[Hpr] The End (of this topic for me)

Klaatu klaatu at straightedgelinux.com
Tue Feb 10 01:12:02 PST 2015


I am sorry if it seemed like I was attacking you.

I understand that you were not attempting to do that and that you were
merely wondering whether anyone had experienced any issues.

My point was only to fork your question into a proposal.

I didn't mean to imply anything about you or your episode.

Mea culpa.

- klaatu

On 02/10/2015 09:34 PM, Ivan Privaci wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 07:37:41 AM Ken Fallon wrote:
>> On 2015-02-10 07:21, Klaatu wrote:
>>> [...]some of
>>> us (I'm counting myself in) are interested, on some level, to learn what
>>> will break mp3 players with regards to meta data.
>>> While I don't think it's the right place to do experiments in the main
>>> feed[...]
>>> - klaatu
>> You nailed it on the head as far as I'm concerned.
> This is why I don't think I should ever touch this topic again around here: 
> there are now TWO people who appear to think my point was to break people's 
> players, and one who believed that the point was to find ways to make things 
> hard for future contributors.
> hpr1393 was a demonstration of valid metadata, not a carelessly released 
> destructive test. If I had believed there was substantial risk of breaking a 
> listener's player I wouldn't have even made the episode. I DID kind of hope 
> somebody WOULD come forward to say they'd had a problem for much the same 
> reason a biologist would like to meet bigfoot: the unlikeliness  of the event 
> would be interesting and educational (not to mention, I was assuming, "of 
> interest to hackers"). Even then, any such unlikely problem would take the 
> form of "the player's display was messed up while this episode was playing" or 
> at worst "this file wouldn't play at all, though all the other HPR episodes 
> do", or in the EXTREME case "my player locked up and I had to wait for the 
> battery to run down so it would turn off", not "my mp3 player has been damaged 
> by this data.".
> I had actually thought that having the episode on audio metadata actually 
> being properly tagged with examples of the metadata being discussed would be 
> interesting and useful for someone who might have a real interest in the 
> subject - I know I would have if someone else had made the episode. 
> Unfortunately instead of "Wow, you can do that and still be standards-
> compliant?/That's an interesting use-case I wouldn't have thought of/Hey, that 
> functionality could be handy for this other audio project I'm involved with" 
> followed by "I'll have to look at this file once I get to the end and see what 
> it looks like, I conveniently already have it right here because I'm listening 
> to it right now!" I'm getting "you probably broke a bunch of people's stuff 
> and made HPR look bad and they're just not saying so" and "I'd stop 
> participating because of this" and "yeah, breaking people's mp3 players IS 
> relevant and interesting but you shouldn't have done it here". 
> I'm regretting even submitting this episode at all, let alone bothering with 
> the demonstration metadata labors. 
> I think I should just recuse myself from this topic entirely around here. 
> The way today is going just this last reply probably means there are now 5 or 
> 6 people who think I'm trying to break things, 2 or 3 more who think I'm 
> trying to weed out contributors by demanding complications, and one who found 
> the steganographic message mentioned in the episode and now thinks I'm sending 
> maliciously-crafted coded messages to try to make bigfoot's ipod explode.
> The only reason I'm even posting THIS reply is that the assumption of malice 
> or callous destructiveness on my part is really bugging me, ESPECIALLY after I 
> explicitly discussed what I wanted to do and why openly on this list before I 
> did it, two or three weeks before it hit the feed, and made sure there were no 
> objections before I did the work on it.
> I've scrapped my plans for a followup episode on the topic. It's not worth the 
> shocking level of fuss it's causing. I've got plenty of other topics in my 
> backlog to take its place.
> Speaking of which: the real kicker is that the question about problems with 
> metadata was casually included just because I was thinking of doing a followup 
> at the time and figured I'd check just in case there'd be something to report 
> as part of it. I was actually much more urgently hoping I might luck out and 
> someone would be able to help with the OTHER now-forgotten question. 
> It's probably not likely, but if someone out there DOES have both a condenser 
> microphone AND an XLR-1/8" adapter that they could do a quick experiment with, 
> it'd help.
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