evenfire at sdf.org
Sat Dec 21 21:44:04 PST 2019
Wow, need to watch this mailing list more closely! What an interesting week.
A few thoughts FWIW:
* I've no objection to the wording changes proposed. Having said that,
it strikes me as a little meaningless. How welcoming we are as a
community will show in our actions. Unfortunately, there are
communities that put forth language just like this that are
are definitely *not* welcoming or constructive places to be ...
especially if you are of the "wrong sort" (definition of which
varies of course).
* As lostinbronx observed, I find the fact that this community hasn't
had many issues like this noteworthy. I hope we never lose this
spirit. It's always wonderful to see folks encourage one another
in HPR as they usually do.
* I'm generally against the notion of a Code of Conduct for reasons that
others have already more eloquently discussed. (I.e. it feeds trolls
and it gives a way for different kinds of trolls to attack the
* I agree that it would have been nice to better understand the nature
of the harassment. In particular, I'm curious whether it was occurring
*through* the HPR platform or whether HPR was just the "hook" by
which the harasser found a target. The reason is that I'd be wary of
getting the community dragged into private arguments.
* @Paul Quirk -- I like the Emerson quote. Had to look up the original.
(which is basically s/harassed/persecuted/g).
-- Gabriel Evenfire
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 01:08:50PM -0500, Paul Quirk wrote:
> To paraphrase Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Let me never fall into the vulgar
> mistake of dreaming that I am being harassed whenever I am contradicted."
> Your assumption that I have never been harassed is patently false and adds
> no value to this conversation.
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019, 6:30 PM Jason Scott, <jason at textfiles.com> wrote:
> > Spoken like someone who has never really been harassed.
> > On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 1:34 PM Paul Quirk <paul at pquirk.com> wrote:
> >> At some point, those who are being harassed need to recognize the fact
> >> that they have the power to ignore their harassers and recognize that
> >> engaging with certain personalities that conflict with your own as a
> >> complete waste of your time. Just go on doing what you're doing; life's
> >> too short to not have fun, and I for one think that we should all
> >> consider that perhaps those who are harassing others have their own
> >> personal issues to deal with. If you think of your harasser as a 5 year
> >> old brat who never grew up beyond the playground taunts, it becomes much
> >> easier to dismiss them as such. Seriously though, mental illness is a
> >> big issue in today's high paced, highly competitive, stressed out and
> >> drugged up world, and often finding compassion for those you feel are
> >> harassing you can lead to a long term sense of well-being. That's
> >> another two cents from me, I'm almost up to a nickel now. :)
> >> On 2019-12-14 10:52 a.m., lostnbronx wrote:
> >> > When you think about it, it's surprising we haven't had this problem
> >> > before. Unless we did, and it just wasn't brought to light.
> >> >
> >> > Can we assume the harassment source was from within the community, and
> >> > not just from random trolls on the Internet? I think removing email
> >> > addresses of hosts is a great first step, at any rate.
> >> >
> >> > A CoC would give the admins the power to act without having to seek
> >> > community consensus on every incident. It would also provide clear
> >> > guidelines for community members and admins alike regarding how to
> >> > behave, and what will happen if you don't.
> >> >
> >> > It makes me sad that we need this, but I guess we were overdue.
> >> >
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