[Hpr] Hpr Digest, Vol 69, Issue 3

Fifty OneFifty fiftyonefifty at linuxbasement.com
Tue Jun 3 19:06:41 PDT 2014


I think it could help to encourage people to contribute shows, if they
knew approximately X people would download them.

5150

On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 2:00 PM,  <hpr-request at hackerpublicradio.org> wrote:
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>    1.  We should publish the HPR downloads stats (in some form)
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>    2. Re: Should we publish the HPR downloads stats ?
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> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 12:31:07 -0400
> From: epicanis+hpr at dogphilosophy.net
> To: hpr at hackerpublicradio.org
> Subject: [Hpr]  We should publish the HPR downloads stats (in some
>         form)
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> On Monday, June 02, 2014 01:38:26 PM Ken Fallon wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Should we include the number of downloads an episode gets on the website ?
>>
>> Some points to note:
>> - The logs are generated every month so it would be from month to month.
>> - hits are defined as 1 download per show per ip per day.
>>
>> We don't have any logs before Sep-2010 so do we
>> a) ignore shows before that date even though they have been downloaded
>> since then ?
>> b) calculate some guesstimate for a base and add the downloads we do
>> know about.
>>
>> My own main objection to doing this is that downloads are not a measure
>> of worth of the show.
>>
>> Discuss.
>
> I would suggest yes, though that's partly because I tend to always lean
> towards having more information more readily available for just about any
> context anyway. I'd even be interested in seeing both "downloaded" and
> "listened from the web page" if it's possible to meaningfully estimate this
> distinction. (I would assume both would show up in a total count of the log
> anyway, but I'm not sure how feasible it would be to track those separately
> unless we can assume a useful majority of downloaders send a "referer"
> header.)
>
> If not directly on the website, I would be very interested in having some way
> to examine that information myself (i.e. if we don't want to put the number on
> each episode's page, it would be nice to at least have downloads-per-episode
> data updated regularly and posted somewhere for download and examination).
> The more detailed, the better (it would be interesting to see if some shows
> have a "spike" in downloads sometime after release due to being mentioned
> somewhere else, for example).
>
> I'd hypothesize that the main drivers of initial downloads would be the
> apparent subject (as expressed by the title), followed by the show notes.
> ("Show Quality" can only affect downloads from referrals after release, since
> you obviously have to download it to find out what the quality is like).
>
> Having the data would (I further hypothesize) help a lot with "marketing" of
> HPR by helping me and anyone else who's interested to figure out what kinds of
> titles and what kinds of show-note information makes a show more likely to be
> downloaded (plus what kinds of topics attract the most attention.) In the long
> run, this might help "market" HPR better overall, attract an even bigger
> audience, and by extension, more contributors, eventually culminating in
> growing political power and wealth until the HPR elites destroy the world over
> an argument regarding which among them get to rule Australia. (I may be
> getting a little carried away there, but you get the idea.)
>
> I'll even go a step further and say if the information is made available we
> can get at least one HPR episode out of analysing it (possibly more than one
> if anyone is interested in collaborating).
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> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 12:36:52 -0400
> From: epicanis+hpr at dogphilosophy.net
> To: hpr at hackerpublicradio.org
> Subject: Re: [Hpr] Should we publish the HPR downloads stats ?
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> On Monday, June 02, 2014 01:38:26 PM Ken Fallon wrote:
> [...]
>> We don't have any logs before Sep-2010 so do we
>> a) ignore shows before that date even though they have been downloaded
>> since then ?
>> b) calculate some guesstimate for a base and add the downloads we do
>> know about.
>>
> On this, in my opinion, if we don't have the data, either explicitly state
> "downloads since September 2010" or possibly just leave shows prior to 2010
> out. (I tend to lean towards the former due to my "as much readily-available
> information as possible" bias, but either approach makes sense to me.)
>
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