[Hpr] 2013-14 New Years 24-hour show

Kevin Wisher kevin.wisher at gmail.com
Fri Nov 8 11:30:02 PST 2013


We're down to a little over 7 weeks to go until Dec. 31. I think the big
question is do we want to switch Mumble servers? My vote is that it's worth
a try.

I can provide a streaming bot and a IceCast server as I did last year.


On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:33 PM, George <sndchaser at cerebralrift.org> wrote:

> Oh, you meant the server.  I cornfuzzled that with the OpenSpeak Project:
> http://freecode.com/projects/openspeak and https://www.ohloh.net/p/
> openspeak
>
> George
>
>
> On 2013-10-17 11:22, Kevin Wisher wrote:
>
>> It's part of the Linux Basix/PodNutz network.
>>
>> http://linuxbasix.com/ [2] : look on the right-hand side for the
>>
>> server details.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:20 PM, George <sndchaser at cerebralrift.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  That's excellent news...
>>>
>>> Hmm, I'm looking for OpenSpeak, but I don't see it out there
>>> anymore.  Looks like the project went away around April of 2009.
>>>  Does anyone know if it was forked, or someone else is maintaining
>>> it?
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>> On 2013-10-17 08:53, Kevin Wisher wrote:
>>> My test streaming bot was connected to my Mumble server in a "room"
>>> and never timed out for 24 hours. So I'm pretty sure this issue is
>>> specific to the openspeak server.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:31 PM, George
>>> <sndchaser at cerebralrift.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd think there are really two tests that need to happen:
>>>
>>> (1) Setup IceCast with IceS and see what it would take to do
>>> various types of transcodes.  IE, what if the relay stream is
>>> 128/64/48K transcoded to 64/48/32K.  (Can we go lower with the
>>> relay stream or the public stream?  Do we want to try Opus?)
>>>  Probably want to get an idea of the hardware baselines, and the
>>> CPU load, memory usage, and if there's any detectable lag due to
>>> the
>>> transcoding.
>>>
>>> (2) Setup an IceCast server as a relay server, and test to see how
>>> many relays can be handled, and if there is any detectable lag
>>> between the relay streams.
>>>
>>> I'll take one of my servers this weekend and see if I can get
>>> IceCast set up and do some testing as well.  Hopefully we can
>>> start
>>> getting some baselines and decent profiles of what this is going to
>>> require.  IMO - assuming that the transcoding isn't horrendous,
>>> I'd
>>> bet the requirements / overhead aren't all that bad.
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>> On 2013-10-16 17:07, cobra2 wrote:
>>>
>>> I'll get ices running on my two servers if that's what is required.
>>> CPU power shouldn't be an issue. It'll be the same two servers I
>>> donated last year.
>>>
>>> Dave Lee <dave at thelovebug.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a mumble server that gets used weekly and is really
>>> reliable.  It's never been volume or load tested however.
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to donate use of that server for the show.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Sent from my mobile device.
>>> Please excuse my brevity and any typos.
>>> On 16 Oct 2013 13:45, "Kevin Wisher" <kevin.wisher at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The two streaming bots actually provided some redundancy as I
>>> believe at one point last year one of the bots quit working. So
>>> IMHO
>>> we should leave it as is from last year. The biggest issue was the
>>> bots timing out and dropping out of the HPR room. I believe this
>>> issue will be resolved by using another Mumble server where the
>>> owner/admin has full root privileges to the server.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:30 AM, cobra2 <cobra2 at cctracker.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Stock android has no issues with streaming ogg from version 2.3 and
>>> up. I would think that it would be safe to drop the mp3 stream.
>>> Unless there is just one person who needs the mp3 stream, I motion
>>> to drop it in favor of ogg and technical simplicity.
>>>
>>> --cobra2
>>>
>>> Kevin Wisher <kevin.wisher at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The reason for the 2 streaming bots was one was streaming mp3 and
>>> the other was streaming ogg. IIRC, we had multiple icecast servers
>>> for each format of stream and that worked just fine. If all
>>> involved
>>> believe one format of stream is all we need, then I agree with your
>>> idea.
>>>
>>> Kwisher
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:29 PM, George
>>> <sndchaser at cerebralrift.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> So, I've been thinking about this a bit since we were talking in
>>> IRC about the problems from last year with the "bots" connecting to
>>> each of the streaming servers.  Since we have some time, and Bert
>>> just said he has an IceCast server, I thought I might suggest a
>>> different architecture...
>>>
>>> Basically, instead of having a "bot" for each of the stream
>>> servers, have just one bot feeding one of the IceCast servers, and
>>> configured that server as a relay server to the others...  So
>>> instead the layout would look something like this:
>>>
>>> [Mumble Clients / VoiP] -> [Murmur Server] ->[IceCast Relay
>>> Server]-|
>>>          (Relays From IceCast Server to Public Streams)
>>>         |
>>>
>>> |----------|-----------|----------|-----------------<-------------|
>>> [Stream 1] [Stream 2] [Stream 3] [Stream 4]
>>>   |            |         |          |
>>>   |------------|---------|----------|----<-----[Load Balancer /
>>> Front End]
>>>
>>> This would simplify things a bit by only needing one bot to be on
>>> the Murmur server, which could be set up so more people have access
>>> to restart it in case it messes up.  Granted it becomes a single
>>> point of failure, but last year the problem was that we had several
>>> bots that only certain people had access to.  This way we can have
>>> one bot that we can have 5 or 6 people be able to restart.
>>>
>>> The IceCast Relay Server would be (at least to my way of thinking)
>>> a private server only serving the function of relaying to the other
>>> stream servers.
>>>
>>> Anyway, just tossing this out there for discussion.
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>> On 2013-10-14 18:31, Bert Yerke wrote:
>>>
>>> I still have the icecast server configured from last year. I'll
>>> have it going
>>> for you.
>>>
>>> Bert
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 14, 2013 05:27:52 PM Kevin Wisher wrote:
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> We are roughly around 10 weeks away from the next 24-hour New
>>> Year's show.
>>> This a call out for all parties who are interested in helping with
>>> this
>>> year's show. We mainly need to make arrangements for a Mumble
>>> server and a
>>> few streaming servers. If you have any of these resources available
>>> then
>>> please send me your name, email address, available resources, and
>>> a
>>> day/time that is convenient for you to meet on-line on a Mumble
>>> server for
>>> organizational purposes.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Kwisher on IRC
>>>
>>> kevin dot wisher at gmail dot com
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