Comment #1 posted on 2019-07-29 00:18:43 by dodddummy
I disagree with just about all the opinions expressed in this episode.
Chalk me up for the opposite on just about all the views expressed in this episode. Just in case someone puts together a debate :)
Good to hear the discussion but I sure do disagree with so much of what was said.
Here's to your right to say it!
Comment #2 posted on 2019-07-29 00:25:46 by dodddummy
1st hour, that is.
The last comment was referring to the first 1hr of the episode.
Comment #3 posted on 2019-08-05 10:27:06 by Mike Ray
Ridiculous comments about guns, as usual from most 'leftpondians'.
In countries where it is very, very difficult to get hold of guns, there are virtually no mass shootings.
I see Fox News etc, and by etc I mean right wing media, are blaming video games for this last weekends 2 mass shootings.
Japan is a culture with a deeper video game habit than the US, but there are no mass shootings. Reason? Two-fold, it is not video games doing it, and, more importantly, guns are very rare in Japan.
If you make it easier for a teenager to buy an assault rifle than it is to buy a six pack, you will get mass shootings.
Especially when you have a white supremecist as a president.
And don't give me that shit about needing an AK47 fitted with a 100 round mag to keep the racoons away from your bins
Comment #4 posted on 2019-08-05 18:44:09 by MrsXoke
To Mike Ray
What is a leftpodian?
In countries where it is difficult to get guns there are fewer mass shootings, however, there is not less violence. The vehicle for the violence is different. Not the violence.
I saw one commentator of Fox blame video games, and a number of others ignore or question that belief. Sadly you can't believe anything you see on TV as a whole any more.
Japan is a culture with deeper roots in family and the importance of morality. They don't necessarily agree with the "to each their own" adage that western society loves. They openly shame anything and anyone that does not fit their norm. Societal acceptance is a major driving force in all that they do. Perhaps that is what is missing? A society enforced moral code and shaming when you don't fit in the box? Is that what we should go back to?
I don't condone and it isn't easy for a teenager to buy alcohol, drugs, or firearms here. I do believe in education for all of those things. I also know that there are always the ones that get or do these things anyway. Maybe this is where the Japan method comes in? In the past in this nation more homes have guns, and more homes had both parents, and maybe a strong family bond, and parents that enforced social norms helped? I don't know the answer and decades of change would be required and still not provide true proof.
Why is it that a conversation cannot be held without a person who doesn't like Trump, bringing him up? He really isn't the biggest problem this nation has. He certainly isn't the solution, but isn't the biggest problem. I don't like him either, but lets dispense with using Trump is a racist as a defense for a point of view.
I live in a country that has a group of people who have decided that they are accepting and tolerant of everyone unless you own guns, have conservative values, attend church and believe in Christian values. This hypocrisy is why there is so much division and hatred. I can't speak for other nations.
Comment #5 posted on 2019-08-06 00:24:29 by Mike Ray
To Mike Ray
'Leftpondian'. Person who is on the eastern side of the Atlantic, IOW, an American. As opposed to a 'Rightpondian', a person on the eastern side of 'the pond', IOW a European. Not meant as an insult, just a common idiiom.
You know, Europe, that place where we have no 'right to bare arms' which was written when all guns fired a single shot and then took a minute or so to reload, or when the people you were busy slaughtering in their millions were keen to kill you.
A time when there were no shopping malls and no enclosed school or college campuses which are easy targets for some evil nutter with an assault rifle, which he or she got out of a vending machine, or so it seems.
Words that are no longer fit for purpose.
Can't buy a Kinder Egg, it's a choking hazard to the toddler on the back seat of the car, sitting next to mom's purse, from where he/she can so easily pluck her gun and shoot her in the back of the head.
1987, Federal government ban steel tipped lawn darts after just ONE toddler is killed by one. But don't take away our right to pack war hardware just in case we have to stop the odd racoon pitching over the dumpsters, despite thousands of young and old alike being killed year on year for no better reason than the power of the gun lobby
'The best thing to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.' Don't see many examples of this happening
Comment #6 posted on 2019-08-06 06:16:35 by Mike Ray
Active shooter drills
I understand it is normal in the USA now for many schools to drill the kids on what to do in the event of an active shooter.
Any society where that is necessary has a fundamental problem.
There is no justification for the private ownership of automatic or semi automatic weapons.
And we could all stay silent on the subject of the far right and routinely homophobic, Islamophobic, sexist morons taking over power. But what is that quote? All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing. That is a quote so I make no apology for the masculine 'men'. It equally applies to any gender nowadays.
I believe that part of the constitution that enshrines 'the right to bare arms' was written before repeating weapons even existed. So that part is no longer fit for purpose.
Here in the UK even owning a hand gun will get you four years in prison, even before you use it to commit any fellony. And we have not had a mass shooting since the 1996 Dunblane massacre that lead to the changes in the law.
We are certainly not telling our kids "run, tell, hide" or otherwise drilling them on what to do in the event that anything more serious than the wheels falling of the bus occurs
Comment #7 posted on 2019-08-06 06:22:54 by Mike Ray
Faith and values
And by the way, I do not accept that morality is in decline because of the decline in Church going or church going values. Church goers do not have a monopoly on morality. I have never set foot in a church voluntarily in all my 55 years, but I have a very strong sense of right and rong.
Some of the things I regard as wrong...shooting people, telling non-whites who were born here to "go back where you came from", sexually assaulting small boys left in my charge, demanding money with evangelical menaces to fund my private jets, refusing to teach evolution in schools, denying the poorest in society medical care to keep taxes for the richest as low as possible
Comment #8 posted on 2019-08-08 14:06:43 by folky
You can fastforward
Mike and dodddummy, I'm, completly on your side. But you know, you can fastforward. It's not the first time you get such opinions on the NYE-show and nowadays I just jump to the next 10-minute-chunk and if necessary the next, because it's not worth wasting lifetime to listen to it and get upset.
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