought it would yeah it
takes uh it takes a while and you kind of have to interact to get the best out of it otherwise you
don't really see much come into your timeline all right everything's working have fun yeah
shunnels won't work for me why is that uh I think the city the data we see you can't be very hard
that's probably because it's not a mess I saw it so it's a really tricky
exact thing yeah I'm not just doing this as we speak good tip for everybody is
wreak havoc does not observe daylight savings time and it is at UTC all the time so if you get
the number of all and you want to have a UTC time zone pick wreak havoc good dinner it's actually quite
useful yes I've had a I've risen as a bug but it gets rejected because theoretically it's
not a time zone it's a standard so blah blah blah blah people won't fix bugs because of the
impudentic about it's use right now I'm trying to get a UTC crop so that I can know where we are in
the note yeah I have UTC GMT because I don't need to ring no mother and see because I need to tell
when you know where time it is from plenty starts planning his games and then I'm looking
on time and speaking of the only correct format I saw it's useful it both because it's been
open in kitty for seven years it's finally getting some attention related to the fact that you
count changed the underlying operation system days in time format and one thing that did
happen this year was Firefox or Thunderbird finally finally allowed the editing of days in time
as well and it was only because some developer tried by developer you know but again another
book that was open for years and couldn't be fixed because blah blah blah blah but I've already
rented about that last year so if you want to hear my rounds about days and time feel free
to go back in listen to that show I was saying many people don't say how you can tell us
anyway yeah I feel like a fraud because I did I was here for the New Year's last year and I did
like the one show because you told me like I owed it to you and I just haven't like gotten the
time to listen to any like hardly any shows you don't need to listen to them you just need to
sit and try to find a good topic what do you mean you can't find a topic oh I guess I haven't thought
of anything good speaking as objects can question for you has anyone else submitted an episode
that's non-English because I've gotten so far to comments and they've been pretty happy with it
yeah so you're good and yeah we just got on the new year show around the young new year shows
not good on the community news which will be released tomorrow and yeah let's click it I was surprised
if I'm much I actually followed I think I followed at least the general gift it was definitely
pushing my high school Spanish recollection could do so I don't know if that's going to be
an interesting to see the way it goes actually if we remain a predominantly in this but occasionally
another somebody comes in with other shows I imagine if like somebody was releasing shows every
once every two weeks of might get a bit annoying but every week every other day a non-English
of might get annoying but with all subritching come to it maybe an interesting curiosity
that's pretty much it especially shows that I probably couldn't decide for justice
it was into it just to listen to it maybe not even under you know regardless of whether
I understand it or not sorry could you repeat that cause I got so long
I was just saying that even if I don't understand the the language it would still at least
to me it would still be interesting just to listen to it I guess it just might be just sometimes
just passing Amy just for the sake of being language yeah they did mention that you would like
to see a transcript of the show maybe something that will be useful you might want to put your
non-English just file them under a different heading yeah it depends so many we guess well
I'm just just saying you know you know I know you're you're usually trying to to fill a time
slot but you you also could be a bit more podcasty and and make it so that maybe it's just
mentioned in the mainstream or what have you yeah it was mentioned somewhere in the mailing list
about eventually if there were enough submissions that maybe there might be a separate feed for
that but I mean I guess for now most people could just skip it if they're not interesting I mean
that's what I do with a lot of other episodes anyway yeah definitely it it's one if
if it becomes a problem we'll deal with it both having the occasional different language show
and there's yeah it says it's as far into me as the high-scalves episodes are if I'm not
this is completely zooled in and following up on it so again you get like a glass of virus
something what's it comes in years just going to drop off because this must have
so long been happening one second so what was that oh I said I feel like you're going to be doing once it's almost
news and you're going to glass of virus and then you can get it on collection issues let me see if
okay fix it somehow number was being very finicky today for me right in here turn down the
quality to absolutely zero is kilobits per second let's see if I can handle that some of you want to
talk talking what's that anybody well I don't have this many problems with the server but
hello roll I'm here just thing working yes we can hear your room I get better can
I'm not sure mine is all server sometimes my client I lose the the screen that shares the
room and stuff and I can't get it back yeah it drops the ping the ping time gets to be too low
and basically the connection resets on you okay that's the server itself or that connection
but I'm having the same problem so I'm assuming that it's the server it's very intermittent
I was playing around with the VPN earlier so I figured well maybe the VPN was just you know
taking too long to get where it needed to go so I'm now I'm just back on straight oh it's going to
hop on for hardware is using I mean it's running like a pire something then yeah I could see where
there would be a problem with this many people on so I'm just going to get over here I guess we should
have a backup recording film yeah welcome back yeah okay I think we need to check some people
of that are not speaking and have them just listen to the screen what do we think about that
yeah I mean if it's causing issues with the server that's probably the best thing to do
well so no recording this time I was going to comment that yeah trying to put the recording
together would be rather fun for you and you me yeah we can hear you can you hear us coming in loud
and clear again yeah I can't hear anything weird yep that seems a little weird
it's a nice slow day at work oh that's good I took the week off so I'm just sitting here
relaxing well this is the only day I'm working this week that was basically just to give the
people that did work this week a chance to be off that's nice yeah luckily I'm in a small
enough company that I'm more or less the IT so I'm the guy that writes the schedule which is helpful
I have so far I've only had to I've never had your certificates run out at the end of the year
did have to jump on and update for the next year's certificates for a couple websites this week
but other than that it's been pretty quiet haven't really even checked in at all this week
which is a little odd for me ended up lying in a couple of times christmas week because some of my
team got sick but not a big deal pretty slow week all around yeah just look at my email once
or twice a day and then go back to sitting around or running around as the case has been
well did you have any fallout from the log for J fun? no luckily we haven't I mean potentially
it could because we do have some job of stuff running I don't think we use it directly but you
know who knows what in it so we have been trying to keep up on that but it hasn't it hasn't hit us
you know well we didn't have any security breaches with it or anything but it was a fun couple of
days trying to get everything updated I'm sure and it just seems like every day there's a not yet
another time to update all right I'm cutting in and out again
errone how's it going? it's going good I just have me too how are you? good stay slow
morning apparently I don't can another show archer can you just connect that mobile connection please
and listen on the stream on mobile I want to see if we can get rid of some people's connections
would improve the siloing for the rest that better well yeah I think we I don't know really
to tell there are too many people on but it said no it didn't it's conflicting as well I just heard
it coming in there again I mean there's no reason for me to offer a bit so I'm going to be silent
for a bit yeah I'm going to be silent for a bit so I'll go ahead and disconnect you know I think
we'll do the same it's been a pretty quiet week for me I mean other than running around and doing
visiting I didn't do your last show the show is that the fixing and noisy blur mode that was just
a little off the cuff I didn't know if it'd be interesting oh yeah always always fun I'm not that
I have a blur currently but you know it's always good to keep it in back of your head I had no idea
what I was getting into until I pulled a little part I know that feeling but just after the previous
year I just started getting annoying only in the cool weather what I always kind of show is for
the turntable I got or I've interfaced the Raspberry Pi oh nice yeah now I can record the
flag from I did a Star Trek record I put it on my Google Drive for entrances I just couldn't put
it on the archive right yeah I remember having I think I at one point had I think it was a record
of like this the themes from the original Star Trek movie from like 70 oh that 70 778 something
like that for that later a little later I don't know when the first one came out what was that the
the sixth is the first one what the first Star Trek movie no um Star Trek movie the first Star Trek episodes were was the
first movies I don't think happened until much later in yeah with some time haven't had yeah thank
it was like 70 I can't remember if it came out right before right after Star Wars but I know
it like late 70 1979 car track emotion picture yeah yeah what have been the same time frame
as the Star Wars movies I think 78 yeah I think they I remember seven like the summer or something
of that a 78 is I think when I saw Star Wars but I don't quite remember and then I do remember
going to the theater to see um Star Trek the movie also but yeah arch 72 it'd be interesting to
listen to that if for no other reason to see here how it sounds like the the transfer went
yeah there's about 30 seconds on either side of both tracks but if you don't mind that just get
over it cool get probably just end the link to your email though because I don't think it'll be
good to put on here or on um matrix yep that's fine yeah my email from the webpage oh yeah I can find it
I have even from our going back and forth with the tags yeah right right that was a fun project
yep yeah that's going back to talking about uh Lord D that's actually the first time I had
heard any of his uh shows was um going back and doing the tags and stuff yeah I heard about him but
I missed what they were talking about when I came over how long ago he passed yeah I don't
I don't remember off the top of my head either surprise I didn't talk about 5150 yet
he is pretty integral in the community too yeah I did mention him a little bit I think it was another
I you know I just recently started getting on to like the chat some stuff so I never got to
interact with 5150 there but always enjoyed his shows you know you're a 50 he also did the the
beat like he would do the beer but that the beer the week or the beer the month there's something
like that at one point and he did an audiobook show as well there's still a missing audiobook show
there's a couple that haven't been released yet I'm not sure who's doing the audio editing on
those though what's it been that minor two years since 50 passed away I'd say so I was still
awesome and I've him to come out to Texas Linux Fest so I can meet him I don't know if that was
this exact reason but nice okay I need to sign off for a couple minutes I just got a text message
with my honey do list for the next hour I'm gonna take care of that and I'll be back in a little bit
can you still around this man Joe I don't see the Ken's logged in yeah I just noticed that
no I was gonna say the URL for the stream is seems to be incorrect because every time I click on
it it wants to download the stream dot him through you file from that other link and the redirect
from hacker public radio dot or slash live goes to that particular link as well if you take off the
dot m3u it loads on a player without issue at least that's the result I've gotten happy new year
Japan South Korea and nine more Tokyo seal for a young tang dilly and I'm not even going to try the
last one happy new year well Junts we we have another shorty about 15 minutes from now or they're
about sweet and western Australia by the way gentlemen there is a news group that many of you might want
to at least scan it's all dot sys admin dot recovery for those of you who have had a bad day
dealing with servers or similar problems net miners that net is that news group also for
admins that had problems recovering their backups yeah well if you'd like your sis had been
comedy it's for anyone yes figured I'd go a little met on that and no I don't mean Facebook
no what we're we're talking about is an entire news group from based on the principles of the
sis off from how right did you put that in the show notes that way we can refer to it later I guess
because I mean I want to look into that just for out of curiosity I just just started my second
cup of coffee breakfast is done so I'm just gonna chill here yeah western Australia
happy new year and to all sis admins all sis has been recovery has been noted it is sis had been
humor better than a 45 that I'm server happy new year western strip yes
welcome c r ds any hundreds out here no I'm not much of my family is but I just never never
caught on with my little branch of it yeah more of a target or blinker myself when I was legal
for fire or though my dad's happy to let anybody come up and take out some deer on his property
so there's a whole bunch of them there yeah so I know if they're not controlled they can be real
no sense of yeah I just actually was up there a couple days ago and saw flock of turkeys too I
think they were like 11 or 12 of them actually when I was going to my shuriken brookline I saw a
bunch of wild turkeys yeah I was just thinking of the of a story my dad told me about the time
that he coughed up a deer coughed up one yeah he was going through it you know I'm just going
going along through this area up in well the main and he was hacking and coughing and whatnot
and his book decided to see who is invading his territory hello well my dad came out on top on
that one I think and I think definitely actually a particular book if he came up on it it
could be potentially a bad outcome for you well he wanted to know which mail it invaded his territory
and he found out the hard way now my brother is a peaceful sort the last time he got a deer
was with a semi truck yeah I haven't seen a whole lot of them but I do see a number of them going
back and forth along the sides of the road yeah well my brother is like that old drunken cash
son I've been everywhere I mean he doesn't do the northeast anymore but he bounces from
Washington State to Florida time like he has gotten to see a good bit of the U.S. then
yeah occasionally he's he has to serve time in California hello hey Madsbini has
back to the turkeys it was kind of interesting seeing them because I've been a wild
since I'd seen them back close I mean we were still probably a 50 yards off or so but they do
a girls are with me they're like they look like peacocks kind of when they're when they're walking
I mean you know without their tails spread out actually when I was doing maturity work
south of Boston here in the condo complex we had a crescent come through and at the garce
starting to see that sort of things you know areas get squash to start seeing more of the
so called wildlife partaking in a more urban areas well around this area was an old night
site so there was some woods yeah the real two pieces of even setting wild wildlife where
the shrunks that tended to like to patrol the parking area having that I don't know if
actually seen a skunk I've definitely smelled them when they haven't made it across the roads before
well when I was patrolling the parking area I would often have to alter my patrol route to
avoid the black and white residents you know that that might put a damper on your evening
that kind of concentration yeah also would make getting a cab a little difficult
true now the other animal that attempted to shorten my life was a small
a possum I was walking through a dimly lit concrete deck around the condo complex and this
little a possum goes racing by made my hair stand up on it yeah they do can be like kind of scary
looking when they're like growling heard I guess growling I don't know if that's the right turn
for a possum but petite pointy little teeth yeah they tend to hiss at you when they're upset
you know this this fall we had to a a ticket attendant in our chimney we were all sitting
out back we had a small gathering in our backyard and our neighbor cross-tree goes I think you
have a raccoon in your kidney and we all looked up and he was sort of sticking his head out and
then he disappeared down in and then over the next couple of days like the cats would be sitting
looking staring at the chimney from on the inside and you could hear scrabbling noises
so I'd have somebody come out and they put like a cap with a one-way door on it and then
I can't remember what he I think it's some kind of center smell they sort of sprayed up to
sort of or the maybe we just waited and I can't remember I know we had to wait for like a week
to make sure that you know because they did this sort of come and go but once they went out
and couldn't get back in and then we had to get a better a new cap put on the the chimney to keep
raccoons and other we have a lot of squirrels around here too they'd like to run across the
roof well we had a ground to a living under a small shoemaker shop that used to be in our backyard
somebody was working on our chimney and he said it's that a pet and I said no it's more like a tenant
now this animal was not fenced in at the time our yard was not fenced very much but the guy
wasn't working on the chimney sort of which we couldn't a concept of wild and she had a bunch
of babies and they lived in her in our firewood pile so they must have been wood trucks.
Yeah her area we have a mix I mean like so it's how the wrecking squirrels and then we have a lot of
bunnies in our yard we actually had a little this summer mother had put a couple of her like three
of her pup I guess their pup's I mean sure what baby bunnies are called and in a little she
dug a little like indent or in our yard and so that was fun because we've got cats and a dog so
we had to sort of cover it up with a piece of furniture so they couldn't get down get to them
and then waited about a week until they were finally old enough to to move.
Yeah I've seen a bunny here even a neighbor has fenced a sliver of land along the stream here
but the bunny went under it um well I have a neighbor who well I'm thinking of crowdfunding his
wake well renting the local stadium is going to cost a bit of money I don't think a popular neighbor
yeah he's uh one of you some you know well let let's say I'd use his picture if I needed to
patch my hair to look in any darkboard I see and then lucky so far how long well I need to
these are nice he's the nice guy I believe he should get a covid trap but it's hard to get live
covid these days yeah you wanted to fence my backyard on a line that he decided on so that he could
use it for parking he did not negotiate he sent my lawyer a map saying here's the property
that I will take no money it's changed of course hey yeah yeah the the old saying what is a good
fence is make good neighbors it's just making sure the fence is where it needs to be is the problem
well he suddenly discovered that he had a chunk but there was an abandoned chunk of property
a little sliver that was forming my side jar did he wanted to trade my backyard for the
hearing run here I really have trouble parking a car in the stream it's not recommended well
the problem was the the boundary line was from back in the days before that area of land was land
it was mostly stream back in 1917 that's like what it sort of based on the stream or the old
boundary was based on the stream and whatnot yeah streams for the short term they make good
boundary lines but the even the relatively geologically short time doesn't it's not always the
best well also back in the day they didn't worry about filling streams in like they do today
I know that it's true now I've got to get this house cleaned up so that I can get it
get sewage hooked up unfortunately my property is come under interest to a developer and certain
of their friends at the town hall or suddenly inspecting the place and saying oh you know you're
not up to code yeah that that that that's the place that lived that's already been resolved for
a number of years but I've had friends that have run into similar situation you know well
they say why don't you just walk away you know the developer will give you a pile of money
and you'll have a pile of money and no house and you can clearly rent something yeah that's
the fun they always like to say that but they never really want to pay you what I mean if
if it's worth that much to go you know they don't want to pay what's really technically
going to be worth now you know I mean well we recently had commuter rail come into this area of
town so property values have for yuppies have gone up considerably yeah and I know now with
sort of the remote you know we're going on a lot of people that you know all places
sounds like yours are places oh let's go live way out and I can just commute to work now
or telework so you're going to definitely get more interest than you probably want
well the the town was talking about if they hook up to sewage they might not get their money
back from the zero interest loan now would the increase in property values here well let's say
a small cake property was rumored to go for half a million in my neighborhood putting in
sewage and whatever would not come close to any of the real investment that they'd put in
a hot but to say in people that do the homeowners loan refurbishment loans also
interface with developers and they're a little upset that I didn't just take the money and
run yet that sort of similar to where my parents live there's a there was an area
and just a few years ago like well maybe a decade ago they were trying to get people to
you know renovate their houses and they were given all sorts of loans out
and then you know about five years ago a developer decided oh this will be great because there's
and it's like right off of an exit of the interstate so then they wanted to go through and try to
buy out all the houses well you know all these people are like you know and they barely wanted
to give them what you know well it was going to cost to pay back the loans they took out and so
that's just been an ongoing thing with you know some people were in the position to take the
money but other people are like where am I going to go you're not going to get you're not offering
me enough money to you know buy out what I have plus get me something comparable well I don't drive
so my my options are rather limited because I'm rather nearly edge of reasonable public transportation
in this region yeah I I feel yeah that that makes the tough when you've got you know
you've got to make sure you can live you know in the area that you can get around in
well you know I mean also you know I've lived in this house since the early sixties and
and now they're suddenly saying well it's too cluttered it's too this it's the wiring's not up to
code you know we've got to replace all the windows we've got to replace the siding and we've
got to spend all this money and we don't think we're going to get it back so they expanded
to simple sewer hook up to stripping house to the walls and you know we're moving lead paint
and everything like that so you know if you add enough bells and whistles you know you can make
a you go into a Cadillac yeah then they said well we don't know whether we really want to
invest the money in doing your entire place over they were a little upset that I got upset at them
for you know blowing this thing up like this that's because you know let's say but their
calculations are based on everybody just assuming you know they're going to want the money
and walk away and then making it easy for them to just do the least common denominator which is
probably level everything and start new well the interesting thing was they called me
October 15th and they said that we want you hooked up to search by the end of the year
that makes no sense I mean even if even if you you know got right on it getting that sounds
like that's not going to happen back quickly and then when it came down to actually making
any kind of decisions they said well we've got a consider rewiring and we've got to consider this
and we've got to consider whether it's worth our investment now they're taking a lean against the
house the property is according to my taxes well a couple hundred thousand dollars show we say
you can't get it I mean and and we're talking to twenty thousand dollars who are hooked up
maybe excuse me you're not going to get your money back and right five we get in five
or ten years you know also if I don't have a home I may have a fat bank account but you know
I can't around here a studio apartment goes for like two grand a month right yeah now I mean
and and things are just going to go up I mean the more it gets developed then you know even
the brand of prices that's sort of my area the brand is insane also well I can't really say much
more but if I don't have a home being homeless in this environment in New England is what
we call a suboptimal choice well yeah it's pretty suboptimal anywhere but in particularly at this
time of year yes I would I would not want to be in that position up there and under those conditions
well I can't really say that much more if I want to remain independent and individual I really
want to avoid the jacket with all sleeves I hear you well I hope things work out I don't know
unfortunately it sounds like I mean and I don't know how easy that is or money-wise but it
sounds this is where like unfortunately you jump like you need lawyers on your side as you know
to help guide you through some of them land mines that legal land mines they're throwing your way
yeah well I just got I have several generations of pack rats to my own stuff and
bunch of family stuff to try to empty out through through the trash system and unfortunately
because we've gone to bin trash you can't put out a bunch of barrels or whatnot anymore you can only
get bins from from the town hall at their rates and they don't allow you to run to bin for a short
term if I was to get some extra bins I would have to pay for them regardless of whether I needed
them afterwards or not I see did they have a bulk trash or a place where you can take I mean I
know that means arranging somebody to pick it up or something I did haul it someplace well they do
have furniture pick up and I am going to try to get some furniture out of here just to get some space
I have a bunch of beds that are no use to me and are generally just collecting stuff but that's
not necessarily all and when my friends say well why don't you get somebody coming here and
go through your stuff and well there's some material that I just don't want there's some of my
stuff that I want to you know I want to burn and all right there's stuff you want to make sure
you've looked at and decided and done with before you want to people coming through your
and going through things well yeah I mean there is I have a wood stove and there is a certain amount
of litter books that I just want to burn as trash that change subject but is the next the next
one coming up I think it's China Philippines yeah China Philippines and more Beijing and whatnot
okay I'm not sure what what I know I've listened to these before I've never participated
is there a I don't know if we do a countdown I don't have seconds on my clock showing
well I think if we're within a couple of minutes it's okay this is not exactly what you call
a precision out of it
well according to my clock is now a happy new year to what do we just say China in the Philippines
Beijing, Hong Kong, Manila, Singapore
welcome to 2022 I am a go silent for a couple minutes I need to go refresh my coffee well thanks for
being another skeleton in the group I think I'm going to refresh my coffee as well going for number
three and my final coffee I also just posted some I posted the information about the show on my
blog which is Claudio Miranda dot wordpress dot com if you want to check it out all the plugs all the
plugs get them in well put your put your plug in the show notes yeah I'll do that right after I
get my coffee so I'm like a plan you have been listening to Hacker Public Radio at Hacker