This is Hacker Public Radio Episode 3759 for Thursday the 29th of December 2022.
Today's show is entitled, chatting with it.
It is hosted by some guy on the internet and is about 44 minutes long.
It carries a clean flag.
The summary is, small talk on spin free software.
Hello and welcome to another episode of Hacker Public Radio.
I'm some guy on the internet and I'm here speaking with D&T.
And today we're just going to be chatting about a little bit of technology.
Let's start off with the Raspberry Pi.
D&T, have you heard anything lately on Raspberry Pi?
I have heard lately that I think it's hard to find a Raspberry Pi, but I think that's
always been the case.
At least occasionally lately I've heard a lot about this big thing on a mastodon with moderation,
some big controversy that happened there.
Oh yeah.
The controversy that I mastered on that's a big list.
The segue into that one, let's start off with that part about it being hard to find.
It's been hard to find for all quite some time now, except for the scammers or the scalpers
online.
They've seemed to have a pretty healthy supply of them.
It's just consumers the rest of us, the enthusiast.
We seem to have trouble getting them.
What's up with scalpers, how did they get the Raspberry Pi's then?
My guess is from what they were saying is they're doing a lot of B2B type of work right
now business to business versus business to consumer sales.
So some of the small businesses they're supplying and this is just a guess.
It's not like I got any paperwork to back this up.
Some of those small businesses are doing a couple of bulk loads to people they know and those
people are running around online just, you know, just selling them for outrageous prices.
The last price I saw for Raspberry Pi for compute module was $207 just for the compute module.
And that was on Amazon.
Yeah, that makes sense.
There must be this inventory that they're getting their hands on, I guess.
So I've only ever had one, I have a, I think it's a maybe like a model 3B or something
like that.
The one that doesn't have a USB 3 ports doesn't have gigabit ethernet, I think.
I've got two of the 3B, the standard 3B that's in the same form factor as the 4B except
the, I don't have the 3B plus so they don't have a Bluetooth and Wi-Fi on them.
But they're still good for things like if you want to do DNS or any any Samba anything
like that, where it's going to be connected ethernet wise or just learning because when
I first bought them, I was just using them to learn how to do anything with Linux.
I didn't have a spare computer to test stuff like SSH on.
I could plug that in and learn how to SSH into it.
I think I had like 4 Raspberry Pi 4s except one of them's dead now.
I'm pretty sure it's dead because it will not power on anymore.
I was running as an X cloud server for quite some time and I noticed it was powered off.
Couldn't get it to come back on.
Yeah, so are you looking for more Raspberry Pi's looks like you will start with them
already from what you just said.
Well, I use them for small projects and like, say for instance, the one that I was using
on my network here, that was doing my next cloud out.
So whenever I had to send files to someone, rather than uploading the file to the email server
and then trusting that file in the hands of say, Google with Gmail, I would upload it to my next
cloud, send a link through email and that way the link can actually expire.
Even if a bad actor got it, the link can also be password protected.
So it gave me a little bit of security and the file was still on the device I own.
I got a little bit more control over that.
One of the things that helped me in having multiple Raspberry Pi 4s is
when I wanted to test out new things that I wanted to deploy on my network,
I have an exact replica of the machine I'm running in production.
You know what I mean?
So I can do all the testing on another Raspberry Pi here just to see if I can get it all working.
Like when I wanted to get what's called bookstacks up and running alongside the next cloud,
that failed miserably.
I don't know what I did wrong, but it didn't work out.
And I'm glad I didn't try that on production.
I have a wonderful little test environment that's exactly the same as production.
And the other ones did doing things like a dear to smaller ones like the two gig.
That one's running a digital photo frame and the other one that was running the
land base next cloud.
That's cool, that's fancy.
So you've got your production environment in your test environment.
Yeah, after a while I stopped running any kind of heavier applications,
like anything with server side stuff.
Yeah, now I mostly just have some get repositories and task warrior server
in a couple other very simple things like that.
So one thing that I use quite a lot for my stuff is get annexed.
It's something I definitely owe a show about.
There's been one show by cloud to about get annexed, but it was kind of
little bit superficial.
I could talk for a while about get annexed, I guess.
Well, since you brought it up, I mean, just give me like a 50,000 foot view of get annexed,
you're talking to a complete new that's only heard the term here with you.
So I mean, just tell me a little bit about why we're here.
Cool.
So get annexed is like one of the various solutions that exist storing
larger binary files in a get repository, basically.
Any file that is not really interesting or useful to have that change tracking that
get uh, does.
So get annexed is kind of a really sophisticated one that, because a lot of times,
the trade-off for storing the larger file and get is that it's not actually
version controlled usually or at least like it is version controlled somewhat, but
the history is not actually kept so you can actually go back to an order come in
and get that larger file.
I believe get LFS which is get a large file storage.
I think that's the one that's supported by get hub.
That's not it won't keep the older files right get annexed does.
And uh, there's a lot of cool stuff about it.
The documentation is a little bit hard to get into.
It definitely takes a while for you to understand some things about get annexed.
It's kind of a weird thing.
But the main thing that I like about it the reason I use it is because you can basically
have the whole file structure, the folder structure on your computer and you can but not
have the actual files on your computer right.
For example, I have one get repository where I have almost every project I have ever worked on
when I was a freelancer doing video or nowadays more kind of personal projects.
I have it all there and I can kind of browse it but I don't have the actual data right.
Then there's a get command get annex get that will actually go SSH into my Raspberry Pi
and then download the file and you know the file that's in your directory is a link to a
assembling to a file that's in the dot get directory and then that's where the actual data is right.
And there's a bunch of other stuff about it but that's kind of the essential thing the reason I use it.
I kind of like that idea of having the folder structure and being enabled to browse it to
to some extent and then just download the file and I need to look at it.
So for example if I remember vaguely that I had a file and I remember what it was named,
I can do a find and find that file and it can be a file that I saved to the repository like 10
years ago and then I can just do get annex get and get it.
Okay so now one of the things I'm wondering about is with get I still haven't taken the time to
learn how to use get but I know the purposes of get the versions control for a mostly source code
but I guess you can also use it for documentation and other writing.
I don't understand why a binary would be up there unless you wanted to release the binary
to users. I don't understand why you like the developer would have the binary up there
when I would assume you'd be building from source a lot of time unless you wanted to avoid
building from source. Yeah you're definitely right about that there's generally no good reason
to store a binary and get repository like sometimes a project will do it just for convenience
because they would you know let's say you have a get repository that you need multiple people to
download and run something and then maybe there's a dependency that is just very convenient to just
have the built binary in the repository itself so it's downloaded when you clone it
but it's a little you know it's a little clunky there's no really good reason to do it.
Okay all right so I guess that helps clear it up a little bit and you're still using it today
for personal projects. Yes so you know whenever I there are some projects that I would prefer to
track it track them in their own get repository but a lot of smaller stuff I'll just at the end
of it I'll just move the directory into my big get annex repository then I'll check everything into
that and I'll just do a commit and then I'll drop the file so then that way I'll have the file structure
as similar but the actual files that take up storage space won't be on my computer anymore
they'll just be in the Raspberry Pi from then on and the files as they're stored on the Raspberry
Pi they're their GPG encrypted in the Raspberry Pi they're just a huge directory and the files
are GPG encrypted in their name are like it's like you know content addressed or whatever you
would call it so that the the file name is in some way obscured as well and when you use GPG
to encrypt do you encrypt the directory or the files themselves each file is encrypted this is done
by the the script by the get annex application I guess it's a and by the way it's a Haskell
application so that can be kind of inconvenient sometimes because it takes a
about a billion dependencies I don't know if that's very common for all of Haskell but
seems like they always come with a lot of dependencies speaking to Haskell we're going to have to
get what's a user one of the correspondence here at HBR is it to to Torto I believe the name
her name is to Torto yeah they might have some thoughts on what I just said about Haskell
yeah I'm going to have to have to drag them in here have a showdown all right so so you're using
your Raspberry Pi's for development and sounds like a little bit of content distribution right there
and the ambiance which that sounds like a fair way to get malware how so well I mean if you're grabbing
binaries off of get repositories I mean the least with the source code out you know you can kind of
comb through it see where there's an issue but if you're just grabbing binaries and you're not exactly
like safe for instance if there's like four or five people I guess managing one get repository what was it
called it's not ransomware they they called it protestware I think that's what it's called the
whole protestware I think came about but at one guy created a program that looked for your location
and if you were in Russia it would delete all your or your files yeah I remember yeah I mean
I don't all these repositories were created by me right I don't share them with anyone I just
have them I guess I use it mostly as a backup you know whenever I need to to read since I have so much
of whatever I'm doing yeah usually in a get repository in some way then for example whenever I need
to just trash my my system and reinstall it the only thing I really need is the SSH key and the
GPG key and I can just get everything back again oh sweet okay so I understand a little bit clear now
this is just all personal so you're just managing external storage like this yeah the all yeah
all just get repositories that I created and upload it myself sorry are you are you booting
through USB I'm hoping you're booting through USB because that sounds like it'll be a nightmare
if you're booting from the SD card so the way I have it is the yeah the system is on the
SD card but most of the data is in external hard drive but the thing is it's it's all USB 2 so
it is actually quite slow and that's one of the reasons I wish I could get a Raspberry Pi 4 so
that I could have faster drives and then all of those file transfers over the network I'm
much faster yeah for a personal use you can stomach it for a while but I imagine after some time
it'll definitely start to cause a bit of frustration I used to boot off of one of my Raspberry Pi
4 as I was booting off of an old laptop hard drive because I mean it was just lying around doing
nothing and those laptop hard drives those those like 5400 rpm so yeah sure I got like a free
terabyte lying around but boy was it slow I had our family next cloud running off of that for a
little while and I got some I got some looks about that so I went ahead and switched it all
over to one terabyte western digital blue drive and that increased the performance
of substantially so what's the disadvantage of just having the system run on the SD card SD card's
going to have much lower read write endurance so you're going to you're going to burn through
SD cards a lot faster depending on your usage with the SD card we will go through it much faster
you would since you're just only one writing to it and from what it sounds like you normally just
storing on to you're not actually running off of it with us we're running you know next cloud
which has the database and applications and everything like that constantly reading and writing
yeah I think you're right that's what I used to have one of the first things I did when I got this
Raspberry Pi was next cloud and then yeah just the whole thing just seemed kind of slow to me so I
intentionally changed so ways of doing all that it's been a lot smoother and I almost never have to
think about it anymore the only other thing I think I have I installed one of those like a calendar
and contacts like a standalone oh it's called ratic cow I guess is how you would pronounce
is like radical with an E at the end so it's just having web I mean cow dev and card dev
but not as part of your regular web server so I didn't have to have a full web server
it runs just fine yeah that's pretty cool so I still usually the functionality you're thinking
everything up using just the front end on your desktop and the back end would just be the pie for
the storage yeah but I think I don't know I feel like that's kind of the least secure part there
because that's the only what one of the only times where there's a data sensitive data stored in
plain text on the Raspberry Pi yeah I I was worried about that but by having them separated one
on the land and having my land separated into multiple different subnets and everything I I
worried less about it now that one that's that was connected to the internet before it died
yeah that one's a different story I mean lots of monitoring went on there and I really didn't
want to keep any files on it just mainly whatever I needed to send out I wanted to always have
a next cloud instance ready for that and I mean it worked and I got attacked a lot but
I didn't see anything where somebody actually got through getting through that access or anything
like that I was able to tighten it up pretty good to where I banned anybody that tried to connect
yeah I need to do a little bit of that just trying to check I don't I've never seen any kind of
activity like that on my Raspberry Pi so but I'm maybe it's because I've never looked
yeah have had did you open it up to the internet like you got any ports forward and out or anything
yeah but but very well what do I have yeah I mean you just got to talk to me yeah I still have
well no I changed it to something other than 22 right yeah that's the I mean I did I think that
was on the there's arch Linux the arch wiki has I know how I know your opinions about
arch Linux by the way but arch Linux their wiki they had like a list of
security recommendations and one of them was that I think that's probably where I got that from
but yet changing the default SSH port to something else and then I have a couple of others but none
of the common ones like the because I don't actually have a web server I'm running on that either
so yeah one of the reasons I didn't and in this could be a misunderstanding of my is from what I was
reading port between zero and 1000 require root those are like system ports so if you go to
a port beyond that it would not require root to access those ports and that's why I wanted to keep it
at 22 I could have changed it beyond 22 and then just managed it through the SSH config and through
documentation as well what the SSH config would just hold that information so I don't have to remember
what the port is yeah and then you you have those you have those other like failed to ban
and all that so yeah I don't know I think yeah I'd be interested in looking at this kind of
information about my Raspberry Pi here whether anyone who has tried to log in or anything but
I've never at least just occasionally looking at logs I've never seen any kind of activity like that
yeah I mean it's not until they find out about it but you start seeing a lot of crap going on
and even then I mean it's usually the same type of attacks I'm trying to break into SSH or whatever
services you have running they'll you'll start to notice how they find out about it my guess is
they're just scanning yeah so I guess let's say if you know how they get and how they find out about
how an attacker might find out about your home server and might start trying to target you
then record a show about it and let us all know pretty sure it's going to be just a whole lot of
scanning like you you probably have like IP ranges and you just ping everything within range and
whatever sends back a message just like okay that's a device I'm assuming that targets yeah
I guess they can go in and scan for open ports and go from there I don't know but yeah I used to have
the a subdomain of my actual personal website pointing to my home IP address and then
forward it to that Raspberry Pi but I've changed that to a completely non-descript domain
that I got and then that just links to that IP so and you know there are things like that
it may be a herd of page kite as well that's another thing I've thought about trying out
but haven't yet it's a kind of supposed to be like I'm more secure way to expose your
some parts of your home network to the internet now I had never heard a page kite one of the things
they got to me from everything that I dug up is a lot of the tools that I found like especially
failed to ban were built on top of the default Linux kernel firewall software so like IP tables and
I figured if I just learned IP tables or enough about IP tables I could just implement all the
features I want were basically just banning everybody that tried to log in except for myself
yeah I think I've noticed that too it seems like a lot of the firewall applications are
kind of like wrappers around IP tables because their commands are like a little more
esoteric or whatever yeah yeah and and on the reason I wanted to do it because I was bored at the
time as well too you know you bored and you got a couple of books lying around it's like let me
go ahead and get into something which firewall application do you use no IP tables but the desktop
that I'm on I think this is running NF tables which is some you know I think some of the
command structures are similar but I don't know enough about NF tables to even attempt it but on
all my servers I'm running older versions 22 no 2004 of a boom too so that way I can maintain
IP tables on those but I'm eventually going to update my knowledge to cover NF tables so speaking
of a boom to 2004 I just went back home to Brazil for a couple of weeks and I found a little CD
base one of those that have multiple pockets you can slip CDs into and I found in there some
a boom to 1204 and I think 1010 that were the first to a boom to CDs that somebody gave me the first
Olympics operating systems I installed ever you you're going to get brave and try to run them today
no I left it it's just it's just a relic of the past no I think I saw someone maybe on a
mastered on talking about like having still having their their first CD I remember at the time
it was when I was living in the UK this French guy came into work on something at the hostile
I worked at and he and then he was like a Linux geek and then he started telling me all about it
and then he gave me a CD and I wasn't even going to install it anywhere but he said no no just keep it
maybe later you want to try it that's something I never took part in I never got into the CD because
I came into a later 2019 is when I got in the Linux so it's been all windows before then so I
never experienced to see the CD world of Linux yeah I had kind of two phases there was that and then
I used a boom to for a while but then later when I started working as a video editor you know in
the video industry you're supposed to use a Mac at least you were for a while and so then I bought
a Mac book pro and then I used it for several years even happy with Linux so far like I
was there anything about it that kind of makes you want to go back to the Mac or you're pretty good
right now with Linux only no it's good it's definitely it's definitely a lot more I mean it's
I think it's more user friendly today than it was back then and also I'm more savvy today than
I was like you know I can back then I hardly ever even wanted to be on the terminal right and that's
not the case anymore but and also a lot of the media applications are much better than they were
back then you know now there's Crida and Katie and live is better than it used to be and it was
usable back then but also I think the Mac operating system is also in some ways worse than it
used to be I think yeah I think with Mac I think they just got a little lazy kind of lock everything down
and trickle out features every now and again like meaningless features what they do have that's
greatest that ecosystem once you're in the ecosystem it's great you can just survive there with just
everything that they have today with no new features for years and it'll still feel incredible
however if you're truly trying to get ahead and you want to just draw out every ounce of power
your system has I I cannot find anything better to Linux yeah the best thing about using a Mac for
example the reason I wish I could use one at work for my work computer is that you can run you know
Linux or Unix E applications on on a Mac so not the case on Windows you know I mean don't
get me wrong I use Windows for gaming but try to do any kind of work on Windows just so much frustration
yeah it's be dreadful but so but also I think I would say nowadays I understand and appreciate
the the free software part of it a lot more like I'm much more willing to use an application
that's maybe in some ways less convenient but more freedom producing same here
and one of the main things is I want to avoid the rug pull yeah the funny thing is then observing
as you start to have this kind of perspective we can we can clearly see when other people just kind
of then step on to this new other rug that looks nice and they're like oh this rug is a lot better
than the rug I was just on before and but then you're like well yeah you're still just you know
just waiting for someone to pull that rug from under your feet yeah and each new rug they step on
gets smaller and smaller so I mean eventually I don't know what they're gonna they're gonna be
just standing barefooted on a ground after a while I mean think about it you can't even own your
software these days it's all done through the software as a service crap so like for those people
they use like Microsoft Word the Microsoft Office Suite miss one payment and you can lock
it of all your work how you gonna get your work done you gotta I guess use the web UI or something
like that whereas if you just go ahead and donate a hundred books over the library office I mean
if you can't pay it next year that's cool you keep going and then you pay when you can yeah so
I'm gonna say first in a minute we need to get back to the promise we made at the beginning of
the show that we were gonna talk about the Raspberry Pi controversy as well but I want to say real
quick there's this development that's happened recently that it was this application called
Figma that's used for UX design usually and it was purchased by Adobe and uh Figma is
known for being kind of one of the most advanced uh design applications that can run on the
browser and it can run very well right there there have been technical articles about it about how
they achieve this and all that so I think I feel like Adobe buying Figma is a huge step in this
continuing shift that we've been seeing about running applications in the cloud you know I think
Figma really is like a kind of a step up where it's a really sophisticated application and really
complete that's running uh in the browser so um yeah I don't know I think we're gonna see more and more
examples of this unfortunately I agree back to the pie now there were claims made by the Raspberry
Pi foundation a while back that the Raspberry Pi 4 was a desktop replacement I don't know if you
heard any of those yeah I remember that have you ever had a chance to try the Raspberry Pi 4 like just
actually get some work done on it no I haven't ever had one I have attempted this desktop
replacement idea that they had and uh let me tell you under the guys of an educational device
I would offer them lenient seal in that statement but if you're just talking about
somebody creating a computer and it is just a consumer device you use it and they call it a
desktop replacement in the small form factor and it's the Raspberry Pi I will call it a
crap device it is no it is in no way a desktop replacement this is one of the things that bring
my frustration with the Raspberry Pi foundation then lowering the availability of the device
to the community yet serving so many businesses took them out of the educational realm
and put them square and just industrial and and other business they just out for profit now
and they no longer get that lenient seal of okay it is an educational device that we think
others love to play with so then that makes a decent segue for the master on controversy
with the Raspberry Pi I think I think I wrote in the in HPR's matrix channel then it's like an
interesting situation because then a lot of people it's like they you know you got the Raspberry Pi
that you like for reasons A and then now there's this other reason that you have for not liking
them you know and then people are kind of struggling with that and they they kind of you know it's
like it's like you're challenging your values a little bit and then you have to decide what is
more important to you but let's I don't to be honest I don't really remember exactly what the
controversy is which is really telling I think so do you are you able to kind of recap a little bit?
Yeah from what I was able to dig up the controversy it is started with a new hire a detective
that was doing surveillance with some police department or whatever he was using Raspberry Pi's
and other devices right trying to surveil criminals the I guess he left that area working
went to the Raspberry Pi foundation maybe got burnt out or whatever who knows but he went to the
Raspberry Pi foundation and some users were a little bit upset about that but they weren't upset
directly with the Raspberry Pi foundation they were upset about the hire of that guy now how
the Raspberry Pi foundation responded is where the issue came in they they were a little toned
up and they began you know banning people and I guess reacting in a way that was not what we
would expect from an organization so it it just poured gasoline on a very small fire they could have
just ignored it and it would have went away I mean who cares they they just hired some guy out there
you know yeah exactly right I think and they yeah they hired this guy and then they posted on
master on kind of a a little bit bragging about his background for it ever reason and then
some people complained and then yeah it could have just been left at that and probably there
had been no big deal but yeah I share your view that the bigger problem was their response to it and
then it just showed but what was there was also like a you know they they seemed to make a
commitment to not moderating things and then that would be a reason for people to defederate
their instances that right yeah I heard a little bit about that that part I did not dig into but
I did see a couple of threats to space themselves from the Raspberry Pi my biggest issue wasn't
the the hire itself but what the hire brings with it because I don't this guy is from an understanding
is not a developer he didn't deploy the pie in some new way that's gonna allow them to bring
wider adoption instead I believe he just has a lot of contacts he's like a networking hire you
hire him because he's gonna put you in contact with a bunch of other sales that's what I feel like
his hire really was because other than that what else is he bringing to the table they talk about
years of experience that does nothing I mean to think the the enthusiast that built the Raspberry
Pi brand to up to where it is today have done ten times more with this guy's ever done you know
he's done his drill little hole in the lamp stuck a camera in it and connected to a pie
probably follow the form you saw online that's nothing new so where did you get that view from about
um it being a networking hire I just put it all together in my head I didn't find any
information to support my beliefs on that I just thought of it and said it here today okay yeah I
didn't I didn't yeah I didn't think of that I guess I didn't really read much about it but I don't know
I thought the yeah people were yeah I mean I think people should be able to you know whatever you
think about the police people should be able to hire former police officers I don't think people
who go into the career should necessarily then have no other career options they you know whatever
anyone thinks about the police people are you know generally and we should believe that people
can change so that shouldn't be a big deal I do not like those broad brush where you just look at
a group of people or an industry or anything an automatically classify the entire thing as bad
therefore all of the good that has been done is now you know tainted that is that leads to things
like racism and other just parts of our culture that I want to avoid so whenever I see people
take that radical uh perspective you just go all cops are bad no I just can't support that yeah
it seemed to me like that kind of thing was maybe what drove the initial um criticism of the
post yeah I believe so I I think for them to redeem themselves first of all they're going to have
to do something about this whole promise they've made to support businesses and just leave their
I think they supported the businesses 90 with 90% of the products that they have and only
allowed like 10% to go out to consumers causing this you know just love-sided shift the scalpers
have product but the enthusiast the the people who are actually learning any in the environment
we don't have the products that we want and we have no choice but to even consider buying a 35
dollar Raspberry Pi 4 for $200 you know I mean it's just it's nightmarish and crazy to know that they
would make such a decision and stand by for so long yeah that's a bigger controversy really um
I didn't know that there had been this intentional shift like that so the trouble too is that
then it exposes us to to like counterfeits and stuff um like that yeah it's a ton of it out there
now but one of the good things I've seen from it I've been looking at uh somebody other single
board computers that's been coming out I believe uh with the other one I think it's called like the
rock chip or something like that that they've uh been dropping some new uh SBCs uh watch a YouTube channel
called um prime optimist prime no not optimist prime it's prime something but uh he he does a lot
of you know small form factor gaming PCs and things and he's show off a lot of uh like game
emulators some things at that nature the old NES super NES and etc and he does a lot of it on the
small single board computers he's been showing off some really good ones and I've also heard
about the pine tab coming out I'm very interested in the pine wells the pine tab too I'm very
interested in that because the first one was only available for what felt like five minutes and
then you couldn't get them anymore is that a tablet yeah uh because pine has been doing lots of
work to build their uh store with you know dig at the pine watching the pine buds the pine note
and of course there was the pine book in the pine book pro with the pine phone so there's a lot
of development around it so I'm hoping the documentation and everything's also caught up
I think the pine tab's gonna be a wonderful device I'd love to be able to carry a tablet around
and you know just a small lightweight Linux device I'm not too crazy about it being armed because
the inconsistency with the different arm you know uh architectures it it causes a small problem
I heard about them creating like generic arm um ISOs or images or whatever that can run on any arm
CPU but I don't know how it's gonna work on these smaller devices yeah I don't know anything
about that either have a risk five you uh you didn't need studying or looking up on risk five
nope don't know anything about that either I just know that it's I do know that it's pronounced
risk five and not risk be so I'm there yeah I follow it a little bit but because I'm not
deep into that side of the community all I can do is kind of look on it with question marks above
my head but that's that's all I've got I know it's out there and there's a lot of enthusiasm about
it I do hear a lot of speculation about it though they they talk about it being uh the divider
between uh what you call it the AMD and Intel so you're gonna get a new uh freedom respecting platform
that you use in the future or that that's the whole thing anyway okay so can you give us like uh
how did you say the 500 foot or meter view of what risk five is sure I can give you one it'll be
very poor but I can definitely give it to you that's the one I want yeah so basically it's uh you got
your the two x86 systems that everybody knows that's the Intel and the AMD well risk five is just
a new player in the game from understanding and there are no restrictions on it at the moment
somewhat like arm but more freedom respecting right now there's I mean if you wanted to go power
PC you could but I mean it's gonna put you back in the same boat you're locked into somebody else's
platform but then there's also risk five which is very open it's it's it's like the uh I would
compare it to in the encoder world how you have the Nvidia encoders it was the new one AV one
that's coming out now how AV one is like the freedom respecting one that everybody wants now so
that way you don't have to rely on Nvidia anymore I would kind of refer to like that that's what
um that's what risk five is like AV one yeah okay yeah it's a similar thing to the you're talking
about the code X there the the image code X right that some of them are um not free uh which would
be the reason Google creator VPA and then VP nine in response to AVC also known as H264 and then
H265 but um yeah I think I read a while back that the reason Apple created its own architecture
was because of the licensing thing with uh because of the or because they didn't want to use um
arm processor so okay from what you said risk five is like an open kind of a definition of an
architecture of a processor architecture and then so that then companies are able to build
um processors that are compatible with each other right so but is there a company that will
that has um you know committed to using it or is this one of those standards that are gonna
remain just a standard I think it's gonna be just a standard for a while because there's a lot more
development that has to be done with it but it's moving from what I hear it's moving very quickly
and especially seeing more companies once you see more hardware appear I think that's a very
big sign so when we saw a pine come out with that smaller arm device I mean that's that's telling
me that this thing is much closer than we think now I'm assuming that only major companies are
gonna have any actual usable devices for a while like you probably hear about some
risk five servers or something being deployed testing out but you won't find anything like on a
desktop computer anytime soon okay that's cool so yeah I would invite listeners to who know more
about risk five about for example why a company would want to build a processor following that
standard or what else we might be getting wrong about risk five we could use a show about that
because there's a lot of interest in the topic I think right definitely definitely especially after
hearing you know what you know what should it definitely make you want to do a show after hearing
me butcher that explanation you should definitely want to do a show yeah I think this is something
that you and I could specialize in we just get together and we just misconceive everything we can
for about 30 minutes and left people post their response shows I'll try to think of some topics
that I know nothing about and then we'll get on mom that sounds about right just grab a handful
of topics and be like okay you know I heard about it and then I'll speculate on what I think it is
I love that yeah my fact here here's a good one as well um you you want to know how to convert
your code from x86 to R okay how do I do it at the top of your code you just write R equals true
yeah yeah that makes sense that should work right then the computer will see it read and be like yeah
okay R is true yeah yeah the very first line just just like in a bash script how you you tell
the bash the computer how to interpret the script yeah you just write R equals true right there and
you're you're good to go all right yeah see that's why we need open standards so you can just say
R equals true and everything is going to be all right yeah it worked perfectly fine you can try
today on any code you have just going to get hub grabs some haskell or some rust whatever and just
write that in there and run it everywhere now if it doesn't work I urge you to contact D&T he'll be
able to assist you further with that for I have no idea what to do after that yeah I'll send you
right along to somewhere else to see if you can find the answer if this doesn't solve your problem
we can send them to black colonel yeah I think that would be my first try yeah black colonel he's an
amazing developer he he writes code and rust so that obviously means he knows more than anybody else
and he did a show telling can that he was wrong in math and explained what was it about axioms
and all that other stuff great show listen to it and that's why you'll know you have to go to
black colonel yeah I agree just go look up just go look at go to hackapolicread.org go to the full
episode guide and there should just do control f back but only check out some of those shows there
there's some good stuff another thing I know about him is that he he really doesn't like those
terminal file managers he really hates that I'm some guy on the internet here with D&T
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