[Hpr] Removing any show

Fifty OneFifty fiftyonefifty at linuxbasement.com
Thu Oct 11 12:50:41 PDT 2012


At the risk of digging a deeper hole for myself, I thought I'd again like
to clarify my comments in regard to the lag between show submission and
release.  I was just expressing that had I been feeling no great urgency in
creating new content as I knew a had a comfortable backlog of submissions
that remained in the queue.  Now that the urgency is upon us, I will have
to get to work. I apologize if I gave the impression I thought my
submissions were treated unfairly under the rules.  I guess I also didn't
realize the queue was moving at a faster rate than it was a few weeks ago.
I don't know that now is the time to reject any content until the queue
gets back to 20 or more shows.

At the risk of sounding contradictory, I also suggested to Ken we do a
monthly "blast from the past" and air a BinRev, RFA, or similar shows from
that era.

5150

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>    4. Re: Vote on removing non HPR shows. (dg)
>    5. Re: Hpr Digest, Vol 49, Issue 8 (Patrick Dailey)
>    6. Re: Vote on removing non HPR shows. (Stephen Ward)
>    7. Another Way (Stephen Michael Kellat)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 07:14:18 -0400
> From: dg <dg at deepgeek.us>
> To: hpr at hackerpublicradio.org
> Subject: Re: [Hpr] Vote on removing non HPR shows.
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> OK, set up two straw polls. Use if you please
>
> http://strawpoll.me/4168
> http://strawpoll.me/4169
>
> One is on format, the other on whether or not to fold into thursday.
> You can pick "fold into thursday" as well as an option to limit to
> once or twice per month.
>
> I have an abstain option, which I picked for both
>
> yours,
> ---
> DeepGeek
>
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 06:58:47 -0400 dg
> <dg at deepgeek.us> wrote:
>
> > Don't feel your stabbing me in the back, Ken. Like I said, I'm
> > flattered to be listened to as much as possible and as much as I have
> > been. It's a labor of love for me, as I am really under the impression
> > that if I don't do a newscast a lot of stuff will never come to light.
> >  If the community needs me to be in the thursday que, it's fine. I
> > think most people who like my newscast probably subscribed by now at
> > my website.
> >
> > The thing is, I just don't know if there would be a desire to have my
> > whole news cast (world + tech) in HPR. I would really like to know
> > that. And again, if it all means less of my show in HPR, while I would
> > prefer to be in, if I had a group of dedicated listeners who wanted me
> > to produce a separate feed of just the tech show, I would gladly do
> > that.
> >
> > To say this another way, I have no idea as to whether or not the hpr
> > community would be interested in the world news segment I don't
> > release to the hpr feed. It's like, maybe they would like it, maybe
> > they wouldn't. I really don't know. So maybe a dozen of my whole show
> > per year  would be preferred by the hpr community, and if that's the
> > case, well OK then, we can do that.  I really need a little "market
> > research," to borrow a phrase from the corporate types.
> >
> > yours,
> > ---
> > DeepGeek
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:29:12 +0200
> > Ken Fallon <ken.fallon at gmail.com> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > ---------------------------------------
> > > TGTM News Tech Edition.
> > >
> > > Strictly speaking the content is not generated for HPR so it would
> > > not classify as a dedicated series like LiTS is. The shows we put
> > > out from the Full circle are edited specifically for HPR yet are
> > > still in the Thursday feed. So at a minimum TGTM News should be
> > > moved to the Thursday feed. Other shows like KnightWise are also in
> > > the Thursday feed but we don't carry all their shows either.
> > > Therefore I suggest carrying TGTM News on the Thursday feed and
> > > scheduling them as per the Thursday rules, releasing the most
> > > current show at the time. While it feels like I'm stabbing a friend
> > > in the back, I have to admit that I don't listen to the HPR edition
> > > of TGTM News as I am already subscribed to the main feed.
> >
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:16:07 +0200
> From: Ken Fallon <ken.fallon at gmail.com>
> To: hpr at hackerpublicradio.org
> Subject: Re: [Hpr] Vote on removing non HPR shows.
> Message-ID: <20121011131607.34b117f8 at dell>
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> On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 06:58:47 -0400
> dg <dg at deepgeek.us> wrote:
>
> > The thing is, I just don't know if there would be a desire to have my
> > whole news cast (world + tech) in HPR. I would really like to know
> > that.
>
> I say include the entire thing as it's "of interest to hackers". I
> don't understand where you get the idea that HPR has a problem with
> the political content. The original RFA and BinRev were clear that
> there should be political discussion.
>
> That's not to say I agree with or endorse the views you present in your
> show in any way, I find it a bit right wing for my liking :). And it's
> important to note that HPR will provide the same opportunity for anyone
> who wishes to present counter arguments.
>
> It's called "free speech" - bring it on.
>
> Ken.
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 07:23:00 -0400
> From: dg <dg at deepgeek.us>
> To: hpr at hackerpublicradio.org
> Subject: Re: [Hpr] Vote on removing non HPR shows.
> Message-ID: <20121011072300.6c82f516 at squeeze0212.slc5.com>
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> <ROFLMAO> Well, Ken, That is probably the first and last time I will
> ever be likened to being "right wing!!!!
>
> ---
> DG
>
>
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:16:07 +0200
> Ken Fallon <ken.fallon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 06:58:47 -0400
> > dg <dg at deepgeek.us> wrote:
> >
> > > The thing is, I just don't know if there would be a desire to have
> > > my whole news cast (world + tech) in HPR. I would really like to
> > > know that.
> >
> > I say include the entire thing as it's "of interest to hackers". I
> > don't understand where you get the idea that HPR has a problem with
> > the political content. The original RFA and BinRev were clear that
> > there should be political discussion.
> >
> > That's not to say I agree with or endorse the views you present in
> > your show in any way, I find it a bit right wing for my liking :).
> > And it's important to note that HPR will provide the same opportunity
> > for anyone who wishes to present counter arguments.
> >
> > It's called "free speech" - bring it on.
> >
> > Ken.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 07:42:12 -0400
> From: dg <dg at deepgeek.us>
> To: hpr at hackerpublicradio.org
> Subject: Re: [Hpr] Vote on removing non HPR shows.
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> By the way, I'm a Gregorian calendar geek as well, so I wanted to spell
> it out for all of you...
>
> We currently have 33 tgtms per year and 52 syndicated thursdays per
> year.
>
> Keeping tgtm on friday, but limiting it to twice/month means 11 more
> slots in the schedule.
>
> Keeping tgtm on friday, but limiting it to once/month means 22 more
> slots in the schedule.
>
> moving tgtm to thursday frees 33 slots per year, but limits other
> thursday content to 19 shows/year.
>
> moving tgtm to thursday and limiting to twice/month, frees 33 slots per
> year, but limits other thursday content to 30 shows/year.
>
> moving tgtm to thursday frees 33 slots per year, but limits other
> thursday content to 41 shows/year.
>
> If your wondering why things happen in elevens, I will be taking a
> month off per year.
>
> yours,, with way too much detail,
> ---
> DeepGeek
>
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 07:14:18 -0400
> dg <dg at deepgeek.us> wrote:
>
> > OK, set up two straw polls. Use if you please
> >
> > http://strawpoll.me/4168
> > http://strawpoll.me/4169
> >
> > One is on format, the other on whether or not to fold into thursday.
> > You can pick "fold into thursday" as well as an option to limit to
> > once or twice per month.
> >
> > I have an abstain option, which I picked for both
> >
> > yours,
> > ---
> > DeepGeek
> >
> > On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 06:58:47 -0400 dg
> > <dg at deepgeek.us> wrote:
> >
> > > Don't feel your stabbing me in the back, Ken. Like I said, I'm
> > > flattered to be listened to as much as possible and as much as I
> > > have been. It's a labor of love for me, as I am really under the
> > > impression that if I don't do a newscast a lot of stuff will never
> > > come to light. If the community needs me to be in the thursday que,
> > > it's fine. I think most people who like my newscast probably
> > > subscribed by now at my website.
> > >
> > > The thing is, I just don't know if there would be a desire to have
> > > my whole news cast (world + tech) in HPR. I would really like to
> > > know that. And again, if it all means less of my show in HPR, while
> > > I would prefer to be in, if I had a group of dedicated listeners
> > > who wanted me to produce a separate feed of just the tech show, I
> > > would gladly do that.
> > >
> > > To say this another way, I have no idea as to whether or not the hpr
> > > community would be interested in the world news segment I don't
> > > release to the hpr feed. It's like, maybe they would like it, maybe
> > > they wouldn't. I really don't know. So maybe a dozen of my whole
> > > show per year  would be preferred by the hpr community, and if
> > > that's the case, well OK then, we can do that.  I really need a
> > > little "market research," to borrow a phrase from the corporate
> > > types.
> > >
> > > yours,
> > > ---
> > > DeepGeek
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:29:12 +0200
> > > Ken Fallon <ken.fallon at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > [snip]
> > > > ---------------------------------------
> > > > TGTM News Tech Edition.
> > > >
> > > > Strictly speaking the content is not generated for HPR so it would
> > > > not classify as a dedicated series like LiTS is. The shows we put
> > > > out from the Full circle are edited specifically for HPR yet are
> > > > still in the Thursday feed. So at a minimum TGTM News should be
> > > > moved to the Thursday feed. Other shows like KnightWise are also
> > > > in the Thursday feed but we don't carry all their shows either.
> > > > Therefore I suggest carrying TGTM News on the Thursday feed and
> > > > scheduling them as per the Thursday rules, releasing the most
> > > > current show at the time. While it feels like I'm stabbing a
> > > > friend in the back, I have to admit that I don't listen to the
> > > > HPR edition of TGTM News as I am already subscribed to the main
> > > > feed.
> > >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:19:19 -0400
> From: Patrick Dailey <pdailey03 at gmail.com>
> To: hpr at hackerpublicradio.org
> Subject: Re: [Hpr] Hpr Digest, Vol 49, Issue 8
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> I was ignorant of the difficulties of automating show release, and do not
> want to create any more work for anyone, *especially *Ken. I withdraw that
> suggestion. My thanks to Ken, for spelling it out clearly. Ken, you've
> probably explained it before, but I'm thick headed sometimes. My apologies
> for pressing an issue that should be dead.
>
> Frank: I agree that it's hard to come up with a topic that you can be
> confident in. I don't know what to do about that other than to send people
> positive feedback so they know that we like them and their topics.
>
> Deepgeek: I guess I'll have to go subscribe to TGTM news. I LOVE your tech
> segments. I'll let you know what I think of the world news when I've had
> some time to form an opinion.
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> --
> Thank You,
> Patrick Dailey
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> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:32:10 +0200
> From: Stephen Ward <aukondk at aukondk.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Hpr] Vote on removing non HPR shows.
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> If nothing else the activity on the mailing list has prompted me to knuckle
> down and finish scripting some shows. One is ready to record (about The
> Doctor Who Restoration Team) and I'm sure I can get another ready this
> week.
>
> It's been just over a year since my first submitted show, the first went on
> the feed immediately as I was new and the second went out the day after I
> submitted as the queue was empty. The third took 2 and a half months to get
> on the feed which was great because it showed how much more content there
> was, but it did knock the enthusiasm back a bit.
>
> I'm wracking my brains for something useful to say. As a listener I tend to
> skip the syndicated shows and the newscast just because I've been 2 or 3
> weeks behind with my podcasts all year. I wouldn't say get rid of
> non-exclusive shows but I would say to lose the dedicated
> day. Prioritize the new content and syndicate shows only to pad out an
> emptying queue, along with an appeal for shows tagged on the beginning.
> I've just noticed the queue is pretty short right now, eep!
>
> Slightly offtopic but I worry that the shows don't get a whole lot of
> feedback. The odd comment on the blog feed but until the community news
> episode each month most show get no commentary at all. No idea if that's
> something that can be fixed or if it's just me. Even just the equivalent of
> a "like" or "+1" button on the episode just to know the episode
> is appreciated could encourage more submissions.
>
> AukonDK
> --
> Stephen Ward
> Admin - aukondk.com
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> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:39:47 -0400
> From: Stephen Michael Kellat <smkellat at yahoo.com>
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> Subject: [Hpr] Another Way
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> As the Head Writer at Erie Looking Productions, I'm already responsible
> for preparing /LISTen: An LISNews.org Program/ and /Ubuntu Ohio --
> Burning Circle/ weekly.  When we submit to Hacker Public Radio, we
> submit content that we haven't aired on either other program.  The realm
> for /LISTen/ is dealing with the world of Library & Information Science
> which can all too often look from the outside like the Wizarding World
> created by J.K. Rowling while /Burning Circle/ deals with *buntu matters
> within the 17th largest state where the LoCo's members are very
> dispersed geographically.  We've been producing actively since
> mid-November 2007.  Initially we thought we'd never go past 6 episodes
> of /LISTen/ and now almost five years later...
>
> We've got one show submitted to HPR.  Others are hoped to follow.  My
> producer and engineer won't allow me to recycle stuff into HPR without
> really exceptional cause.
>
> That being said, perhaps we do need to set aside an editorial panel or
> something else to help bring people into the fold and mentor them.  From
> experience as a stringer in newspaper reporting, you gotta have some
> connection to stay in the game so you don't drift off.  The stringers
> had a variety of beats that didn't necessarily intersect but we all had
> one editor that held us together.  Whether it is a Panel of Mentors, The
> Cabal of Helpfulness, or what have you...we need it.
>
> Here's a couple topics ideas for the future:
>
> 1.  HOWTO Cook for yourself.  Basic recipes for the single hacker in the
> age of economic insanity. (Repeatable)
> 2.  Building your own in-house NTP server using a radio tuned to CHU,
> WWV, or other equivalent time service beacon
>
> Stephen Michael Kellat
> Head Writer, Erie Looking Productions
> http://erielookingproductions.info
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