[Hpr] Hpr Digest, Vol 49, Issue 15

Ken Fallon ken.fallon at gmail.com
Mon Oct 15 13:59:56 PDT 2012


Hi 5150,

This is not the first time and definitely wont be the last time that
this topic has been discussed. I am very glad that you have pointed
out a failing of the currently agreed rules for posting shows. No less
than three shows posted in the last week made mention of "upcoming
events" that had well and truly passed. These hosts had a reasonable
expectation of when their show would be posted and we missed that by
several months in some cases. So the rules as agreed on this list and
described here http://hackerpublicradio.org/calendar.php are not
working in their current form.

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Fifty OneFifty
<fiftyonefifty at linuxbasement.com> wrote:
> Since I am partially responsible for starting the debate on the list on how
> to revise scheduling, I didn't want to weigh in until I thought I could
> propose a simple solution.  There has been a lot of great thought put into
> what's been proposed but some of it has seemed unnecessarily convoluted to
> me.
We could also release shows as we get them but that will result in a
feast and famine situation, that in my opinion, doesn't build trust in
the network. So if we are going to regulate the release of shows then
we need rules not guidelines. Hacker Public Radio is a peer network
where every member has the same say as anyone else. It's important
therefore that the shows are released based on a transparent set of
rules that are documented and that are not seen to be favouring
anyone. So two years ago we decided on a set of fair rules and we
documented that and we post according to those rules. That way no
matter who posts the next show (human or machine) it is posted because
of a queueing order decided by the HPR community and not by personal
preference.

>
> What I would put forward instead is a goal (not a hard and fast rule, to
> give us flexibility) that in a given four week period, at least ten shows
> should be draw from the regular queue.  The window wouldn't have to be
> sliding, that is to say if the last two weeks in July are dominated by
> interviews and talks from SELF, and the first two weeks of August is all
> stuff from Oggcamp,that would be OK as long as the first two weeks of July
> and the last two of August had a "normal" amount of shows from the "regular"
> feed, and I'm not arguing to bump LItS or TGTM to make it happen.  (For a
> while, it seemed we were lucky if shows in the regular feed moved up once a
> week.)  Ten shows doesn't even have to be a hard and fast rule, especially
> if we have syndicated content waiting and the contributor queue is getting
> short.  I think this will also promote variety in the feed.

I would like to hear everyones suggestion on how we can improve the
scheduling rules but remember that when you formulate them, that given
the same set of input, the output should be identical no matter who or
what processed it.

>
> Second, on Atom format for the show notes. I think asking for manual HTML
> encoding in the show notes (as opposed to "save as html") may discourage
> some contributors with only basic web development skills  (is there an
> WYSIWYG edit that saves in that format?) or who might skip notes altogether
> when they are short on time.  I think this is something I could learn, if
> only someone could record a tutorial :)

The atom format will only be used by people wanting to submit their
own custom atom feed. The intention is to have a html form on the
website, and it is this form that would fill in the atom xml. You
should be able to paste in your html shownotes in there and have it
convert it to atom xml.

>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>>    1. images (sigflup synasloble)
>>    2. Re: images (Dave Morriss)
>>    3. Re: Please send in more shows (Patrick Dailey)
>>    4. Re: images (Ken Fallon)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:11:31 -0500
>> From: sigflup synasloble <pantsbutt at gmail.com>
>> To: hpr at hackerpublicradio.org
>> Subject: [Hpr] images
>> Message-ID:
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>> What's the best way to include images in show notes?
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>> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 00:19:04 +0100
>> From: Dave Morriss <dave.morriss at gmail.com>
>> To: hpr at hackerpublicradio.org
>> Subject: Re: [Hpr] images
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>> On 14/10/12 00:11, sigflup synasloble wrote:
>> > What's the best way to include images in show notes?
>>
>> I used txt2tags (http://txt2tags.org/) at Ken's recommendation. I then
>> created images and their thumbnails and included them thus:
>>
>> [[./thumb.NERDTree.png] ./NERDTree.png]
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> --
>> David Morriss, Scotland, UK | Dave.Morriss at gmail.com
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:43:49 -0400
>> From: Patrick Dailey <pdailey03 at gmail.com>
>> To: hpr at hackerpublicradio.org
>> Subject: Re: [Hpr] Please send in more shows
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> In addition to what Ken said here, I'll add that collaborative shows are a
>> great way to participate. If your sound system is working well enough for
>> you to record your voice into Audacity, then it's very likely that Mumble
>> will just work for you. The very cool people over at Linux Basix (
>> www.linuxbasix.com ) have made their mumble server available to us, and
>> even have a dedicated HPR room on there. Look for the section titled
>> "Mumble settings" in the lower right hand part of the page for the server
>> details.
>>
>> You could do a show with a friend regardless of where in the world either
>> of you are, and there are probably dozens of experienced HPR hosts who
>> would be willing to do a collaborative show with a first time host. I know
>> I'm always up for doing a show that I don't have to edit. For me
>> podcasting
>> is a lot of fun, but it's always more fun when I'm sharing it.
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>
>> > From: Ken Fallon <ken at fallon.ie>
>> > To: hpr at hackerpublicradio.org
>> > Cc:
>> > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:01:02 +0200
>> > Subject: [Hpr] Please send in more shows
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > Speaking with Pokey, I think the message has been diluted so let me ask
>> > again.
>> >
>> > "PLEASE SEND IN MORE SHOWS"
>> >
>> > We need you to send in 'regular' priority shows.
>> >
>> > We need you to send in 'backup' shows that we can put out when we are
>> > low. Just add the priority you're happy with in the show notes.
>> >
>> > Anyone that can't think of a show topic, contact us via the links
>> > on the main page and we'll find something for you to talk about.
>> >
>> > Ken.
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thank You,
>> Patrick Dailey
>>
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>> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 09:43:54 +0200
>> From: Ken Fallon <ken.fallon at gmail.com>
>> To: hpr at hackerpublicradio.org
>> Subject: Re: [Hpr] images
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>> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 00:19:04 +0100
>> Dave Morriss <dave.morriss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On 14/10/12 00:11, sigflup synasloble wrote:
>> > > What's the best way to include images in show notes?
>>
>> The goal is to have everyone supply the show notes in Atom format.
>> -------------------------------
>> (http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/)
>> <title>, <summary>, <content>, and <rights> contain human-readable
>> text, usually in small quantities. The type attribute determines how
>> this information is encoded (default="text")
>>
>> If type="text", then this element contains plain text with no entity
>> escaped html.
>>
>> <title type="text">AT&T bought by SBC!</title>
>> If type="html", then this element contains entity escaped html.
>>
>> <title type="html">
>>   AT&amp;T bought <b>by SBC</b>!
>> </title>
>> If type="xhtml", then this element contains inline xhtml, wrapped in a
>> div element.
>>
>> <title type="xhtml">
>>   <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
>>     AT&T bought <b>by SBC</b>!
>>   </div>
>> </title>
>> -------------------------------
>>
>> So depending on the one type you pick for the summary element, the
>> encoding will change. However it should be a regular html image link.
>> http://www.tizag.com/htmlT/images.php
>>
>> Keep the images in the same directory and don't use any path.
>> <img src="big-xyz.jpg" alt="Photo of XYZ" title="XYZ">
>>
>> Although optional, skipping the "alt" tag is not advised or teams of
>> Accessibility ninjas will descend on you. Just saying.
>>
>> Whither you attach thumbnails or not is up to you. Probably best to
>> send in the highest quality original and let downstream systems handle
>> the thumbnails.
>>
>> >
>> > I used txt2tags (http://txt2tags.org/) at Ken's recommendation. I then
>> > created images and their thumbnails and included them thus:
>> >
>> > [[./thumb.NERDTree.png] ./NERDTree.png]
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>>
>> Ahh yes I've been meaning to talk to you about that :)
>> txt2tags is fine if you don't know html, but it will add an additional
>> processing step and that means a delay in getting it processed. So if
>> you know basic (x)html use that. If you're only using one link then use
>> TXT and the link tag. Avoid using javascript as that will definitely put
>> you in the "this will need to be checked" corner.
>>
>> Ken.
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