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Amazing to see all this stuff that I did was using in college just becoming
affordable, 3D printing, and laser cutting, and CNC, and no, pretty cool.
I just engraved some acrylic signs with my X-Car ability, turned out pretty good.
I was making some signs for clocks, so you know how you see newsrooms with a clock and a
city name under them, so basically a little sign, so I reverse cut the city name into a piece
of acrylic, and then that gets mounted on stand-offs, it looks like glass when you polish
it.
Very nice, and then I also painted the letters with black paint from the other side, so it
looks like the black is in set into the acrylic.
20,000, but killer ohms is not a standard value, which is called 2.7, yeah, 2.7K, that's normal, no 2.7K.
That sounds unusual, I'm going to hubby-hour.com for such electronic forward slash resistive
calculator, link in the show notes.
And we continue on, that's a useful little schematic about the different colours, can, yeah, and the
calculator is even better, yes folks, I am shooting, thank you very much.
I didn't think it was anything cool cheating these days, I thought it was research, is it?
Well, that's what I call it, where I go on YouTube to do it, to look at a tear down video
before I start mocking about the new laptop that one stripped down.
I always find that kind of strange and exams that especially in engineering exams that
would need to know the formulas and call it an engineer and they would always refer to a manual
because it just makes sure that they get the formula correct, yeah, I don't understand why
just give me the book, yeah, like of the formulas.
Like yourself, can I start off in engineering and if we were starting to cut a thread,
there was no way you'd start on the lathe without having a chat with your thread,
maybe you're in your book and everything, exactly what's actually also loosely, yeah,
and better yet, as somebody who's done it before, of course, so yeah, it's always strange when
you come to an exam and you're not allowed to do all that.
I don't know, I ask him questions, I see so many people afraid to ask questions and work,
and you know, what does a matter, you know, just everybody makes mistakes, sometimes just ask
a bloody question, before you have to be asking the question, then he's sitting there like a
new note, I think, and you're doing something when you're just stood frozen.
Yeah, I think these days people have lost, oh they've got this fear of seeing each
few people because they don't know what they're doing, but until you've done it the first time,
you're never going to know what you're doing now, yeah, exactly.
And I was the thing I used to do, when I was into the other people, I would continue
on asking questions, until I got to a point where you reached the limit of the knowledge,
and then it wasn't that I was that concerned about where the limit of the knowledge was,
because, you know, everybody has different things, it's just what, what do they do when you get
to a point where they don't know a thing? And, you know, sometimes you come up with someone
and who is so experienced, but you give them a question that could only be related to if you
were working in our factory or in our industry, which they were, and then, you know,
to start bluffing you and you're okay, I don't want to be working with this person, thank you very much.
Just a good answer to that question is, well, I don't know, because that's industry specific,
but I imagine that, that's a perfectly valid. Yeah, I don't know, I might know a man who does,
exactly, even if each needs to go, go, that's your goal. You only need to be one Wikipedia search ahead
of everybody else. I heard a rumor of a chap who put up a hotspot in the
meeting once with consultants and, you know, had a squid proxy and then was as things were being mentioned
by the consultancy companies manager or team that the consultants were googled or going to Wikipedia
and what they tore them off, very impressive guys, very impressive. Brown, brown, black, black, brown,
which I'm reckoning without looking is one, one, zero, hundred ohms, no hundred and ten ohms.
Where are you putting a hundred and ten ohms? No, er, because it's a one k.
I'm gonna say, what I see is two twenty. This thing is measuring one k, hello.
How would I get one k from that? Is the last color brown or black?
A reasonable to say. I bet the brown is red. No, they're all exactly the same color brown,
those three browns and two blacks. So it's either brown, brown, black, black, or black, or brown,
black, black, brown, brown, brown, brown, black, you know what you need is an LED light.
I do have one, sorry, yes. The big magnifying glass. This is one k. So brown, black, black, brown, brown.
Okay, now the question is, do I have one k here or this thing? Yeah, two of them,
like they're just above them, they'll have a little play. So tell me this can. If you have two
resistors, the same value, and you twist both their ends together in parallel. What happens to
the resistance? Divide by two. Very good. And thank you for publicly closing me in front of
14,000 people. I'm going to make sure you put them in the right direction, remember.
It doesn't matter, I still have you down as doing that bit sculpting. You can pretend to be an
accurate as much as you like. I know what you're trying to do. You're thinking that if I
if you give me wrong information here that I won't ask you to do the bit sculpt tutorial.
I'm pressing and try.
Well, life just says cool in there. I completely don't think it's cool, but I'm just going to
give you a good idea of it on the show. Yes, she has. She's on every single show. She's the
intro and outro girl. But she's also done several shows and she is working on a series for HDR.
But that sounds cool. Yes, it is, actually. I had the surprise in the background. She knows about
this series. Yes, she does not work on this thing for the last two bloody years. It started as a
request for a article. It was a roundtable request by Lawson Bronx, and then she said, all right,
all right, something about that, and then it turned into, all right, a little bootless about that,
and then this is going to be more of a blog post. And then it's the first of a three-part boot.
Well, the first boot is already written. Well, me, I say that the lady certainly improves the
audit quality. She improves more than that, that's for sure. She improves the quality of my life.
Well, the audio quality is only part of that that verse were allowed to enjoy.
Yeah, she cooks good too. We had three kids a way past. I need a little form of
going to tell you a little bit of a little too. Yes, but it would get called on the flight over to
Boston. And the reason you can't jump over here, you know, red red black brown and the brown
is way over. So I'm guessing it's red red black black which will be 2, 2, 0, 2, 20 ohms.
Yep, 2, 2 ohms.
Well, one of them. Another thing you can do is just look at all the resistor spots on your board and say,
which one does this scene closest to? You could do that and kind of figure out what it should be
from that set. But we have a 26 hour artificial to put up with interesting content.
Got a top right hand corner.
It seems to be bridging the first pane of the, uh, it's going from the ground to the first pane
of the monitor or little LCD screen.
Well, before more to go, guys. No, you can talk about something else. There is no reason to be
waiting on my for resistor. Like, this is just something I happen to be doing while the show is going
up. Yeah, so we were wondering about the availability of single women in Europe.
Well, I presume the invitation to supper would have said, I know this young lady who would
love to meet a fashion gentleman from Boston. I could go there with a whole umstudent thing. Well,
there were plenty of available people here for every taste.
Well, brown grey black orange brown, which comes out of 180k,
you want to measure this? Brown grey wet, brown grey black orange brown, brown grey black
orange brown, comes in around 180k. Yep, let's see one there. 180 or 1.8.
180. I don't see a one-pointed is in the board. I see 180 down at the bottom plus to the
terminal pens, like a PWM logo. And we went to up to the usual broadcasting,
corner announcements, that's. We are coming up to, I've lived last time zoom. I'm not sure where
that is, but the American smell we became the first few years back. I saw a little article about that.
So, uh, can some of you take over and tell us where the last time during actually is, because I've
now idea. Well, it's uh, so the next time zoom to go in 48 seconds is midway and the last one is
Baker Ireland, which is an hour from now. So all of you staying up for three at the end of the
pitch for your show, you have another hour of this torture. But yeah, there's another hour. Oh,
I see it's one door and the thing. Yeah. So who else is a 3D printer?
Not that I have a 3D one. I don't have one either, but then it's cool as they want to
share shortly, because it's a most mainstream now anyway.
10 is being knuckle, usually means they're cheaper, which usually means I start getting interested in them.
Well, pop, yeah, I see a point. And turn these fashion up a lot, so they all I see on the
name of state with the client. This 20 probably is about to say lots of stuff and things. No,
every time I mention that, I'll be caught in for a show. You're always angling for shows, can.
Yep, that's me. We've got 280 fresh slots, just come available. In one hour's time, the
B280 free slots available for your audio pleasure. Not to mention the 280 that will be the year after
that and the 200. All right. What was your favorite show of the year, guys?
And you don't have to mention, you know, obviously it was they how to modify an ironing board
here. Your second favorite show. You laugh, you laugh, but as soon as I've done this board here,
we're doing an ironing with Ken, so yeah, you prepared. I think my favorite show,
and it is one in mind, but the only reason it's one in mind is because I was actually a
life to do it, and it's the show that I did, after I had my stroke. Yes, that was about
surviving me stroke. That was a sobering show. I must have been strong, so I had a lot of them.
But there's so many good shows, it's really hard over a 12-month period to remember.
You know, you'll get one that jumps out at your time, and then within a couple of weeks is another one
that jumps out. I've been liking a tabletop gaming D&D stuff. Yeah, that is pretty, uh, pretty new and interesting.
I was expecting that to be a whole series, actually. But I think the best show, it's a
probably a trick question. The best show is the one that solves the problem that you're working on
at that particular point in time, which is why we often get comments and shows that are three
four years old. Yeah, because someone will go hunting around in the archive looking for a solution,
but like you do on YouTube, 2.2k. I've just been watching a bit of the video of the actual
test that looks quite nice. Yeah, it is actually. By I saw that there was some guys
had moments that came with the three surface mount components soldered up. I would strongly advise
that if you had not done any soldering at all. Because when you're starting, when you're building
the PCB, you have to start with the smallest components and work your way up. Yeah. So you by definition
started with the most difficult one. So yeah, I think you can also buy them pre-assembles a lot.
There's anyone watching the Pirates, the Bilch tank from Pamironi.
No, you're going to leave? Yeah, I can find you one. Give us a couple of seconds and I'll get you all.
Um, they have a regular weekly show during the where they obviously, it's part of their sales team as
well, but shows new things that they've got for sale, but occasionally they do tutorials on
our antisolder and you know assemble some of the kits that they do. So it's quite good.
Nice. Uh, I've got them favorite kits and I'm going to find them. There we go.
Nope, it just disappeared.
No, you got a map and they're still there. I got rid of my one. You got really used, did you?
Then we'll get you cool kit this year. And yes, you know where this is going.
No, I didn't get any anything for Christmas, but I went out to the auction a few weeks ago and picked up
yourself a nice little setting them. I three tower. That's a nice little bit kit. I like the
auction thing that's going on beside you. I really am very jealous of that auction because
there was sell it, there were selling some SSDs, some 128 sanded their sculptures,
managed to pick them up for 32 quid each. Oh nice. They're about 50 quid,
60 60 quid or so much. So I've got a few of them. But it's amazing how useful, you know four and five
year old kits still is these days. Absolutely. I can say a little I three tower with I've just
stuck the SSD in it and it's got some, I think it's four giga-round. I might have looked great. No,
I think it's four giga-round, but it flies along. Absolutely flies along.
97 quid. I think you're a bit behind the video where he's got easy attached to an
silverscope. Har, har, har, har. You might have friends he did fast forward. So
by the time we don't truncate side on every part of it, we go, can it's really horse and through that thing.
I could do a blue beach rather than going, here's one I met earlier. You could,
I'd be got another one. Great assembled. Sometimes I wish I will. I may have five or three
assembled if this doesn't work out. 100 K turns out to be. Do you ever get on these kits that
were missing components? What do you missing? Did you ever get on any kits that were missing
components? Now the stuff I build usually have to sort your own parts.
I've got so many boxes of that stuff. I can find one I need usually. It's actually so cheap now. I
got loads and loads of resistors and vast resistors stuff, which is actually why I want to
build this together. The bad thing is when you take stuff apart and you have extra stuff.
I've put back together. Yeah, but so many of the works it doesn't work. I learned that as an
early age. As long as it continues to work, it doesn't matter when you spare parts you have.
You just made it more efficient. Yeah, that sounds like when you pull in a laptop with
part and you put it all back together and you still got a handful of screws left. At that point
you take it and you shake it and it's fine. Then you just make it more efficient. Now you've got
a lighter laptop. And then from mechanical engineering terms that's something that you get used to.
It's like electronic engineers who don't after a while don't worry about the order of the
resistors, mechanical engineers very quickly get used to the app, you extra cool, and it's no big deal.
And approach I would hope my surgeon doesn't have it by the way.
Wow. It's not so much the bits left over. It's the bits that they can't find afterwards when they
say you look. Like that surgeon who got calls for a laser engraving his initials on people's
livers. Yeah, how to write this? Well, one part of me was going yes, that's horrendous.
And on the other hand I was thinking if he had asked me before I'd do kind of laser cut your
initials on the other. I go, well, okay. Cool first. That sounds cool.
I think these only you can. Well, I did ask that series supernatural. No, no.
Actually the initials are fine. It's when he has to put the creative commons
reference on there. Oh, killed by free sulfur. Sorry, what was that series? Supernatural.
It's a TV show. So these two brothers that go around chasing supernatural monsters.
And, you know, in this universe, there's, you know, demons and angels and monsters and spells
and all this stuff. And so they have certain symbols they put on stuff to keep the bad spirits out of
this side of the other. Well, they have these tattoos that keep them from being possessed by certain
things. And at one point in the series, one of the angels basically tattoos on their bones whatever
this symbol is. It's supposed to keep him from being infected by something. And then just remind
of me of that of, you know, you're going to tattoo, you're going to laser engraver something on your
liver. Well, these guys had that in the series. Maybe that's where you got the idea.
Well, last one should be 170 ohm. Well, that's 20k. That's how.
Okay, great. Well, we learned this can still hasn't a clue how this thing works.
That is no way that is red. It looks fine as red black black.
This is why you just can't trust these color blends, bands from these cheap resistors. It just
have no, like this red is nowhere like that all the way. It's pink. Well, that's fine,
whatever, measure of the soldering iron on.
All the talk of ones. It's just fascinating to listen to your concentration, can
it be zombie-fighters all you're going to do.
Well, I did get the new soldering iron and that was a good move.
This is $25 when you were talking about on the review show. How have you even heard that?
That was only posted just to the. Yeah, so I listened to it last night after it was posted.
I just went on the web and listened to it. It never surprises me that people listen to the
community news shows. I just want to, I just want to listen to you. It's like it's all off.
You say can because we're not giving enough shares. That's what it is.
I've fallen on that because I'm just angry. Sometimes I'll, you know, miss a bit of feedback
or something on one of the shows and I don't like most people. I don't listen to every show,
so sometimes just getting a little synopsis of some of the shows is quite good.
Yeah, exactly. So, I think we're a good, a good idea there.
This is a rebooting audio subsystem. I think we were going to recommend it as the series
to subscribe to if they 70, if the rate of shows coming in are sometimes a little bit too much for some
people. Yeah, it's a bit like a monthly guide. Yes, it's not. Yeah, exactly monthly. I just
thought it would be a little bit of work. And then if you're, if through listening to that,
you think, or I might go and actually listen to the full show on that one. Have you ever
done to? I have. Yes. Yeah, occasionally. I thought, oh, I missed a good one there.
The title didn't really speak up toward it with the word.
Yeah. Because sometimes the titles can be a bit dry, and I think, and I'm not particularly
interested in that. So I don't, but I don't even bother downloading it.
What do other folks think? I've gone back and listened to stuff that I hear on the synopsis show.
So, or remind me about it, and I'll go back and make a comment.
Yeah, that's the other thing. Sometimes you'll listen to a show and you think, I need to comment
about that show. And then you just forget all about it. And then you remind you, you get reminded about it
when you, when you listen to the review show at the beginning of each month. Cool.
So, I'm sold right now, just does it by the way. Oh, component, it's getting fixed to the
board. It's borrowed beyond all the recognition.
I don't know if you're doing it to a magnifying glass is a good thing or bad thing, because now
all my soldiers look crap. At least she got something to join.
Now that we're on Monday, I can say this obscene thing. Why are we at?
Yeah, yes, crucial. For those that don't know what you're on about, first go back and look,
listen to the Paula Gaiden's Confusal and then do a show.
Can you still get where you're up?
May I now know my captain doing that?
That's right, slightly thinner solder.
Yes, better.
Gentlemen, would any of you know what a standard image used test image compression software was?
Hmm.
No, I don't.
It was a famous image scanned from a certain gentleman's magazine who was fond or passed away just recently.
Well, I had to sit on the Apollo thing to use that.
Hmm.
Got a link to the show notes, or will that call those our clean title?
I have actually seen that for a similar image used at the AI lab when they were doing some stuff within the 8080 system.
Well, where was that again?
Text where am I to?
Back from the 8080s, it was a hot chip.
You need to do a few shows on those for seriously.
What was the pace of software that we used in the compression?
Well, they were testing the new algorithm, came by and they used this standard image.
Right.
Now, the fact that it was scanned and probably not registered with the original copyright holder might have been a problem.
But then again, this was back in the last century and things were a lot easier than that.
We see have that picture of a girl.
So it was the daughter of the guy who was testing.
He just went home and got his daughter and Roger in and then took the picture and then used that.
Is that the young lady that sat in the test card?
That's how you?
Was that the BBC training one time often?
Would you, would long, I think?
And they have the original there or had at least.
That was the best week of my life.
It was one.
Anyone ever gets a chance to do the training at their DBB training is absolutely one week of pure technical porn.
So it was the best, the best slides were presented, the presenters were.
If you ever wanted an example of how to put a thing together, it was just absolutely awesome.
Because the level of constantly sticky up it's no need to give any experience in it.
And my bill, this is cost to me a lot of money, dude.
Actually, the U.S. Air Force aircraft actually may not have been to a brewer airport.
It was flying F-101, who do this?
I saw proof that the air guard, not Apollo was the real moon shot.
There was a moon shot in the back seat of an F-101, which makes a phone booth seem like bucking in pellets.
I was in a truck that calculated a jet fighter.
So that's when I was mainly high school kids.
More recently, about the turn of the century, I was behind a horse in cart.
Hard me horse and carriage downtown Boston.
It's surprisingly both of them were going about the same speed.
Well, making an absolute haemes of this, but anyway.
There he goes preparing it for the show on how to use solder work.
Oh yeah, I'm lowering the bar on the tank and solder this crap for you and solder better.
I'm going to be very shocked if this thing actually works for me for this.
When we're allowed to be this time next year.
We shall see your beautiful fit.
Don't care, silence, I keep telling you.
If you just shut up, then it wouldn't look so bad for me.
Whose idea was it to sit in it live on air?
This is the only time I get to work on a drug drop to those in the back room once a year.
This new solder learned does actually make it a lot easier, especially with the small tips really nice to work with.
So you're going to do a review of the soldering iron then.
I think, too, I've already did one. He has the same luck.
Out of the way.
I know what you do, you know.
We're into the last half hour camp down.
Yes, the last half hour.
It's a recent time.
We're a patient's component tester.
This is a plateau or a pg game that will be tuned into the model.
Let's stop it right there, shall we?
Another of these half an hour times I mean half past times over the end of the seems.
25 minutes.
Yeah.
And spoiler.
There is no way there's going to be finished in 25 minutes.
Just no towel.
Can you, this support is all.
You're starting to sound a little bit of life again.
So come on.
It reminds me of a good hacker friend of mine.
Oh, we're just great and haven't heard from him in years.
He had about a dozen kids.
Three years enough for me. Thank you very much.
I was going to say that's a glutton to a punishment.
Well, his wife was a little short thing.
And what if his friends at English friends said
that small woman, large family, does laugh?
And Murphy laughed louder, I think.
You always tease about people who should get a hobby or change it.
The best man I haven't seen in years.
My hand is starting to shake.
Now cut for you.
I think if anything, this board is going to be a perfect example of all the ways you can do
in this order.
I'm just coming to look at this link to the supernatural that we were just talking about
TV show. And a way, it looks like a revamped buffet.
There's a whole genre of that stuff.
Detired to call out the Hollywood formula.
Something new and different with a good track record.
Correct.
Is anyone else like me doesn't like all the reboots of some of the classic movies?
Like what?
Well, the John Wayne classic.
They really cut the years ago.
Oh, cut into the name of it now.
But they seem to keep rehashing old classic movies and doing poor jobs on.
Star Trek first start.
Now I'd have to disagree with you there.
Nope. Star Trek is rebooting a Star Trek.
It was bad.
They completely missed the whole point of the gene run in these stories.
They turned it into Star Wars.
When did it action blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
What I was gene run bring was all about the stories.
It's the same thing with the Orville verses.
Have you seen the Orville little?
You know, I haven't TV series.
Well, we're watching the Orville.
That is taking the stories and just doing them like stories, basically Star Trek,
the next generation without any mention of Star Trek.
So how does that work?
It works by going, well, they messed up Star Trek so much.
That here's another universe that is similar.
It is completely different.
But it's got good stories of it's like Star Trek.
It's more Star Trek than Star Trek actually.
So going away from Star Trek, what you think of the reboot of Star Wars?
There was only everyone Star Wars movie and that was the first one.
And then everything else was a way to make money.
I have yet to be dissuaded by that argument.
I must admit the original classic is still an original classic.
Absolutely everything else.
And if you look at it from the point of view of merchandising, everything after that was just an opportunity to fill the screen with something and merchandise.
Sorry guys, sorry all the Star Wars people out there, but we all know it's true.
Not that I have opinions on anything.
Now I often thought it's a pity they never made a second Blade Runner.
Or yes, or a second Highlander.
In my universe there's only one Highlander and one Blade Runner.
Although I haven't seen the second Blade Runner and one Merchicks to be honest.
The problem with Blade Runner is that the director rehashed it so many times.
I lost track of what was the original movie.
Yeah, it's hard to find it as well.
You need to search for trailer or cinema theatre edition.
Thanks, Clatoon mentioned at one point theatre edition.
And then you get it.
Personally I think it was always meant to have the, you know, the 1940s.
Yeah, the Star Wars blonde walks past my window type dialogue.
Because if you look at the director's course, there are suspicious delays as he talks back in conversation.
I just remembered the John Wayne movie.
I was thinking about true grit.
Oh yeah, yeah, did the rebuild that?
Oh yeah.
They really did that few years ago.
And I don't know why, why they bothered.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But the original, just such a classic.
I don't see.
See, why you want to bother?
Remaking it apart from money.
Because that sort of makes you bad there.
Yeah, I used to really enjoy going to the cinema about,
since it's turned into a computer game.
I think the best moment where that, where I saw, you know, Pearl Harbor.
And it followed the bum down.
At that moment, I realized, yeah, moving, going to the movies now is just watching the computer game.
And you can get better graphics by watching it from here to game.
Then it just completely takes me out of the movie.
The whole 3D rendering stuff.
Right.
Yeah.
If you can't.
If you're cinematic experience is.
Oh, I look, just go watch history buffs.
The YouTube channel.
Yeah, that basically explains it.
I do a far better hit than me.
Yeah, pasting it in now.
Yeah, basically, for me, cinema.
Going to the cinema is about the story.
And the CGI stuff just completely takes me out of it.
And if you want to watch one where
that's have a watch of his review of the Napoleon movie.
And you'll see what I mean.
No, it's not Napoleon's called Waterloo, I think.
Right.
Is that joining?
It's never a good thing to be asking.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'll call him a toothbrush, you say.
You're more than that.
I'm still not finished.
I'm so sorry, Mr. X.
I have ruined this board.
I've ordered one of those cheap microscopes.
As if I have the expensive one in this thing already,
but I will put in some of these.
Some photos of this thing, whenever at some point,
oh, God, this is brutal.
There is particularly bad.
So it looks nice enough from the front.
Up next.
Come coffee.
I'm still stopping my tea.
Yeah, I've got five minutes for a cup of coffee,
and then we can pause this thing down.
Till this time next you.
Back in a bit.
Yeah, this is coming towards an end.
In about eight minutes, I guess.
Does everybody disappear in there as well?
No, I'm still there, Sebastian.
Anyway, it just can't be disappeared.
Anyway, I was wondering actually,
you told me who are you for real?
Yeah, I don't think that much.
Totally huge.
I've done a few shows over the last couple of years.
I live in northwest of the UK in a tank called Blackpool.
On the coast.
Yeah, Blackpool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, for a few years, I've worked with Lays on the crew.
I'll come.
Oh, you won the crew, okay.
Right.
I'll tell you.
Wait, what's that?
I'll tell you.
Big guy with a beard.
Probably.
I mean, I've probably seen you on somewhere on there,
but I don't know everybody at Blackpool anyway.
Doesn't even know I was the name.
I've got a picture of your name, possibly, and you've got your own real name.
So a bit confusing, isn't it?
Yeah.
And you go to these things, and then you get people going,
I thought, hello.
It's back here when we were from, I got back.
It can't be this year, isn't it?
Yeah.
Well, I don't remember changing you, but, okay, yeah.
Yeah, I haven't been to our campus a couple of events.
Didn't make it to a country this year.
No, but there's another one now as well.
It seems there's actually the free nose event now as well.
All right.
When's that going to be on?
I didn't know.
No.
Yeah.
That was good.
It's actually name me as well for a change.
It's sort of a very name in my local city, you know,
sort of having to go off to Canterbury,
or Brussels, or Fossilin, which I'll be doing again,
which I'll be doing again in a few weeks, but, you know,
you always travel somewhere else, usually, for these things.
And then, for you know, live popped up in Bristol this year.
They've crystal wants to do an event, or they've got some funding,
I think, for this as well, or what sponsorship or whatever.
But, yeah.
So that'll be in Bristol again next year,
but we'll crash with bomb fire night weekend.
All right.
It's okay.
But that was actually quite good.
It had people, you know, it has some,
it was very vague, it's a beginner, but what would really happen?
Because there's talks in come up for ages,
and the stands, all the rest of it.
But then it got quite a few good speakers in there,
like Karen Sandler, and Deb Nicholson,
and some, I think there were a few other ones as well.
There's a Debbie and developer, and there was,
it says in the website, it was in quite good speakers.
The stands was, there's a stand actually.
The stands was all right, but there's most,
more people may be going forward to speeches, like you do for these things.
Very nice, free-node, well, the paid free-node teacher.
Very, very, very nice.
The free one was not that good, but that, yeah.
There's something else for these conferences, isn't it?
It's all about the T-shirt, isn't it?
Because I've got so many of them there,
I really do, because I've been there in Brussels,
and you know, since 2012 as well,
and then every old campus in 2012,
once it's been on as well, and I've bought a few online as well.
You know, you get all these T-shirts, don't you?
Yeah, I've never, I've never made it to anything outside the UK.
I've only ever made it to UK then.
I would say that bus, I would say,
if I was them, it's worth going to, definitely.
It's, oh yeah, that's the biggest one in Europe.
It's amazing, it's like, I've had this world for this kind of stuff for any.
But I'll see things like Hulk Camp are much smaller,
and free-node live, but, you know, like,
those events back three hundred people at most,
something like Brussels on the other hand,
we're talking over 5,000 people every year.
Oh, yeah, the record is more like, it's 12 now.
8 to 12,000 people.
Yeah, it's much of 8.
Is that what you should say?
I'm not sure if you need to go to the first demo.
It costs zero, you just walk in.
Oh, right.
Okay.
That's why I didn't even have a ticket here.
You just walk in.
Wow.
Well, obviously, you have to get there,
which can cost you, you have to stay somewhere,
which is going to cost you.
And, you know,
yeah.
Yes, it's the most expensive free conference on everybody.
Well, why it's all the t-shirts,
stuff, or just staying,
come and get the commendations, stuff.
Yeah, there was a time when a fancy
actually going over to America to
one of the big Linux conferences over there,
but I'm not sure,
I fancy going over there at the moment.
Well, I think something like Lea Bablanet
would be probably worth going to.
That's the free software foundation event,
or whatever, but, um,
the America's a little bit far from the UK, isn't it?
An expensive to get to and so on.
Yeah.
For those of you following along,
I'm putting in the transistors now.
It's a case of reading them,
and putting them into the right slot.
You've got two and a half minutes, again.
You've got a cracker.
Yeah, if you could just shut up,
then I could just,
I'll edit in the,
I don't understand.
You should get over to Brussels,
tell me if you can make it,
because I mean,
forced them is an experience that
is definitely worth having when it's
this stuff.
I don't sure if I'm going to agree with being as
well, because he's been.
Absolutely.
It's not going to happen this year.
Well, you want to plan that,
but if you can get over,
it is really just amazing to see
life where the default is your normal.
It's not going to happen to go on.
Yeah, but yeah,
basically,
yeah, yeah,
you hang out with technical people
for the most part.
I mean,
they do have a saying that
if you've got a wife or something like that,
and they're not into computers.
What you can do as well
is you can put them on the
spouses and partners tool,
because they've been running that for years as well,
where they instead of going to the talk
to go around looking at Brussels
and stuff at the talk guide.
And it's free as well for that.
I believe so.
That sounds cool.
I don't know about the wife,
not being technical.
I'm not technical after this.
I don't know about the wife, not being technical.
I'm not technical after this.
Although they are,
I'll tell you something.
Actually, it was a little bit funny in a way.
So when I went the very first time in 2012,
I've never been to any of these different source conferences
when you think like that.
So,
I've been a travel to the board and stuff
for my family.
You're not my own yet either.
I mean,
I've done bustles on my own every year since
but I actually went my older brother,
first year.
30 seconds.
And to,
to,
yeah,
and to Foss Dam.
And he,
he,
I put them on to the,
spouses and partners tall
because he's not,
I thought he's not going to want to go around
down the talks and stuff.
But he,
after the first day,
it was like,
no,
no,
I've always used to talks.
And I was like,
really?
Was it that bad?
And you could work in a primary school
at the same time as well.
So lots of women.
Yeah.
And the year sure is
officially over in five
seconds ago.
Yeah.
I thought 12 seconds ago.
Well,
it was a hit.
It was a whole crazy stuff.
And I'm going to continue on
putting in this position.
Because we don't,
not here to arbitrary
time zones here.
Well,
we aren't having an after show.
Yep.
This is the start of the after show.
I,
I guess it is then.
Or else to show,
whatever.
We're 42 seconds into the after show.
The hit to be our new show.
It was officially over.
But we're still going 46 minutes in.
I do.
You told I'd stop,
Tony.
You told I'd stop.
You know,
to listen to your shows,
you'd think that you were a nice person.
Yeah.
Well,
that's just a from.
On X can.
Yeah.
It's just a from.
Yep.
I suffer from the same thing.
People think I'm a nice guy.
Yeah.
Okay.
Transistors in.
Anyone got any tips on how
enough to kill to
this.
When you're a soldier.
Uh,
Be careful.
I don't even got that.
Oh,
I'm just doing that.
They were the same calling.
Call of the socket.
Yeah.
I have a few of them coming up shortly.
I do believe that I've seen
sockets for transistors as well.
Actually,
what's really weird is to see a thick film.
Public state device and realize that that's what your dad had for a type in.
3D on work terms,
thick film devices with IBM for a while.
One summer.
Okay.
Solving soldier is where.
I'm set up a 4.
Can you please do some of these shows?
Because this type of show,
I would listen to for hours.
Yeah.
Just reminiscing about old hardware and stuff.
So just start at your.
Uh,
Yeah,
when you first about your dad and then your entire career.
Spending maybe a shill per year.
All about that.
So,
well,
hey,
Okay.
I'll take that under advisement.
I think I got some time open next December.
But it.
To say it's our to say.
Well,
you need the most important time to fill is actually the.
New year show because I know I didn't fill it this year.
But this year,
but I'll have to.
That year show does not count as a show.
Everybody knows this.
Except for my extra bill.
Yes.
Yes,
leafy go on ahead.
Wait a minute,
that.
All right.
Since I've been sitting here listening to something or other.
Although then again,
I'm coming from Linux log podcast.
So.
If that counts in the show, this does.
Yeah, I really enjoyed that show actually.
Well,
my good boy,
if you can,
you know,
we're available twice a month.
You know,
the directions.
Well,
yeah,
exactly.
Middle imagination.
Fortunately.
Come on.
So when you're going to come on time.
When you're going to put up the.
New ratio.
And I also get show.
I'm wondering.
Well,
I'm not putting up the new show at all.
That'sunky.
Step forward for that one.
I will do it.
Nobody else is going to do it,
but yeah.
I pay to you.
Have it's got the way to.
Oh, yes.
Good.
Well,
happy new year folks.
I think I'm going to step out.
And crash or do something constructive.
You could always make a PCV.
We could do it together.
Yeah,
I think I'm going to go can.
So good luck with the rest of the soldering.
Good.
And hopefully,
my bump into each other.
I might call to on campus.
It's available this year.
Yeah.
Hopefully.
I'm going to put you up camp.
I'll bring my record or anyway.
And so I've been joy fostering.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, you're not going this time, are you?
You got me on there.
No, no, no.
Yeah.
I'm going to say it's, yeah.
Neuro doesn't actually mean cheaper cheaper all this.
Well,
well,
well,
but that's probably on a bit,
doesn't it?
Although in trains,
maybe a little bit cheaper,
and go on a plane,
for example,
from hamster from Holland.
But yeah,
it's looked to hotels and all that.
Still.
So,
final happy new year to all in Hacker Public Radio Land.
And see you down the road sometime.
Well said, sir.
Well said.
Well said.
Hold the rest.
Bye.
Bye.
See you, Tony.
See you, Neuro.
And that's pretty much yet.
And I guess really.
Well,
officially, yeah.
Well,
I'll stick on here.
If anyone joins,
I know more than happy to chat.
But yeah,
there should be OK.
Well,
well,
where were you shooting?
So,
after what he can't,
what they kind of said at the end of every year.
And there's also a free note about now.
Which I don't know if you even knew about.
Yeah, I did.
That's good.
Um,
Yeah,
I was,
considering going to that,
but it forms the last.
Was it good?
Maybe what did you say,
minute ago?
I missed some luck.
Was it good over?
No,
then there was something else you said.
But it was,
at the end.
And he said,
you're thinking of going to it,
but something.
Uh,
I was thinking,
funds,
money,
cash,
financial strapped,
note,
not having enough financial resources to do it.
All right.
Yeah.
Well,
this time it was,
I really have a problem as such,
because in my nearby city,
for a change,
you know.
So that's great.
You just get a bus down,
get a bus back,
stay in the place,
you know.
But because normally you have to go off to like,
Brussels,
and we'll live a pool,
or you know,
somewhere else far away.
Yeah.
But that's,
that's on next year.
Well,
this year,
I can say in that 2018,
that will be on this year as well.
And you do quite good.
Um,
the bomb fire night weekend.
Yeah.
And the better had like some good speakers there.
I had Karen Sandler,
Deb Nicholson,
um,
some of,
I mean,
saw on the website,
really,
but like,
some dabbing guy,
I believe there was,
the stand.
Um,
but people like PoP there as well,
doing a bunch of sand.
I was doing one.
The luck.
You want to have a stand?
Yes.
Yeah.
We had a stand as well,
and our Linux user group,
because we are the local,
well,
insisted on that.
That we should give a stand.
So,
a little speech thing as well.
We have been embarrassing,
otherwise,
and you're on turn.
I need to.
Well,
yeah.
Exactly.
We haven't speeded in.
It's user group.
So it was like,
uh,
yeah.
We should probably have a stand there,
really.
So,
got to two people's helpers,
although it was a little bit disappointing,
running stands there,
because at least when I,
we were there to be found on us for their nine,
hundred,
hundred the time.
But it wasn't like,
like,
it follows them,
you know,
people really do have
influx in gold,
and stands,
and stands,
stands,
stands,
stands,
and stands here.
It's like,
the commander stands a bit,
but they really are there for talks,
most of the time,
and it showed everywhere.
So that was,
those,
small events,
doesn't it?
So if I can't remember the date
about 300 people,
whatever,
but yeah,
it was a shame.
It was a shame.
It went like that in a way.
But it was good to do that.
And it was very nice,
too.
It was actually in Bristol for a change,
instead of going off somewhere,
it was not like you said.
So,
how old is the layers in between them,
soldering as we go to another school?
But you always realize that,
even if it's a small thing,
and,
you know,
there's nothing much traffic
you still can have that impact
for your project, too.
So, what was good?
Yeah, the idea of the thing is,
I mean,
Bristol generally is quite a nice city in England.
It's,
you know,
it's got nightlife,
it's got,
it's got tourist tracks in,
it's got,
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a few years, I took him up to a vegan cafe up there and got a little bit scared up there
because of, you know, you really see the change of everything and stuff and yeah. But what's
interesting at later on is how I hear about these Americans who had come over from, you know,
a lot that various places in America and how they were just talking to have safe it was,
how they've been down all the doors, yeah, they used late at night, it sounded like and it obviously
nothing happened, you know, that really shows a difference and someone was saying how like
one guy was his first time outside of America as well and he was like, you know, he was like, oh,
Bristol is, yeah, and Bristol is so, it seemed so amazing, compared to what I've come from,
sort of thing, it's so safe, it's so this, so that and he was like, oh, he's so lucky to kind of live
live around here and I thought it was very interesting because it really showed a difference,
it just, you know, just showed so the difference and that was great as well, I thought.
Yeah, but you have to remember that America's a massive big place and what goes and one place,
this is not necessarily going the other, I mean, I've been to places in the States where
everybody's door is open and then they know everybody in the neighborhood and, you know, small towns.
Well, yeah, you know, yeah, but this guy come from places where they, you know, they've done
I've begun this year and so on, really, it also sounds like, you know, what one of those places,
again, they would argue, there's no such thing as a gun issue.
Anyway, enough of our guns, I'm sure that's been covered in detail on the, while I was asleep,
I'm not putting in the, I'm not putting in the ceramic capacitors for those of you following
them, you know, you're probably talking about that over again, but I've just saying in general,
I'm a bit, but yeah, and do you know where, or come, it's going to be?
I have no idea how I've spent it's going to be somewhere in England, that's the belief,
that tellers not because it's a bit of a giveaway, right?
You know, it's not going to be up in Scotland, it's very unlikely, and that's probably not going
to end up in Wales or though, someone like Cardiff, I think you could put an old camp to be honest,
it's not too bad, but yeah, it's going to be a good thing to do with it, I would have thought.
And hopefully a bit more south, so it's near it to me, but that depends a little bit even
where the south, because of how it's done, because even camp, because I mean, south west,
you're Bristol, and then can't breathe, so it'll give four hours away that south east.
If Tony was mentioning North East, I don't know if North East could be, that's why he said
he was from one of them, that police said, that pulls quite far for most people, I think.
Everything's relative, sir, if you're from the blue, I guess, it's very close.
Plus the trains have got, are going up again, that's why I had it.
It is amazing how relaxing this doing this board is.
Reminds me of, have you ever put a Lego set together?
Let me do more board, did you say?
Yeah, I've done Lego, but that's been a long time.
I've been putting a kiss together, an electronics tester kit, as recommended by M.Y. Bill and one of the
shows, and he challenged me to do one of these kits, so I bought it, and I have been now assembling
it for the last year on three hours, seems to seem longer, so I could just stay after you.
Positive is quite relaxing.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You ever remember the feeling that you guess while doing it similar to
putting a Lego kit together, something like that?
Not so much, because I was a kid last time, did I go, but you have no memory of being young,
you poor thing. I tell you what you do, so do.
You go down and buy a Lego kit, or an air-fix kit and put it together,
relive your youth. Yeah, well, I'm not bad. You could be doing that in between the talks
at the stands, and you can say, why are we doing this? Ah, I'm glad you asked.
It's all to do with electronics, but you're putting your Lego kit together. Ah, that's what
do you think? I'm practicing for electronics.
Okay, officially lost to there, thank you.
There was a big thing, there was a big travel suitcase, sort of, I remember from
in 1990 when I was a kid, you know, that there would have lots and lots of holes,
they go in it, lots of old Lego pieces, and there would be like a pay-room,
lots of things, and my bavroom old bavary would sometimes go in there and pay with
Lego. So yeah, I do have a memory of Lego, and I've seen it like a movie, or something like that,
was one of the subjects of Lego. I don't even seen it, but it was stuff like that, more recent news
well. Have you ever done air-fix kits stuff like that? You know, airplanes sticking them together
from plastic bits and gluing them together? Not really, I'm not really that hard work,
but that's not really hard work, but you know. Yeah, I know much of this stuff. I usually ended up
with a big pile of glued plastic at the end, but still, it's enjoyable to do, the results may not
be perfect, but still, enjoyable to do. That said, I did live in the middle of nowhere, so entertainment
was very restrictive. Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, it's all changed, well, now that
it's tame and it's basically electronic devices, when I'm talking people in general here,
you know, the like book, the books get red, but you know, it's mostly foams and stuff now,
and that's what people have been saying themselves, and TV and game consoles, and it's so
how things change over years a bit. Oh, I'm just a man, or all these toys that people
used to play with, it's not really, it's not really played with as much in general. I mean,
shops still sell toys, but it's not really paid with extra money, it was a bit after my time.
Why have I so many leftover capacitors? That's a question. There's not found a
problem. Don't panic, I really don't panic. I didn't tell you it didn't. Action, man, you
do, but you know, there was stuff like that, and I was thinking of it, and I'll see there's still
bobby around for the girls on that, but in the boys, there you go, bobby don't hunt and you can't
you pay with. Yeah, the kids don't see it. I don't personally see a lot of difference over the
marketing between an action figure and a Barbie doll. You know, if you take 10 apart, strip them down,
and take action on a part, and strip them down, what this gave you left marketing and gender
stereotyping. Well, yeah, well, it's an example, but yeah, it's an action figure. No, the doll
didn't destroy gender stereotype, it's gonna let's all part of it. That said, when my son did
dress up as a fairy when he was younger, I was concerned about about, you know, that you would
be picked on on T's, just to be honest, not really, it was cool. A fairy with a sword seems absolutely
fine to me. So have I put these in now? No, one or four, one or four, and there's one left, one
or two. Yep, cool. But, tip to everybody following along, I should have probably done the
pastor's, the ceramic part, either the ceramic capacitors first as there's a bit smaller than
the transistors above you live in there. Anyway, yes, gender stereotyping, gender,
um, a bit of a different subject, but I mean, yeah, a lot of studies are on gender,
we're clothing as well, and just in general, if that's how it should be or not, that's the
debate, because people are people at the end of the day out, but a lot of it's society is gender
death, gender death, gender death. So I think here a lot of it was in the Dutch news where the
windrow and then priced, you know, a haircut for men was cheaper than the equivalent
haircut for women, and shampoo bottles with exactly the same ingredients were or priced,
that was a price difference base and gender. Yeah, I guess that's just something we'll pay.
But, um, yeah, political now shortly. But on this network, there are only two types of people,
well, I should have said one zero types of people, but it doesn't really work in audio,
hackers and those people who have done a show, and people who have yet to do a show.
I don't know how I'm posing that, look at this while I'm soldering, so,
do you know, do you know why I gave it to me? You just said, oh, oh, that really can't.
Don't tell me you haven't done a show after all these years, Seb. I mean, I only came on a new
year show a few years back, because it was popped up, but now it was festival where Bill Goulden, who mentioned
it some wonderful, um, that might be, uh, let's see what that, that's about. And then you're part of
the history or a new year tradition now. We can't go along with that. I just don't mean I've done
the show today, and I just don't know if it's that. No, you know, it's hinted. I have also
ready told you, I think, even in person. Have we met in person? I'm not sure. I think we have
actually. I think we did because I was at the, we've definitely passed each other, because, uh,
I've been a foster, and I've been in my own stands where you've been in my past, to me, or something.
I know you've, like, intrigued in the, in the, in the, in the majority, it's, and that wasn't me,
as an example. I would have known if it was, I would have known if it was you in person.
But test, you could do a show in the majority, I've often told you before.
Not as you did. Somebody can, well, here, like, we're now having a show about me filling in
resistors on a PCB that nobody can see seriously. People will listen to anything.
Not really interested in the Jair as much as I was a few years back, because,
what is that? But why, what's up, can you say?
Um, well, I think it's a little bit more personal, that should be a lot of, probably, personal, to
extend. Well, yeah, pulling more personal, really. Plus, I feel that it doesn't, um,
I mean, there's lots, lots of distroyers, and this one, great. It carries on the whole
magic memory, legacy, and it's all volunteer project, democratic, um,
boating on who's leader teams, all the rest of it. But at the same time, a person who
you feel that it doesn't, um, actually, in the bait, in certain ways, it doesn't really
mean. In the bait, it just, it's just one of those distroyers that takes up stream from
most part, um, rebrands it, puts in some changes, and keeps its old tools alive,
some of them need that dating, like, the installer could really do with nut date. I mean,
the one that really gets me in the installer, and the example, it's only a little
thing to be fair, but it does show those old software that could do with nut date, actually,
because, um, even now, all the easier, later, it's still, it's still mentioned as you can
slide here. That's just one example, but, um, but it just doesn't need some people actually,
you can, can actually work on the installer, I think, though, that many actual
developers who have to technical knowledge actually work on the installer properly,
and what I remember. Um, but yeah, so, it, yeah, it's just, I mean, it releases, and it
comes out of new versions, and I've got a laptop, I'm trying to set up again, um,
give it a, but it back with a new motherboard, and hard disk, and that,
I was going to put a bunch of on it, um, and I had pulled me to 16.04 and that,
that I was going to put my computer, five on to it as well. But to be honest, I'm also
mostly using, um, mobile phones now, or tablet, so, mostly mini PC, so I will be
once you've got that GPD pocket properly set up, but then that's as well.
Okay, all of those are regular shows as well, you know. So, that's the desktop and the laptop,
it's like, I don't really need one person, but I'm doing most of the time,
but I'm actually working in tech as well. You know, so, you know, yeah,
I do use a code or what you work at. I'm actually working in it as well, but that's
okay. I'm going to call it a night, guys. Have a new year, and can I think about doing a
bit scope bit? Journal, it was, thank you very much for all that. It was genuinely
helpful, even though you were strong. You're very welcome. Yeah,
two other thing about that, because it would be a nice one. You got your Arduino,
because we can put the code up, and then people can follow along, um, because I remember
when I did my engineering degree, that we were sure to sit at the silo scopes, and
really just went over my head. I had no context at the time for what I was doing. Yes, I was
able to do the exam and stuff, but I didn't really understand why I was doing it. Yep, right. Cool.
All right. Have a good night. Talk to you all right. Live long and prosper. Okay, night,
happy new year. Dying the whole, happy new year, forgot about that. Also, the other thing
actually, we're talking about working all, let's, let's, I'm a little Linux open source,
this kind of stuff. I've, what I've noticed as well, is that quite simply, if you
want to actually work within a sort of open source, and I'm talking about something good
with it as well, it's going to give you a good wage, and, you know, I think
generally speaking, you have to be quite technical. You have, not necessarily a computer
science degree, but you know, you've got to really know technical stuff, and then,
oh yeah, there's stuff you can do, because every now and again on Linux,
use a group, for example, I've seen it in the last, you know, a few years when I've been on
that, every now and again, the emails come with on, and it's like, hey, there's a, there's a,
there's a job going in this company in Bristol, and it's going to give you all this money
you per year, and we need to know this and that, and I look at those every now and again, I think,
yes, in a different life, I, I would have done that possibly, or I could have, you know,
said, done that, because I would have, long to university, and I would have had my computer science
degree, and I would have done this and that, but, you know, that didn't happen, so, so, so now,
I don't end up doing that, basically. Well, can I stop you there, because,
and somebody who has employed people, and occasionally has asked to recommend people,
there is one thing that every employer is looking for, and I'm talking about the engineers here,
and the EEV blog did a very good way back a few years ago, topic on this. It is not about
how many degrees you have, yes, you'll need that in order to get into the past the HR department
and all of us. It's not about what you can do, it's about your enthusiasm and your ability to learn.
These are the two things that will always make you an outstanding candidate, and I would always
recommend somebody, yes, this person has got, and there have been cases where we have hired people,
where somebody has got a master's degree and a thing, and we have hired the less qualified person,
or the person without a degree, but has some experience, and it's all come down to enthusiasm
at the end of the day. And if you're not working in the company that appreciates enthusiasm
in their employees, you'll really want to be working there either. That's all we've got to say about
well, well, well, yeah, I mean, some extent that's true, actually we're tech as well, that
you may not actually have that compute the science degree or whatever it is, but you may have
actually self-talk yourself at home a lot, and then you can be like, I actually did this website
or I worked on this project, I did this. That's what you've done. That's what you've done.
Or equivalent needs when they say, blah, blah, blah degree, or equivalent.
And a lot of times, if you go in and you apply to the job and you say, look, I'd love to
do it into you, I understand them not qualified for it, but I really appreciate just having
to look around your place, having a talk with you, and maybe there's work experience that
to be had, or maybe there's whatever. You can definitely get your foot in the door. People
are because it is so much easier to help somebody out, no matter how slow they are at learning,
it's just so much easier to help somebody out, who's willing to learn. God, that's...
Yeah, you have no idea, possibly. Also, there's something else that's turned off for the
time, I imagine that. Did I say, clucky? So, so far we've got a sea prompt,
I'm going to go Mr. Jackson, nerd, or McCody, operator, ah, they're Ross,
ah, you, and steam bottle. I mean, of course, everybody except me, I think everybody is
nutritious, except for the boss. Well, let's see, the Americans who are huge on here,
well, you know, they've had them in help, so they are either, uh, some of them are probably very
drunk right now, you know, the early hours of the morning, or they have possibly collapsed somewhere
and got some sleep, and that's probably basically it, and that's why they're not on the moment.
I mean, well, they're actually, it's not that early, is it seven something in New York, yeah,
but for these people? Yeah, but, uh, to put all the bands on whether they've got a
de-hoff on whether they're going to, oh, I wonder, is it just going to your show going to start?
I remember how one UI kept it going for goods, was it 16 hours afterwards, remember that?
Yeah, I was very impressed with that, and it was basically me as well, because I used to
pay, and then he popped on, maybe did it again, then they carried on, then I got went, went
sleep as well, and then I think it went on a good free hour or something after that as well.
Well, I'm going to keep it going until I have this transistor tester put together,
and then I'm going to stop, well, I'm going to be less involved, and right now I have
all the surface molecules in, all the resistors in, all the transistors in, all the ceramic
capacitors, well, I think I'll do the electric capacitors, which is a polarised, so we're
going to be careful about that, huh? Yes. Anyway, you said you were impressed, they kept going
for so long. You were genuinely interested in them, were you? Yes. Well, because it actually is
carried on for so long, something like that. I was like the new ratio is slightly different to
your regular HBR thing, and I was in the beginning, I was a little bit thinking it's a
quote, waste of shows on court, but it doesn't it actually these bills community, so that's
Kevin pointed out that, so yeah, it's a different beast, and once my brain was able to accept that,
then I, and also the fact that I'm not actually responsible for posting it or
sharing this, and we had a, I had a thing where it would be posted immediately afterwards,
but people don't seem to mind if it comes out in April or February or whenever, so yeah,
she loved man, she lacks. I do actually think that it should come out as soon as possible,
personally after what Jen Jen was speaking, then I strongly recommend, I will send you the files
and you can edit this. And especially, yeah, and I know it's especially the show note too, so they who,
you know, shut up. I know it's like, love editing and sharing notes and stuff to do as well,
so it's not quite as simple as just putting out straight away. No, it is not. There's a lot of work
involved in it, and I'm so glad that Hunky has agreed to do it, or if he has something, we will
do it, but it's, I tend to be a little bit more brutal than I'll just split the whole thing up
for hours, and I'm just going to show notes because that you didn't use some firm,
put more stuff in Jen Jen. Well, this year, the show notes have been brilliant, I think,
down to Casper from the Inland Brothers podcast, I think it's done a lot of show notes,
so that makes it a lot easier and a lot nicer. Yeah, this Casper has been on,
he's been brilliant, well, because he's been putting music into the show at times as well,
yes, which was actually quite nice with his guitar and stuff, but he's an illegal alien, he has, you know,
he and his alien brother are from a lot of this world, and he's not on this thing anymore,
but I will not even in hand in the, so the long lead of the capacitor is a positive.
Well, I didn't hear some of this stuff, but I believe he did a Ken song or something like that,
well, I'm too late for him, you know, when he, when he, when he, when he was in the trail,
he did like a, this is a lot of him when he can, it's not his song if I'm incredibly bad.
I think Ken could be a zone board, you know, just, oh, you want me to show, why don't you do a show about that?
Oh, I didn't hear you do a show about that. I very nearly post my capacitor in the wrong way around there,
that's because you're distracting. Here at the BBC, you're going to lock up their website,
without, that you can't get in without a post called or without a license number.
I did not hear that, but, um, I don't think I hear it yet, but I'll be okay, not the news website,
just drive that, no, just don't care. Well, I mean, the whole, you know, the UK is what the TV
license, which is basically the fun of the BBC, so yeah. Yeah, it seems reasonable, but unfortunately,
there's no option to pay for that license outside of the country, that would be nice.
Well, well, true, but that way is around that outside of the B outside of the country,
it's still getting a bomb. You mean, it's just not really meant to do that, but, you know,
well, on the other hand, a lot of cable networks carry the BBC, so, you know, you could say,
oh, well, you're not meant to do that, but more region TV, make conscious efforts to make everything
that they produce, they release it under a creative commons license with the idea that they're
spreading Norwegian culture, so, you know, you could argue that as a service to the British Empire,
or the British people, that you would release the British programs to the masses.
Well, I didn't know about them, Norwegian thing, that's interesting.
And the BBC has, what it's got, you know, shows like Dr. Houd, I don't really go into that
investment, you know, it's meant to be really popular. And just because of the work where it doesn't
mean, it can't be free. And I'm probably in devil's advocate here slightly, but yeah,
I was upgeased to be really popular in that round 12, but it's fair money as well.
And did you follow the top here? Not me, I mean, what are what circumstances here in that,
I never go into that properly? What's the room, they come back, Sarah, for a bit as well.
Who are our numbers on, have, has many people moved, terms on to watch it?
I assume that quite a few people probably did, they're going to get Amazon to watch actually,
but all these other shows as well, so there's so much TV in UK can watch on TV and so on on these things.
True, true. Of course, if you had the satellite dish and we're living somewhere that could pick up
the signals, they're all unencrypted, free to wear. So there you go, but that would probably be breaking
the lower something. Well, yes, so I moved into this flat and had to obviously sort of TV
likes and stuff out, but yeah, I mean, you could, yeah, the satellite dish will just pick up whatever
anyway, but they know if you're not watching it or apparently not watching it when TV likes it. Yeah,
basically, I think they don't put database of every house in the country and then subtract
people who pay their license from that and then work with the way from there. There's no way to tell
now if you're watching TV or not back in the day, you would be able to pick up the signal
up the frequencies of the CRT. What's else can somebody work to do with you or both that,
or you run away screaming? Okay, what's next? I think the crystal, the crystal, I will put it in
the crystal, yeah. My wife's definitely think. She said, why is it come on now, yeah, or just
it all for a bit, or is that just in the background? She's just in the background teasing me. She
get your wife to come on to the show show at some stage. She will be on at some stage and we
will be sick and tired of hearing her on this project. Yes, yes dear, whenever we get her finished,
we bring her kids on this year. Well, it seemed a moment of your day and I missed that.
No, that may not. Guys, they're busy playing something. Let's see if they can come on. Believe
me, we've got lots of time because I've got this nowhere near finish this. So you don't have
to stay on. I will just continue walking here and then it'll seem like them. No, no, I'm a bit
bored anyway, so I will thank you very much. No, I'm not doing anything as such today. There's
a plan that's set up. I should have actually put in this crystal first because it's a lot more
down on the component that's next to it with pins or a little bit bent. So we shall see.
And also the guy mentioned when he was doing the video that we should really have the crystals
of a bit because the tin case can short with the pads. And so we'll see how we go over here.
Okay, pots are straightened and then it's some sort of tweezers. Yes, I have to buy tweezers as well,
of course, because yeah, I thought at the point of the headset maybe, but then yeah, so I think you do
it. Well, maybe I do. I didn't have how good is this coming out. Well, not on the middle. It's
fine. It was brutal that earlier on when you had the back of the back feed was going to
what you got that sort of. Yeah, because there was no headphones in. Yeah. But I was going to,
well, I was going to, I thought, okay, HPL show. I want to probably my laptop again. I want to
set my Linux up on that laptop before handles, so I'm going to be sitting there and windings again.
Oh, no, because I did that before. I remember doing that. I was sort of doing it from my laptop.
And then it was like, hey, I moved to a new flat. Have I got my headset and I thought this,
like, a good two-month or so ago. You know, I was like, how have I got my headset? So I looked around
for a headset. The course that you do and it's like, oh, um, I think it's actually at the other
health or the house. I don't have it here. So like, right, I'm guessing I have to check the other day
around Christmas time. You know, or for that. And I'm like, right, I can have to buy a new headset,
I guess. I was like, right, I can buy one off. I've got some habit to live with down the road.
So you know, I've got some down there. That's what I was going to do. But then I was going to get
as there anyway, get food and so on, you know, they do. And I thought, like, oh, actually,
I could pull you by one and that's the, uh, which is like a supermarket. Oh, yeah, don't have
them in. I'll indeed. Well, I know what an as-do is because I, it's like, um, but there are people
that are the sites who wouldn't know what an as-do is. Well, maybe an at Walmart isn't, and it's
like the equivalent of Walmart basically, but in the UK, it's called as-do in the UK. It's not
Walmart, but it's actually the same parent company. I think Walmart owns as-do as well. Yeah,
it's sort of hard. Uh, so it's basically, it has, it's basically Walmart, but in the UK,
we were the different name and probably maybe bit smaller. But, but yeah, I went, so I went to
and I was there at the, you get in. Um, I looked at the headset section and they had a nice little
leak from the snow, did like, day before in the ceiling, whatever that was. And it's like,
gaming headsets are 30 something pounds. And I thought, yeah, I expect to pay about 30 pounds
so they're actually, but I looked around a bit and I was some other headset, so it said,
PC headset, and it was about seven pounds, which is quite cheap, but I thought, hey, it's
as-do isn't it. Pot-po-the-war, and so I thought, that's probably what I want to actually,
all of that, I can say, you're some money here, actually. So I thought, I bought the, uh,
that headset and then here I am on, uh, you know, what was it, the night before this,
something like that, so you know, you're sure, yeah. Yeah, it's something like that. And I've,
I actually open up, take the classes, you know, use the scissors, get rid of the plastic and
guess what I found out. Probably. Well, I was hoping to buy a USB headset, you know, the
USB headset, you know, the USB headset, that you don't use planes. Oh, I'll never let you.
Oh, I'll never let you, I'll never let you, I'll never let you. But it's like, yeah, it's, it's,
yeah, I think it's a lot of other styles, isn't it? The port, yeah, the audio jack, the ports,
the, you know, that the other way of doing it, isn't it? And that's all, well, my laptop
doesn't even have these ports. I mean, let's check that. And yep, there's no ports of that on there,
yes, there you go. Oh, I do. It says that's what cheap means then, huh?
I did say PC headset, you know, I'm sure a lot of people could have made the same mistake.
You just, you still just think it's going to be USB there. I'm not sure what's that? What
did I cost you? It was quite cheap there. It was feels about seven pounds. If I still
expensive for a USB headset for like, you're, and I wasn't, I wasn't USB, it was a, it was
with the, yeah, even a thingy headset. I would say that's quite expensive. If you go to the action here,
you can pick them up or we are three or four euros. I don't know if that's, well, I don't know if
that's fully expensive, but, you know, generally speaking, if you buy a headset and any of these
the shops as the carry PC world or any of the stuff, you're probably talking about 30,
quite usually, for a good enough one really. So I thought compared to that, that's actually cheaper,
but I think that doesn't have the normal USB on it. I don't do it. Right, I'm doing a chipholder
in a bit tire-nature. That tumble works on the Andrew tumble free, although you have to
drag me into the room because I could really good not connect myself, just trying to
contract myself in for some reason. Yeah, but still you're, no, that's an important thing.
So here's a good one, actually. So yeah, I was setting up the slaptop, as I mentioned,
I believe, so yeah, you know, you do the Windows first because that's always troublesome,
I'm sure you know, the updates take care of you, something goes wrong, I'll just build all that.
But so yeah, do you have this new motherboard put back to Windows? It point one by the, yeah,
HP or their partner company really could sense them sort of actually. So I did all that upgrading
it back to Windows 10, which stuck ages, because you know, it's Windows, and did the updates there,
again, all this stuff, and then I was like, you know, I'm doing other stuff as well, so you're
doing like them down. Okay, I can put Linux on here now, I think. And so I'm trying to do it again on
the like two nights or night before the new issue I figured was, as I mentioned that. And so I'm,
so I put, I put, but then I did the, but new 16.04.3 ISO, I put it onto a USB stick as a
receiver, 32 gear by USB Z, that was meant to be new from Curry's PC. Well, actually,
anyway, put it on there, and I burnt it, and there was a few issues with that one or something
that didn't quite work correctly. I had to be a partition. I used another USB stick. I mean,
it wasn't the first one that didn't install, it didn't put everything on from the ISO pop. It's
the second one did, but when I load it up, I had to use the unit boot, and I tried that as well,
but I load it up, and I got grab coming up from the USB stick, but when I try and
load up a bunch of, it's going black screen, and it won't go any further basically. I'm one of
why that is. I'm now disabled school boot on the laptop, I'm thinking if I need to disable some
meals like fast boot, because I'm, or something like that, because I did that this time,
I don't know if it's, you know, I don't want my problem is quite, whoo, how to know,
where to try that? I think it's in the past to disable fast boot as well,
well, I was looking around the bios, maybe I need to do that, but you know, you want that,
it's annoying when you can't install limits, isn't it? Because of some silly reasons,
but you still work fine on that laptop, no problem, so I'm wondering what I'm doing wrong this
time. Yeah, yeah, it's hard to know what those bios are because every computer is going to be
different, you know? Yeah, maybe it's just that's boot, but if you have to ask to try again,
they're one really, they just, you know, I don't want to be sitting there with Windows 10,
then that's it, no way, not on that laptop, and I'm, and I'm generally thinking actually that
with my GP pocket, my ultra mini PC, one, and whatever, that, I might just actually do it now,
I'm just actually literally Windows and be, don't have it, because do you have a link for that GPD
pocket thing? You pop that in the shoulders? You can, well, you can buy it. I'm soldering, if you could
do that, that will be handy, or not, you're only a fool. Okay, hold on a second, the fair, good point.
Let me see, GPD pocket, golf, papa, delta, yeah, GPD pocket, that's another device I will be
setting up, and I would recommend anybody who, who think who wants a small part. Oh, those things
they are cool. I, I really lost it after one of those, one of the guys on work was going to buy one. Yes,
I got, I got the GPD XD with extra space, because when I sort of crowdfund that, I mean, they're
already sold it with less space, I've got the GPD win as well, which, uh, didn't know, Windows 10 didn't
last very long, and that before I kind of cupped it, because of actually there's a bug in the factory
set, so I did the factories, and it basically co-up to that or something, and it's seven dollar people
as well. So, the GPD pocket, I, nah, she was, I can't deeply pocket it in the factory, is that?
I locked myself out of Windows, but I know the way to get my hand back, but I'm going to
basically be, um, taking probably the actual GPD version of a bunch, who won 16.041 to GPP
pocket later on sometime, because they actually, when it was crowdfunded, while I was saying last year,
now, 2017, when it was funded last year, 2017, they really need to, uh, they really need to,
they really need to do a few turns, what's that? Yeah, the last year was 2017, this year is 2018,
it's only just, but yes, so when I crowdfunded it last year, 2017, I thought I didn't crowdfunded,
and I have money to do it at the time, so I got a later one, I was about to run away,
but anyway, they were, they were, they were crowdfunding, you're going to get two options,
do you win those 10 preinstalled, or do you want to, and that's 16.041, it's a GPD version,
how where it's slightly different, so has to, it's not a standard of a bunch, they were slightly customised enough,
and, um, I got, and then it said they, well, they were pleased with the sort of turn,
why are to the community for the a bunch, they were not a window, so you could, if you
got to, you could switch it over to other, other one basically, and so after they're still,
now they only sell the windows version, anywhere that, anyone who, anyway that sells it,
only sells the windows version, why is that? I don't know, I guess they've just sort of given
up on the window, one, or it's because you can put it on yourself anyway, even though you've got
the window, the one that came preinstalled windows by mine, and also that apparently the GPD version
of a bunch, there isn't as good, because I haven't done it, I read somewhere, but there's also
a community doing, like, there's a 17.04 version under the community, there's a 17.10 version
being worked on, I believe, there's even things like mates, sorry, mint, mint, there's a mint,
there's an unofficial, there's a, I think it's manager, link, Linux, where it's called,
Manjaro, M-A-N-J-A-R-O, yeah. Manjaro is based on a, so,
an arch-based Linux distribution, there's that under the community as well, so what I'm basically
going to do is I'm going to, when you put the, a bunch of DPD version on, it will wipe out window
running, where it will take up the whole higher, there's going to have that, there's no option
to change that I've read somewhere, that's fine, so I'll put that on, try that out first,
if different views are available to USB, but I'll put it on, try it out first, and then I'll
probably be like, okay, this is quite nice, and this is good, but yeah, I may, I may just stop
grades to the community versions of 17.5, there's a lot of videos on YouTube, like,
sort of how you do it and stuff, it's some very, very good YouTube videos of the extra
acts, and then apparently with me, to be able to do can draw a bit of windows actually,
but I may or may not do that, the pens, I'm just a bit, I'm just a bit frustrated,
wait, we didn't do it again, you know, I've just been doing stuff for the laptop, things
not quite going right away with the update, so even has a weird issue where on that HP laptop,
it was not logging in for a while, properly I was getting a blue screen, the best I was getting,
was getting really slow and it became a kid, you know, windows is the hassle, I'm sorry,
I'm not, I'm talking about it. No, I have to run windows for 15 years now, but you have,
well, I haven't been running it, I've not, because you know, it's a hassle, yeah, I mean,
you don't need to, yeah, I presume so, but I would probably have the same problems if I was
installing BSD or Slaris or something else. I don't know, and now I think,
now I think, generally, then it's actually much more reliable in that sense, because windows,
you know, you've got the issue with the updates, and then it'll be booting, and then it's also
going to potentially get viruses, a lot easier and all, but it's going to be a viruses, a lot easier,
that's another, that's a side point, but as we all know who was going to be listening to this,
that, you know, then, it's generally works better, it's more reliable, it's more stable,
it's more, it's got better performance, it, you know, it's generally works better, technically it works,
a lot better, obviously. Obviously, certain programs can be lacking for at times,
they can even do the web before, but that's a side issue. What did you say?
Just soldering an LED, but all your arguments could equally be met by windows, you know,
it's by and large. The only argument that can be met for Linux is that it's free and open to
a software. Well, you know, the counter argument can be met, look at the hard people,
look at all the things that have come out, there's been a lot more targets on Linux recently than
I mean, the windows, windows has done an amazing amount to make their software secure in the last
period of time. Well, it might be a bit more secure now, but it's still going to get viruses
easier, although windows isn't completely bad or not everything, and that's actually kind of showing
by something like ReactOS, when you think about it, the kind of open-source version of Windows,
or whatever that is meant for, you know, it's been in health for so long, but it has that one,
and I'm new. Yes, I've interviewed them twice. Post them. Yeah, yeah, through their stand there
the last two years. And it's just kind of funny though, well, not funny, but I remember going
to that stand that falls down a bit, but it was last year, or maybe this year, that the 2017 or 2016,
last year, the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all the one before, you know, and I went around that
and it's like, oh, cool, yeah, okay, Raptor S, cool, we've got a stand and all like, yeah, yeah,
I've tried it on about machine, I know about that for years, and he was, they were trying to
show Microsoft Word running in ReactOS, really working popular in things like that, and it's
they got laptop to test the program, and so I went on to the computer and I was like,
hang on a minute, this is basically crashing, it's like, oh, yeah, let's just fix that up a bit,
but yeah, I mean, it's nice idea otherwise because it would be, if only it could run more
Windows program, it shares a lot of code while in apparently now to it or to an extent,
but you know, if it could, if you could, if you could run lots of Windows program, these are
in wine and well, not hitting a miss, but I mean, just generally it works,
99, you know, most stuff just works and the same with some of that ReactOS, and I think that would
be good, but need of those things are quite there yet for that.
Yeah, but they're also always going to be chasing the chasing and moving target.
So, but it's actually they're always chasing, but you're moving target as well,
because the way they change is, but I think the Windows Linux thing, the battle is over,
at this point, the war is over, so there's a few battles left to fight, but essentially Linux is
well, for now, and then something like that. Well, it's one, you could say Linux is, I would say
that Linux has one pretty much every other technical area that matters, you know, super computers
and servers, the robotics, the NASA, the all that kind of stuff, the mobile phone that you've
been feeling include Android underneath that, and it's definitely one of the mobile phone and tablet
as well or enough, so, but obviously there's that one area where it doesn't lack, and I'm sure
you know what I'm about to say without you saying it, but I will say it, is that one area
where it doesn't have one for various reasons, that is of course the desktop computer, the standard
laptop or desktop, which is my point, no, I disagree, you have more Chromebooks being pushed out
every year, they're all on Linux kernels, and then you are seeing that on the desktop, especially
where I work, where there's quite a lot of developers that they're tend to be running
other macOS or Linux, so some of them are using version of Windows, but the point is the
battleground that we have been fighting so long for, so the desktop is becoming more and more
niche as time goes on, as you say yourself, you're now recording this on a mobile device,
all the people who are trying, who I was trying to convince my family to use various
desktops or whatever, they've all switched to move in some sort of galaxy tabs, so they're all running the next.
But you also have to think about that most of the people don't care what platform they're using,
they mostly just care about the applications that they're using, because even in the Linux world,
like most of us will run anything from a bunch of Debian and Arch Linux to, you know,
Red Hat, RPM based, distro, they're all relatively different, and they all have their own
things, they're granted Linux is the unaligning thing, but it's all completely different the way
those systems run, but it's, you know, and most people don't care, they just want their apps
to be able to get them as fast as possible and get them running, and then you have people who
don't care at all what the unaligning pinning is, who just want to run their apps, and those
to the people who usually, they got windows with their computer, and then they have the applications
that they need, or want, and then that's the end of it, and it wouldn't really cares about what
generally analigning system is, except for us, because we care about, you know, how things get done,
and we want to try to get them done the way we want them to get done. We are the niche people,
that's, but because we want to go that extra mile, learn the way computers and systems work,
you know, we, we, we, we're the people who, who fight for, for Linux, I mean, there's no,
but there's no reason to, I never understood the fight for the desktop because, who cares, you know,
like you're, it's, it's, we, we're using this because it works for us, and if they want to use
that, and it works for them, I do care because, well, I do care when it comes to me personal,
because when I went to work, and they, I said, guys, I would prefer to use an Linux desktop
and they said, okay, I use whatever you want, so long as you can do your job. Okay, that's fine,
and that's what I do. I used in the next desktop, it doesn't affect me if there's any problem with
the software, I need to fix it, I don't fix that on my own time, if I can. So yeah, everything's
on Kadorian, you, I just, the only differentiation, the arguments were running in Linux versus
Mac is kind of what you were familiar with, it's your own personal preference, but the differentiation
between all of them, it's not that they've all got a good security model or bad security model
or the software or is whatever, because you're going to have bugs in every software, every piece of
software. The only differentiation between this piece of software and the other piece of software
is the license under which it was released, that is the difference, and it's, the more, I think
about it, the more important that becomes, that that is the difference, a difference, a, different
CH or, and that's all I have to say about that, really, it's, yeah. Yeah, and I definitely can't
argue against that, it's for sure. With me, it's mostly just workflow, and I really don't have,
have the patience anymore to deal with Microsoft's licensing, which is the biggest reason
why I got into Linux is, I don't want to deal with all of, like, I had no problem paying for
Microsoft. I have no problem. I purchased, I've purchased a Windows XP and Windows 7 license,
both 7 is where I, I draw the line. I bought a family license, so I can put it on my wife, my
mother-in-law's computer, then my wife's computer, and I'm using it for helping other people out,
because I'm not going to get, I'm not going to, I'm not going to win that battle with them,
so I don't even bother trying. So with, with me, the biggest thing, though, it's, you know,
it's, it differs obviously from person to person, with, with you, it's the licensing with me,
it's just workflow. I've got into a point where, I can, if I can put it, which, uh, set a machine up,
I don't care what the backpinnings are and put lightmen on it, I'm happy as a clan.
Yeah, but my point is, if you look back here, uh, you're saying the reason you're doing
this is workflow, I could argue with you, any number of engineers where I work, that they've
got to workflow based on their operating system or based on the system that they've developed,
and, uh, for them, that's as a valid and argument to use windows, as a valid, as an argument
to use Linux, or as a valid argument to use VST. It's, but the thing that bites them in the boss
is, uh, is the thing that plateau mentions is where there's suddenly change it, and that's,
is that at that point where the license kicks in, because it's at that point that project
acts as forked off, and people continue to develop an operation, whatever, and you can continue
to maintain your workflow, whereas other people are then forced to adapt.
And here is a point that if I had gotten on probably at an earlier moment, I would have loved to
talk more about, and if you listen to Linux, logcast, I've probably brought up several
several, several times. As the bell for the 32 bit, what the hell is going on that everyone's
dropping support for 32 bits? Great, just the only pocket guys, the e-pock is coming,
the end of time. But it's, it's not like, it's not like there's anything wrong with 32 bit,
it's not like 32 bits like broken. Why are you dropping support for 32 bits? Because times
running out, but we need bigger numbers. But there's still 32 bit machines out there. Why not just
leave it there? It would leave support for it. But I did the other day find a fork of Arch Linux
called, Arch Linux 32. So other people are, you know, keeping the hope alive. I'm thinking
about this, I'm thinking about this forked a bunch, but I'm slowly just migrating all my
systems to Debbie and the systems, because I feel like Debbie and there's going to be reliable
and keeping with 32. My head came for that a little bit, but um, okay, so yeah, the third,
I missed some of that, but yeah, the 13 bit thing. I mean, the old thing actually within it's
one, the old thing is a classic line would be that it's actually, Linux worked much better with
all the hardware, Linux breathe life into all the hardware. That was like, you know, the
classic selling line of the past. And a bad one, if you don't mind me, so it's a, well,
possibly, but that, you know, I'm trying to say, but I'll see with the 32 bit being dropped by a
lot of district, you can understand during extent by the one and do it, or I can understand
definitely if somebody who actually does, so I'm not as interested in radio earlier, but I do
actually still, I'm slow on the various mailing lists, so I get the, I see various emails here
and there about what's going on, the packaging and the quality assurance and all that kind of stuff.
So, when you follow a district, like, be it major, be it a bunch, be it whatever,
do you actually follow a distribution, closely enough on its mailing list,
so I've been doing one majority of the last, oh yeah, is now. You know that actually,
there's a lot of effort, a lot of time, it takes a lot of people to actually make this stuff happen,
so you have to package stuff, you have to support stuff, you have to do quality assurance,
make sure what actually works and is, is okay for the public and all the rest of it, so,
you have to test ISO, in case of a year, I mean, they were tested, they'd still do test all the ISO
manually, there's no automatic testing here, it's done on the small quality assurance gene,
alpha 1, alpha 2, alpha 3, alpha 4, this, but alpha 1, 2, beta 1, 2, but there's all the internal ISO
testing as well, and the updates are tested, it's all tested by people manually, and so you can kind of
see, some of the ISOs did get proper recent the year, but last two years, because it's like,
do we need, back in just two seconds, slightly different example, but it was like, do we need a
loan or a KD in 30 to a bit and 64 bit now when it was like, well, then KD has got a bit more bloated now,
so, what we're doing is says we'll drop, we'll drop the ISOs, but we'll have to,
actually, we can look at the ISOs itself, but that's one example, but yeah, it's got something
in XFCE ISO appeared into the mix instead, because that would work better with all the hardware,
so that's what that was done, but what I was going to say is 32 bit and 64 bit, I think that,
yeah, I generally speaking of 32 bit should still be supported, I would say under Linux,
because there are actually quite a lot of 32 bit machines out there still, like you just said,
don't argue whether the name is, but on the other hand, you can sort of understand why they
kind of want to drop these distributions, these versions, this architecture now, because, you know,
it's like, well, it's 2018 now, actually, it's, you know, 2020, and it's like, a lot of these
old computers that need really do need 32 bit are potentially going to not really be working
properly in, say, four five years, although here's the thing, my mum's going to
all lapse up from 2,000 to five, which is only 32 bit, and oh yes, that runs well,
we're doing that still, we need to update them, actually, but, so it's to do with the kind of
the future as well, it's, and the effort and the work, and it's like, if only a few people use
32 bit, is it worth still having ISOs, it's worth supporting that, that architecture,
because if it's only just a few thousand, you know, it's just a kind of debate as well,
but I think, because it's the next, there will be distributions that still,
to port 30 due to it for a long time to come regardless of all of this,
just like, a bit like, just like there are some distributions that
refuse to go with a time to go with system D, because they want to use the old thing, you know,
do you see what I'm saying? Yeah, but you're talking about, like, port projects versus, you know,
major distributions that have a great deal more backing. I mean, like I said, there's an
arch Linux 32, but, you know, how long, you would have basically sit there across your fingers
and hope that this team of arch Linux 32 are still going to keep pushing forward with their
four-year project, you know, and that's, and that's going to be true with anybody else who
forks a project, you know, if, I don't know, I think if more people were more vested in this,
maybe they could have changed their minds or swayed or something, I don't know, maybe they're just
going to, maybe the major projects are going to do what they're going to do, and that's space.
Well, but, well, yeah, but, I mean, okay, magia, yeah, that's not, but, you know, that's what
I was talking about as well, but, actually, even a major project, something like,
about, let's say, Ubuntu, as, you know, a great prime example of what we're talking about,
really, yes, the bunch you are now, we're going to drop 32, but I read somewhere,
and you might think, oh, the bunch you've got most of desktop Linux users, why are they dropping 32
bit? There's, well, there'd be loads of people still using 32 bit, a bunch me when they're probably
are, but, on the other hand, the bunch you are is, or conical, I mean, a bunch you are,
is, a bunch you're, itself, desktop version does not make conical money really, or will not enough,
so they can't crop it, of course, because they can't, because that's like the base of other things,
as well, it's like, they could, they could drop you a bunch of you phone and the R&T8,
and all that stuff, and they're, but they're, but it's dropping 32.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and the fact that they're dropping it is going to mean that all their derivatives, which is,
you know, the frickin' hundreds, I think, well, I might maybe, I'll be over-speaking there,
but then, you know, the many, many derivatives are all going to have to drop it, too.
Well, possibly, but I think what I'm trying to say is, well, they're dropping it,
probably partly, really, because making ISOs, 1432 bit, there's no money in that, you know,
there's a, there's a company, there's a conical, there's no money for start to just do that,
and also even as a community, that's just loads of more testing work and quality assurance and
all the rest of it, and they're probably thinking, well, we're going to have to drop it, some say,
just spit like the old, you know, the Windows XP argument, the whole Microsoft, we're going to drop
support in 2010, but then they decided that they were extended by four years,
probably because this didn't have to take enough off and off and stuff like that as well, really,
but they don't tell the undfieders, we're going to have to drop, we're going to have to drop
XP support, and we can't keep it supported forever, and that's basically the same with the 32 bit
argument, one of these distribution projects, I mean, lot of districts have closed down,
there's been a lot of past districts that have closed down for various reasons,
but it's not just that, but you can't, it's, you know, it makes it difficult to support
you all the hardware, the older things, as time goes on, like, can do, and that's, I think, as well,
which is partly why they're dropping 32 bit, I think, some of these, yeah, but the argument against that
is they are, a lot of the districts have already got 32 bit testing work rules in place
that are rock solid over the years, right, but quality assurance testing and like I was talking
about it, you have to test all this stuff, it's more worth it, but it's automation, they all
are set for my J, but that's, yeah, but the largely just shows which are the ones who are dropping
stuff, how about automated test flows, don't they? Open Susan those, or how do you
know how to do it, yeah, how to automate it, I think, and yeah, I'm sure it's all
compiled automated, but I'm sure they're sending it out to people protesting afterwards,
yeah, and I do think I've been a bit, the decision's earlier on about the, the, the E-box
coming in 2038, but there's still enough harder out there, and people were supporting a lot
weirder architectures for a lot longer than I 32, and I 32 still around, a lot of them.
I think it's, it's still, all of my 32 bit systems still run just far, I mean, they're like,
I didn't know they're older hardware with like 4GavX RAM and, you know, dual core processors,
like, like 2.5 gigahertz dual core processors, but you know what, if I'm doing mostly desktop stuff,
like, using the web, or even just smaller stuff, like I had new audio editing on any of those
machines without any problem. I'm not, I'm not editing video, but I have the edited video in some
of my older machines, it's not great, I was using open shot and open shot has been kind of
flaky anyways, but it's, it's still worked, you know, I mean, but it's, there's, I can't see
a valid reason to kill them, you know, new and shiny. The only, the only other reason I see is
the 238 thing, and we could start worrying about that in, you know, another 15 years.
Right, well, considering all the, all the OS's have already been patched to deal with it,
so yeah, hey man, I've missed something, it was a 238 thing. You know, the Unix
Council, every second since the first of January 1970 UTC is epoch, so that's how Unix keeps
its time. At a particular point, oh, that's a 32-inch during that overflows, and that will happen.
Well, we've been on 3, 14, 0, 7 in the morning of the 19th of January 2038, which is a
Tuesday. What Unix will, it won't like it, is that you're saying that's a style that will go back to the 1970,
like everything does. So if you ever see a file date with a 1970, 0, 1, 0, 1, that's what happened
the date hasn't been set. So basically, if you have a Raspberry Pi, it doesn't have an internet connection,
everything gets 1970, 0, well, I don't know if Raspberry Pi does do it, but they don't have a real
time clock, so yeah. Okay, real real time, right, okay, fine, yeah, but, okay, so if you chain one of these
devices yourself to that date, it's going to go back to the 1970s when we stopped there, was it?
Well, we can't deal with anything bigger than the 1970, that's the point.
The firmware on the machine has got, is only capable of dealing with a number, and one set,
number reaches the end, it'll add a one, and then it'll go back to 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4.
Remember the Y2K? Yeah, I just think it, yeah, I just think it's okay if that's
okay. In this case, it's a valid reason, and we've got 38 years to deal with it, or less,
about 38 minus 70, ising now, which makes it a lot easier. We've got 20 years to deal with it,
all the OS's operating systems have already been patched, but it's at that point that the 32-bit
chips become less useful, not unusable. It's just anything related to time, keeping track of time,
related to years, will be an issue. Keeping track of time, related to time, since that button
has been pressed should not be able to. Ah, wait, what do you mean that you mean the chip itself?
So, the hardware will kind of run out, it's a normal software. Yeah, and then you can't reset that
plot, because it'll be stuck back on 1970, and that's it, basically. Well, you can set it from
only time between 1970 up until the first, sorry, the 19th of January, 2023. That's not a problem,
but anything outside of that could be a problem. Well, you could always do the Microsoft hack on us
and say, well, if it's closer to 19, split the difference, it could switch everything around the
year 2000 and say, well, if it's the year 2000, then I'll foot just by adding so many days,
but that doesn't actually matter. The point is, if you look at the nitric, I don't know if
if you look at nitric computers, now they're still in use. They still have a valid use.
It's just not, they're not maintaining date codes related to, this is the year, or if they are,
then you set it and it just goes, right, since I was turned on, I have started counting numbers,
and you tell me that I need to add so many numbers to this date. So you say it is the first of
January, 2018, and I've been turned on, and you set the date to the first of January, 2018, okay,
and now I'll start counting, and then you will be happily able to count another
60-8 years without the greener problem. I feel like I'm not explaining this correctly.
Well, I don't know, I think I still understand, but yeah, and there's an internal clock in a lot of
these things, and yeah, when you like, if you take your back, yeah, what happens to your, what happens to
your, uh, you have a clock in the wall with hands on the jet? Yeah, well, yeah, I got clocked so
as well. No, no, I'm just asking, do you have a moment of luck on the wall at this minute?
So what happens? I've got, I've got, well, I've got, yeah, I've got 11 and I've got 11.
65 AM, five minutes later, the clock is running out, yeah, what do we do? So the clock resets,
yeah, it starts reserting to 12, again, yeah, so we in our brains automatically adjust and we go,
ah, the sun is out, so it's 12 in the afternoon, so 12, 0-1 means that's what the time is, yeah,
problem is, if you've got a, like a digital clock that doesn't have AM or PM on it, and it says 12,
you've got to ask yourself, does this clock do an AM or PM, if it's 11-55, we don't know what's
going to happen on that clock, this is, because it's 11, you know, is it capable of displaying 12
up to 24 or 23-9-9, 24, let's be honest? You don't actually know what's going to happen,
so with a 32-bit processor, or a 32-bit chip, it's only capable of counting up time to say midday,
yeah, and then at that point, you mean, it's like, it's like, I mean, it's like,
there's an analogy here, yeah, and I am, I am an analogy, but you sort of mean like, in this case,
if the, uh, if the clock can actually, the show, the zero, zero, zero, zero,
would like midnight, or if it can't show that, because it's going to go straight back to,
so 11-59-59, there's no problem, yeah, on your display, yeah, 12-0-0, on your analog clock,
it resets back to 12 hours before, because it can only display 12 hours of information, yeah,
same thing happens with the chips, they're counting from a particular point in time. Now,
if you have a stopwatch that can only display 12 hours, yeah, that doesn't matter, because somebody's
running around the, somebody's running around the, uh, the track area, and you press the button
and it starts counting, that doesn't matter, so you have a, you can, regardless of what time of the
date is, you can still track that person running around the track, yeah, because you've got
a stopwatch, you know, with me, so they, in fact, so long as that person doesn't run around the
track, longer than 12 hours, which is unlikely to happen, yeah, then you can happily continue to
use stopwatches that can only display 12 hours of information, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, now these
clocks, the 32-bit ones, can only count to a number, up to what is the, what is the next decimal
number is 21, let's, uh, 1, 2, by big number. 32-bit integer is assigned 32-bit integer. Why did it
a sign go on, is beyond me? I did it up to you, but I just want to do, uh, here for hearing a lot of
screaming upstairs, so I'm going to have to go back upstairs. I just want to say happy new year
to everybody. Um, thank you for everything. Thank you for everybody to help this year.
Thanks for putting this together. It's awesome. Welcome you. I just love doing it and I love
it. I, I, I didn't get on this year as much as I would like to, but I just, I love, I love doing
this every year. So, thank you for everybody. I love and I love more since you started taking over.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the clock won't be able to show a particular hour or whatever after the
last hour, the last bit. Okay, so it has to be, so it has to reset back, in this case,
it's not just a, it's not just a time, it's a year as well, it's going to go all the way back to
1970, where exactly I was saying, but that's what happens also when you like, you know,
you've got a battery that kind of take it out. Exactly. And that's why it does that something.
And that's exactly why it does that chip. But that's a problem. So Hunky's point is like,
okay, what we have another 20 years useful life. So these 32-bit chips can continue to operate
for another 20 years without a brainer problem. Yeah. And even after that,
they can still continue to operate because so long as you don't care about that's 1970.
What does a matter? You know, if your email comes in and it's 1971, you know that it is
2036 plus a few days. And you can always set the clock. Yeah, yeah. You can always reset the clock
possibly. You know, probably be able to do a hack where after that time,
you could reset the clock that little display correctly because you go, yeah,
take into account the flip over, which is exactly what happens on all XP machines.
Our Windows 95 machines is that they said, okay, yeah, after this time we're just going to,
if the number flips over, then you just add 52 it and then you don't. Yep. So you may not be able
to use them as easily for doing a clock, but you can still use those chips for doing stopwatches,
for instance. You use my analogy. Yeah, when you don't share with the time,
popularly unless you do a hack call, whatever, or you don't care anyway, because it's 1971.
I mean, I understand that. So the argument is basically, it's going to work
properly until another 20 years or so anyway. So in that case, that's keep 32 bit
Linux going for another 20 years. That's the argument. Yeah, yeah, that's the argument.
Yeah, it is a little bit premature, but then you know, you notice here with Linux is that
things go out of favor, there will be a few people who maintain something, and then later on
something happens, whereby suddenly it's really important that the code that those few
stragglers on are maintaining suddenly becomes really important. Like for instance, the arm
people who have been maintaining arm are that all these small programs that have been running
have made the Raspberry Pi possible, because XFC still exists and people go, now we still have
graphics processes, and we're switching to massive desktop, but these guys keep turning away,
turning away and turning away and keep maintaining their products, maintaining their projects,
I mean, to say, and then all of a sudden a whole industry develops as a result of us. So yeah,
well, goes around comes around, guys. That is one thing that I'd learned in this short life of mine.
Well, yeah, well, yeah, there's some old stuff. It's still going definitely, and then sometimes
end up getting used in something else, something modern in a way, really, but in a way, it's modern
that's using old tech inside of it. That's really, an exact thing that I can happen.
Well, it happens all the time, that's what's happening around, right? It's what's happening in
Arduino, that's what's happening in Raspberry Pi, so it's what's happening in routers.
Well, yeah, they take things, they take them all off for part together, and all the rest of it.
Well, the point is it's not all software. It is maintained software from a non-popular,
it's software that's become unpopular. Like the 32-bit stuff is not old software. It's as new software
as the 64-bit stuff. It's just, it's not as popular, it's not maintained or it wasn't as maintained.
So these guys choose to maintain it, it's still, you can still buy, go out and get a brand
spanking new 32-bit operation system, and you can take the source code from the Linux kernel
and all the other software and you can still compile the first 32-bit system.
It's exactly as new, yeah. Well, yeah, of course you can, the foods, yeah, then it was.
But yeah, it's like my taste, all around, all of that's the blame to be honest,
very things that are still around and to get you maintained. The bunny who touched on new
reports, that's really a different thing, but, you know, so I'm now putting on
terminal blocks on this thing, you know, it's a skew, but I'm not going to worry about that.
That felt a little bit like a lecture, sorry about that.
And now that's okay.
Just tell me to shut up. Lots of people do.
I'll ask one question now because you were like, in my short live fight, how old are you
anyway? I have 14-0 now. 14-0 in physically, 27-0 in my brain.
And I've, yeah, 27-0 in my brain, it's kind of the ideal age. You're all enough to be taken seriously
and you're young enough to still be young. And I'm still getting excited with cool stuff.
That's okay. Such as, this, soldering stuff, talking to you, this is cool stuff.
Don't you think there's cool stuff, like we're living in the future seriously?
Talking to me might not be physical, but...
Well, don't put too much of self-taunkered. This is always a pleasure.
The future, um, we, we, uh...
Well, the fact thing actually, no, we're living in the present, and actually, yeah, I mean, if you go back,
sure if you're about to sort of do 90, you go back in time machine and sort of be like something,
like, actually, actually, go and watch an eugen manager. That's a good point.
Go seriously. What if you take your kids and watch an eugen manager fan team there?
Because there's a great band there with a mobile.
Well, no, I mean, they've been trying to do something.
They've been trying to, they've been trying to, they've been trying to, they've been trying to, they've
do scary. So, no. But anyway, what was your self-weathered, but it's a good bit there with, there's
like a bit of mobile phones because he's like, goes back in, so he's, well, they're on the
ruin if something to, um, hasn't seen their weather, they might be listening to their
situation one. So, what I'll say is, there's a line that's like, oh, mobile phones.
Is that something different in the future? And yeah, it'll make sense why mean if you watch
your weather, but yeah. So, yeah, mobile phones were these big whatever in the past
in the 19th and so on. And now, look at it. It's smartphones all over the place.
It's people are basically a dick. Like somebody says here,
early on HPL on the U.S. Who'd be plugged bick to these mobile phones,
you'd be like drugs in a way, or it would be drugs basically if it was, you know.
And yeah, mobile phones are so such a big thing now compared to what it was.
Yeah, exactly. I remember, um, yeah, I remember when having the first mobile phone and
lots of people saying, oh, what would you be doing? You'll never be on the internet like that.
And now they're completely what's happening. And I'm, I'm the one who is not on the internet
as much as them. But every year we go and stay in a, in a historical village, a historical
real lack of a village, and you can go as a guest and stay in the, um, we have a medieval
area, and you can stay up there. And, um, uh, last year I happened to be, uh, just working with a
smith sitting there, uh, just listening. Basically, it's, you know, three-dimensional YouTube
because if I'm at home, I'd be watching the, uh, four-ging films on YouTube, anyway.
But one of the guys going, yeah, but it's, uh, we have a so busy now. And the guy was going,
no, you don't. Like they had a lot harder. And we have never had as, with a time where we have been
more, uh, more free time, less things to worry about because we've got food, on the man,
we've got health, we've got shelter, we've got warmth, um, it, it's just an amazing time that we
live in and probably should remember that from time to time. Well, it's two, some extent,
I know a lot of problems, they're well-coviders in that, but, um, yes, you are, well, but,
but remember that a lot of these problems, big though they are, don't get me wrong.
There's fucking lots of stuff that we could be doing better, sorry for, for everything there.
And I do tend to get a bit down about it myself, but it's still a very, very
fortunate time to be living in. And yes, we could be cutting down on the carbon. Yes,
they don't get me started politically at all the stuff that we could improve. But
people say, oh, this is, this is really a very difficult time that we're living in. Yes, it is,
but additionally, we, you're not depending on whether it's going to rain tomorrow to determine
whether you're crops are going to fail or whether you're going to be able to feed your kids
for the next 12 months. It's, it's just completely different, um, different Catalan fish here in
first one, I mean, admittedly in other areas, other parts of the world, these are serious concerns
to people. Well, yeah, and the home, this, put issue, even in the world in very cities and
very things, but um, what I want to say as well is we're talking about the time and sort of like,
oh, it's a great time now. And I'm, I mean, thinking about this for myself here and there,
you know, more recently as well, it's slightly into that, you know, I mean, here we are on a podcast
if you're in Holland, I'm in duke and we have our American people on and all rest of it. And
you know, if you go back to Paul Yinsnet and so on, then Paul, Paul Phones are a bit even
poor. They kind of taken off as well, but you know, it would be such a big thing. Oh, you can
tell me, talk some of you across the other side of the Atlantic. Well, I mean, and, and now it's
like, it's just new, but it's like it's not a big deal because we just got the Cincinnati thing
and it's just like, you know, I'll see your instant messaging, email, or, or, or a podcast, or this, or
stuff, or whatever, webcams, even, you know, you can just, you can just do it now on the, on the, on the,
on the internet and people just kind of take it for granted now and, and for the most part,
you know, you know, think that much of it now. It's just like, yeah, I can talk some
of you for America, oh, I can go on a webcam. I can, I can talk some in text, I can email them,
and, you know, but that's time we're in now and also even the whole internet in itself. I mean,
you go back to when the early, you know, the, you know, the naughty, the early 2000s and the end of the
90s and all that when the web was only kind of just hitting off, we've got dialed up and all the rest
of it. Now, we've got really fast connection as a side point, but now it's, again, the web sites,
you just go to Wikipedia, and they annoy you and ask you to donate and stuff and, like, emails
telling me to donate. You still, because I've donated once, but that's the side thing. You know,
you just sort of take the web pages for granted now, you can just do our websites and it's not
quite as fun that once was really an online gaming possibly as well. It's like, I don't really do that,
but again, you can just play games for people online and stuff, whereas in the 90s, it would have
been more like, oh dial up connection. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, if I want to host a game,
and you sort of disabled my hardware firewall and open my ports up, or they can't connect to me,
and now it's just done best so, and, you know, it's kind of changed a lot in the last 20 years,
also in that in that sense, and it's amazing, really. And if we could, you know, if we could live
forever or for much longer, you know, then whatever, you know, it seems so much changed
of the idea as well. Most of it, and we're going to have to see, but, right?
It's gas, I was in the hardware store the other day and a lady walks in and puts the phone down on the
counter and, and then some guys start talking to the shop owner and showing them the exact thing
that the problem that they were having and the shopkeeper was able to find the part based on,
you know, somebody with a camera pointing at the actual physical thing and, you know, that's just
normal now, it's gas. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, oh, and actually, I've decided, well,
as it will help in the older people with their computers or tablets group, which are thing on
Thursday morning that I've been going to at times recently because of where it is now
and stuff and even there, it kind of shows at the time the sort of change or have changed,
because even the like 40 plus, a lot of the old, you know, 40 plus and pensioners and all
rest of it, they are 40 pluses of it. Thank you. Now, now, I said, I said 40 plus first because
it's a 40 plus group, just why I meant anybody sort of thought you're over, I should have been
looking there. But I'm trying to say, and then I'm trying to say that the even older people will
depend on you as well and not on all that, you know, are a lot of the max you're using tablets
and smartphones these days as well. Some of them also come to the others, but it's sharing
that even there that things are becoming more relaxed, you could just, you know, more like,
it's just a thing and it's people do it and you kind of, and you think I've thought about this
as well. So the people who are like, you know, 20s and 30s and most of the teenagers and even kids
now will the smartphone is all the rest of it. It's like, what are we going to all be using
in, say, when we're like pensioners or whatever, you know, it's like, what all these devices
and stuff, and we're going to be using, you know, it's like, you can misamagine that. I definitely
will have flying cars quite, but, you know, yes, we do. They're called helicopters. I don't understand
why people don't get this. They're called helicopters. Well, it's a car, you sit in there and you
drive it. Yeah, it's just hard to drive and very expensive, but it is a flying car. But yeah,
anyway, I'm like tablets, phones, and all this kind of stuff. So what are we going to have in the future? But we are
70 or whatever. What's, you know, what's going to be there? Yeah, good question. I hope there is a future.
Yeah, dinner is ready. Oh, okay. I'm going to have to pause this for a while. I'll, uh, I'll be back
see you later. Yes, see you next year. Happy new year if you're done. Well, yeah, but I'll
probably leave it on, but I think people are the most begun at the moment. Okay. Bye. That will
save me chat on that later. But if not, it will ever happen. Yeah, you too. Cool. And I hope to
meet up as one of the events, maybe this year. Maybe the one in Bristol or the dog campus,
be all this. Let's have a look. You're not doing Brussels. No, no, no. Not this time.
Okay. Talk to you later, mate. Yeah, bye. Bye. Actually, yes, anybody just happened to be
listening to this, that is around, I guess, not. Okay, happy new year 2018, everyone.
Doctnith or 20, uh, oh, actually Swedish, yes, thinking, okay. I speak Swedish. So let's get this year
right. Gotnith or 20, uh, done. That's, that's what it is with it. I'll hope that. Which is everyone.
Now the after show is pretty much over, I think. What's after showing to with it?
Mm-hmm. So I'm not sure. Um, after showing. Oh, anyway, new year after showing, uh, over
here on tour. Now the after show is over, I think. Oh, pretty much.
With no castbell, somebody liked that to play some ending guitar music, which, um, I will have to
listen to on the actual actor public radio, uh, new year show when it comes up, because there's been
bits here and there that I heard and then didn't hear, and that'll be, so we get, um, so yeah.
Some people think it is fun to chat to themselves on the podcast, which they assume will be
possibly go up as well as part of something. However, actually, this is not as the picking
film, and that is why for this, that's very, for that reason as well, I'm going to stop doing this.
Now, although, although, did I say talking to myself, because I'm talking to you, you have a
man that actually listening to this, if anyone actually will. Right. I'm back. No, I have
uh, put it in the LCD screen, the potentiometer, the power feed, the actual clamp for the
components, and the header, the screen. I thought was a little pretty much, but maybe not then.
Good God, no, this, not stopping until this transistor testers put together,
important differentiation there for people listening put together is different from working.
Very, very, very, very little stuff. This thing is going to work. Good morning from
everyone. Hi. Hi. She has a question. I've got my headset, my phone's in. I'm not
right now. Who was that? Who just joined? Claudia Lennon.
Hi, Claudia Lennon. Happy New Year, everyone. Happy New Year, Claudia.
How have I got my, how have I got my phones in or not, can that's a question? I don't know.
So I was like, that was like, that's all. No, you don't. No, you don't.
So far, so it's funny, yeah, we rang in the new year. I noticed that the time was going
by real fast. I was like, it's already one hour past, 2018, 2018's flowing by, like, I can't believe.
So you're on the show last night, obviously.
Say it again. You were on the show last night, then, I guess.
Yeah, I was on for a little bit just to wish everyone a happy New Year.
And my dad come over and he was just basically the small family get together and
rang in the new year and then, you know, danced a bit, we turned on some music, and then we
we turned in for the night. Nice, nice, nice, cool. So when is Link's best when come
back? Yeah, I have to ask chat about that one. When are you forking off your own show?
It's a little bit weird, I'm a show. Well, one of my New Year's resolutions is to finally get my
butt back on track to recording episodes for HPR. Oh, you tease. Yes, I do, but I'm looking to make
good on my business. There you go, sir. Somebody send an initials there.
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I've got this week off as well before school starts up again. So I'll
have some time. Right now, I'm just waiting for the coffee to finish a brewing, and I'm going to
go ahead and enjoy a nice warm hot cup of coffee with my wife and enjoy what's enjoyed 2018.
Good. Your audio is chopping in and out, at least for me, just as a bite of my, and I am currently
in the process of assembling for the last $340, a transistor tester PCB, the one that
and my bill suggested I should put together. So I will continue on being here until this is done.
So yeah, I was going to ask you if you finished that, actually. No, as far as you're working hard on
that one, so I had to ask. And as far as the chop up in this, you can think, I'm kind of
wire a calm cast to blame for that. It's just because. Well, that's not good.
Now, I hear all the time from my kids, so I might as well join in the fun.
So what type of holder? I'm sure I heard the old boys, my eldest is 16. He should be
graduating. He's actually going to graduate a year early from high school. So he'll be graduating this year.
My middle one is 13, and my youngest will be alive and towards the end of this month.
Cool. And my stepson, who's the eldest of the ball, is 19.
No, my nephew, I'm approaching that, yeah. Yeah, every so often I'll come across little pictures of
my sons and yeah, I get on the nostalgic. Yeah, I like to spend my daughter crazy going to say,
you're this big, you know, do you rub my hand over you when they're on my shoulder or
still, you always be this big to me? Yeah, it's pretty much out of it. Small and big at the same time,
it's amazing. Amazing thing, well, fatherhood. I don't think there's enough
met-up out of the fact they are important, I think it is, especially for me, I've always
felt that is amazing, the fulfilling thing, just being a father. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, there are loads of, well, I always call it, there are very few good songs about being a father,
and those that the world were a little bit cringey, like, hey, dude, and stuff. Yeah, it's true.
For some reason, I don't know why, but I always think they're like country songs.
Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean, but nothing wrong with country songs, but just
don't know, as a matter of fact, my wife loves country, my youngest likes country, and, you know,
I've always never met. So, I have to ask, because classroom is not here, I'll take a coffee
and go. Oh, he would cringe at what I got. It's not instant, so at least it's that, that's a good thing.
Hello, this is the guy who just commented on the show saying that he misses
gas station coffee. No, no, no, no, no gas station coffee for me. I'll do McDonald's coffee, but that's
I think that's as far as I'll go. And to be honest, taking it out of context, which I'd never do,
he was referring to the nostalgia aspect as opposed to anything else, I guess.
Yeah, coffee I'm having right now is pretty much a supermarket brand coffee brand X, I guess,
if you want to consider that, it's actually not too bad. It does job.
Yeah, I'm partial to brand X myself. I have a cup of brand X right in front of me.
Okay, and speak of which coffee's ready, so I'm going to go ahead and take it in.
And I hope you guys have a good, good time here recording and happy 2018.
Yeah, similar to you. Say hi to all the other comments.
Likewise, bye bye.
Cheerio.
Okay, now I've got the power port, a nine volt battery adapter and a
10 remember what those connectors are called and a power connector. We're getting exciting now.
Just the potentiometer, the component holder and the screen to go on.
It's going to do the component holder, I think, yep.
And I'm using a Julian-elect tip for doing this and that is use blue tag or white tag, in this case,
maybe to pull the component while you solder it on the other side, which is kind of cool.
It also stops the thing from taking around the press and I'm using an MY build tip to
put my project into a project box, which is got lots of little components, so I've
had all the resistors and various different pockets.
And then I put blue tag on the top, put the PCB on us and I can just attach the PCB and then
move the case itself around, so that's what I'm doing. It's good to cool.
This is immensely satisfying, I hope it will not show you work at the end.
I said that if you go, to be a good thing about this wall, let's see.
These component holder thing pins are absolutely slurped on up solder.
Okay, my tip every so often, as Mr. X says, I apply heat to the base, apply solder to
component, we'll also solder it to our own, actually I should put a link to the show notes of
that episode on up. Funny now, all the top links for HDR is coming up as arch of that
probably because Google is downplaying the SSL stuff, so anyway, we need to work on that, make sure
that the website is open running in SSL as well. Okay, HDRTPSTLS, applying buying. That's on the 24th
of the 7th 2012. Wow, that's all well back. It just goes to show along and it takes me to get
around to something. Okay, let's start in and then put the potency on the tray.
Something in the line, and it has been deployed. Just spent 10 seconds there trying to figure
out why my solder was working, and then realized it turned off my soldering iron. Okay, that is
me, that's the only frame. All that left, all that is left now is the screen.
Before I did that, I'm putting on some little risers that are the active little beach
keeping the wall of your desk, the PCB from short on the desk. Let me show more of them short some of them out.
So now there are two risers from PCB numbers and female headers, so if I assemble the screen
on there, I should be able to access to the PCB with the headers over there, and then I'll just screw
them the PCB and then solder a lot more gold. Now I'm screwing fully yet, because I'm to release
some slack for the screen to stuff. Exciting stuff. Right, is that it? Is it done? Okay,
tune in tomorrow for another study of some developer probably greedy. No, I want to do that here.
I'll turn it on and see what happens. Right, that's why I was an enjoyable experience.
Of course I'm just a little, however, now I need to plug it in. And absolutely nothing happens.
It's not working. I don't know if my build will go grays, now I can go troubleshooting,
but now I'm going, no, I just want to add something to work. Nope, nothing that I didn't
use. Okay, oops, who's here? Hey, there's a mango. I've got three, including ourselves.
Yeah, I just woke up and got a cup of coffee. What's the time of that?
Uh, I'm in Texas. This is, um, 845. So you got to pass quite early, didn't you?
Well, at last or last night, yeah, I guess it early. I normally wake up a little earlier than this.
Can I hurt your mumble and you still work on that thing? Yeah, I finished it, but it doesn't work.
It's a bad solder joint you were talking about last night. There's been a few more of them since then.
What's this thing supposed to do? It's supposed to test just almost everything? Yeah, pretty much it.
Is it supposed to like actually give you a value for resistors and capacitors and things? Yep,
and we'll tell you what it from sister is or dialed or dialed or whatever. So I am actually in
dial need of one. Well, that's good disappointing to say at least. And I know when my bill goes this great,
because now you can go troubleshooting. Now that assumes that you know what you can troubleshoot.
No, you don't want troubleshooting. You want it to work when you get it fixed. Exactly. That is exactly it.
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense at all. It's basically a test equipment you don't want
to have to troubleshoot. I don't even know where to begin to troubleshoot to be honest.
Does it do anything at all? Nope, because it could also be a dodgy screen, you know, so
screen. Is this thing got logic? It's going to not know when it's a Arduino based device.
Oh, wow, that's um, yes indeed. That means you just got a poster something when you
power it up and it doesn't even do that. Nothing. Well, I guess that's the place to start that you're
either this computer doesn't come up or the the screen's bad.
Well, can I check either of those things?
No, I've got a big pile of do on my hand. Yeah,
I should take this one. It would be nice now if there was just something very obvious that I was missing.
Look at him and trace the voltages I guess. I have a lot of voltages.
I mean, if it's the the screen's not there, it's that's the kind of thing you replace.
Well, it's just saying to have hdmi something that you can just plug in a different screen. No,
it's there's a link in the show notes to the to a guy putting the same video in and it's a little
onboard screen type thing. Now, it depends on it.
Could check and see if there's any current going over there when I do plug in it.
Got to be a thing, I guess. Yeah, and you can check voltages. I mean, voltages are hard to check,
but then you get, you got to do you find your pins and figure out how to get your little
contacts in there and things like that. So on a lot of little stuff, it's easier if you can plug in
a different component that does the same thing that that's the way I would. Yeah, I don't have the option right now.
Yeah, that's what you have to have. I'm just looking at the PCB design 1, 2, 3,
4, 5, and 2, 2, 6, 7. 7 also goes to A's goes to ground. So presumably PN1, sorry PN1 goes to ground.
If you have 22K resistor, so presumably if there's voltage to get enough of this current
getting enough of our voltage voltage, there's power getting that far. Then if I leave it on the first
pin, then I'm going to go to the next on the next one and next maybe something. Well, let's just see,
sorry. Yeah, I suppose you could measure voltage across that resistor.
What you're doing that I'd like to tell you how much I appreciate what you do for
HPR. One of the things I enjoy most, I'd probably listen to one or two episodes per week
and then after I listen to y'all do the monthly roundup and you make enough of them
sound interesting and I have to go back and listen to, I take notes while you're talking
and I go back and say, oh wait, is that what that is? That title didn't work for me and I go back
and I enjoy another four or five shows that way. That is actually great to hear. I was hoping
people would do that. That's kind of the point of the show. Cool, not good to hear. Yeah,
yeah, I mean y'all are just kind of talking about them but you obviously listen to and take it
every single show and yeah, it's not that hard today. Not when you go to the three-hour
commuter every day. Oh my gosh. There are zero currents going anywhere on that
header for the screen. So I guess, therefore, that you can't be the screen, which is actually good
because I have some chance of having the other components. Okay, well, yeah, that actually probably
does make it an earlier. Yeah, okay, no one might be able to still don't think this is form.
No, you're right. I agree with you completely. I used to do a component level
repair of things back, you know, very long time ago when people actually did that and
no, it's not that much fun. Okay, so there's no current going through there. There's nothing
to go to the screen. So what do I do? What do I do? Maybe she, well, just dressed down like this.
Can you read a PCB then? Oh yeah, because there's a link to the PCB in the show notes there.
I can throw it in the moment. Oh, okay. I'll just run and get my multimeter.
Thank you, Henry. I passed it into the moment, so there she goes.
Actually, hold on, let me, I rotated it by 90 degrees myself, just met a life a little bit easier.
So current comes in there, close to a transistor, a nine or one two. The thing about one
so goes to a transistor, I have no idea if there should be current coming out of the transistor or
no. Should I be? Did you pop? Did you? What? I said, did you populate that entire board or is this
the board that you started with and it already was a computer? I, this is what I started with.
I scanned this physical thing. It is this physical dough. And the back of it, I have mirrored
90 degree or I just flipped it over so that the traces on the back match up with the top.
Yeah, I used to do that kind of stuff. My degree was in the computer hardware and back 40 years
ago, oh well, more than 40 years ago. And we actually had projects like that in classes or because
the idea was to learn how to fix computers. And so we had to start by building things from circuit
board instead. Wow. Yes. Okay, so let me see where is this, that is, that side. So let's see, this side.
All it's best to continue, continuity tester are a voltage major. I don't even know what the
the tools I have right now are a voltage major or a DVM and I have a bit of a high scope,
but I know idea how to use that. Do I just solder some stuff from hope of the work?
Is your voltmeter a, it's a digital voltmeter? Yeah, DVM. I can do volts amps. That's what
resistance and I've got a continuity tester on this level. Do you have something to check
doubts or trenches with? Will the DVM do that? Or I mean, can you put it on
like the old meter you could get? Okay, I was hoping this thing will do. Oh, hon,
maybe I have a crappy meter that might do that on my side. Yes, that happens. I've got a cheap
meter. That's got a resistor checker, which would have been handy to do before I solder them
and put them in. Yeah, checking components after their father in circuit, you have to look at
your circuit and see what are the other paths for that electricity to come back to your meter.
So you don't, oh wait, this is great. It's working and it's not going through your component.
Instead, it's going around the different path and that's the problem with that.
But it could even be the Arduino chip. I would say start with the assumption that the
components themselves are working and check, go back and check that you got,
that everything is there. Since this is a first time, this is the
did it ever work or is it broken test and since this one hasn't worked, that would be the first thing
I would do is not, don't assume I got a bad component. So try to find that out now that it's
in solder it in and instead go back and check your work and that's really just a visual.
And if some of the solder joints look dodgy, just touch them up.
Yeah, if it's possible, you can test the test them electrically.
I've always found that the ugly solder joints are probably not good for the very low voltages
that you get and I mean, it probably low current, rather than voltages, but the very low
current that you get in this type of circuit, it doesn't take much of anything for it to not work.
Do you use any kind of flux or anything on your solder to make it flowed?
Yeah, it has the flux core and for some of them I used to flux the flowed out.
Yeah, I found that the flux core doesn't help a lot because you didn't have
to melt an inch of solder to get enough to really clean a joint. So you're better all touching
a tiny bit of actual. So I always keep a can of flux and touch that up in that way.
You don't even put too much solder.
Yeah, well that's a little bit now.
Yeah, this is annoying.
It's also possible. I heard you're talking about using the surface
amount of things. Those are very, some of those are just very, very delicate.
It's not impossible to destroy them with your solder. If you're, if you're
if you're getting them too hot, because you're having problems with the solder,
so you just keep messing with it. You can destroy a diode or transistor.
Well, I definitely don't let them. So that was there for ages trying to get it from it.
Yeah, that's, that is a danger with messing with unless you lift the
component cool back down before you mesh with it again.
You're wondering what I'm going to do? I'm going to put this into a plastic bag and send
it to him like Bill and say, okay, smart ass, you get a work.
That sounds good. You enjoy it so much. I'm just going to go out and buy a new one because I
I didn't enjoy the, the, through whole components, but the surface won't stop as much
fun. Would have been cool if it just turned on the work. A little less than the case.
Yeah, surface mount stuff is not for people to solder. I've never actually done any
except once or twice doing some things a long time ago, but you know, the through the,
yeah, like you said, the through whole stuff that is, that's not hard to do.
Well, I'm afraid I spent enough time at it now today, so I'm going to have to go do some stuff
of kids and stuff. So that's that. Well, that sounds like a start a new year off right.
Start this year year off and it must have been fair.
No, no, no. I mean with the family doing doing, you know, being a, this year, I'm
being a good father. Well, thanks very much. Yeah. I've, I woke up as more still plugged into this
thing and I was, I don't, I don't, I don't actually remember what time we stopped talking last
night. Well, when I stopped talking and, and, and came to bed. It's gasing and I have to go back
and listen to the show because, you know, I'm just going to try plugging in some,
another power supply. There's two ways of powering this thing. So, I, yeah, let's try that.
Oh, I remember when they came off last night or this morning. I don't remember quite
feeling asleep though, but yeah. Well, I guess it's probably time for me to get up and,
and walk around and see if anything's going on too. All I did was go to kitchen for coffee.
So, I guess I'll call it a day myself. Yeah, this is, this is over really, I think,
but this is going to be puffed up the web, yeah. Yep. On the part of the file, I'll try that.
She keeps turning off the power until the start's working. I remember when I was in the army,
there was a, I fixed electronic equipment and there was a guy that, we had a, had a
tape recorder that came in to be repaired and it would blow in fuses. So, one of the other
technicians not me put a Phillips head screwdriver in the, the, um, in the fuse holder and just
turn on the power and watch the smoke. And then when it stopped smoking, he just unplugged it
and then replaced everything that was burned up. He had lots of patience. It was, I guess,
troubleshooting wasn't his strong point. So, he just, but he could replace things. So,
that's what he did. It actually worked. He didn't get it working. He just didn't have
replacing a lot of, a lot of the components and pretty much all the wiring. Well, okay.
I'm not recommending for for your device though. I'm not sure that actually works for,
this is not a solid state piece of equipment. This is an old, uh, a lot of, my experiences with,
that kind of stuff, a lot of it, it included vacuum cubes. Yeah, that's a lot more resilience too.
So, even though I did train on repairing computers, I never actually got around doing that in my
career. So, uh, funny how you go to college and learn to do stuff and then you start looking
for a job and you end up with something different. So, I wrote, uh, software for,
end up probably software for about six or seven years and then, uh, basically a server administrator
for the rest of my career. Well, I do this more lessons I start to do as a mechanical engineer
and then I was just quickly responsible. No, that didn't work out of it. Right, I'm going to
just leave it now for nylon tickabric. Maybe come back. I'll get inspiration. Well, good luck
and happy new year. I guess I'll check out too. Okay, let's call it a whole guys.
You have been listening to the Hacker Public Radio, 6th annual 24 hour plus show.
And seriously, thanks to everybody who took the time to join and thank you all for listening
and thanks everybody who put the, um, who did out the show notes that is absolutely awesome
to look a lot better than they normally do. And it was fun again. Was it?
Being on this or listening to it? I am gathering all the chat logs so I'm kind of busy doing stuff
one second. So, yes, thanks to everybody for joining and thank you to Taj and Honkim Gu for the
eat the bad. K-5 talks for doing the eat the bad restore and all that stuff, Kevin Musher
and Chris Fish for the stream. And thank you all, tune in tomorrow for another exciting episode of
this is where you go Hacker Public Radio, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Should we call it a day?
Two, if you've got that. I think we've been closed all up down recording, there's everything
that you still there. And yeah, thank you to whoever making this happen.
Thank you to whoever making this happen again.
Closing, closing, closing, closing, closing the closest down. I think yeah,
I feel like we need to turn this up on this later on. Well, because it's all this stuff is over and
really now. Bye-bye. Kevin, are you still there? Yes, I've got a working. Actually, no, I didn't.
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