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Speaking of which, where's the new episodes of the makers?
Yeah, well, there's door and there's Aaron that usually record that, and we're having
a hard time getting those guys together with everybody else.
But that doesn't mean that Irish somebody else can record, but we're just lazy, I guess.
I do miss the makers' podcasts.
Then again, I think it's been about a year since I've had my networking, so I need to actually
just hang it down and get some time and try to get mine up and work again.
See you there just by a new one.
Which one did you have?
I had a trunk CX1.
Okay, I think Liam on the show has one of those.
He likes it.
It's not bad, but I've basically changed up the hot end, and since I changed up the
hot end to like a generic E3D, it's, I have not had any success getting it to work
right.
I think the stock hot end when I had with it, I've done some of the worries, according
to the thing up.
So the trunk C I think is one of those 3D printers that I consider to be a cheap learning
experience where you basically, you've got to learn a lot of things the hard way.
Yeah, I've never used one, but I've printed mine, I think, had one I saw it for about
two seconds one day.
How's that now?
You sound perfect.
Just right.
Yes.
Great.
So what I was, what I was saying before before I went into Alvin mode, was that, uh,
I don't know where anybody's noticed, but I was on an, on a Mac system, and I was using
virtual box, and I noticed that the graphics actually had a penguin in them very much
like a Linux penguin, and I thought it was kind of odd because I wasn't even, I was
installing a Linux system, but I tried installing a Windows system just to check, but it was
so Linux, well, penguin graphics, and being that virtual boxes, uh, an Oracle product now,
it seemed kind of odd, uh, that even if you were not using Linux that you would have the
penguin graphics.
Anybody else notice that?
When did you, when did you get penguin graphics?
Oh, yeah, when, away.
I think it was in the wizard, I'd have to look.
I took some screenshots of it, but it's on our computer, uh, but it was basically, like,
in the setup wizard, and I think after you had a machine set up, it was in one of the
configuration pages.
Yeah, I think I know what you might mean.
So like, for example, if you go into virtual box, where should I think I even have
an install?
Yeah, I don't know what to say.
And I'm anyway, you're setting up the game for the wizard to set up a virtual machine,
yeah, so, and then you go, and it says, what operating system is this, and you go, you
can go like Linux, Windows, Mac, a bunch who possibly, and then if it's a bunch who might
change on a bunch of logo, if you go other, or know, or you still know, it's going to
put, uh, I get maybe a penguin, I guess, or something, might be that.
No, it's, it's not that I know it's talking about where you can have an icon per virtual
machine.
And different, it was, like, kind of friendly graphics, strong a penguin that was working
with the toolbox, and it, I was on a Mac system at the time, and it was before I even
chose Linux or something like that.
Yeah, yeah.
The virtual box is also a cross platform, so I'm never used on a Mac, I haven't
windows as well, obviously, but I assume it's pretty much the same when it comes to looks
regardless of the platform, and it's Windows or Mac, so, and I assume that virtual box
originally might have even come from the Linux world kind of, where there was some
the NOTAC, all those, you know, all the right, a history, so it might explain that a bit,
but otherwise, um, Apple secretly, like, loved it, looks like Microsoft apparently do
now, and so there's your answer.
Yeah, I don't know.
Without talking to the developers, it would be hard to say, I don't remember seeing the
graphics before, I was kind of a shock when I saw it, even though I've been using virtual
box for, like, 10 years.
Well, did you do it an upgrade of your virtual box version?
Yeah, it was a recent version, it was maybe four months ago, three months ago, and I
downloaded a new virtual box for Mac, and I was getting ready to install, I forget what
now, but, um, I tried installing something unrelated to Linux, and I still saw these, you
know, this ping-win that was very reminiscent of a Linux ping-win, it wasn't the exact one,
but, um, I just thought it was odd because, you know, virtual box had the family line of
being through sound and then through Oracle, um, and as you said, the company before,
uh, in an attack or, and I'm probably sounding like the office space, uh, company.
Well, the, the thing you probably ran into, well, most certainly ran into was, was the,
an artifact of the new generation that may have been, uh, virtual box six, which is
fairly recent, and because it was of a nine artifact, they didn't remove it.
Yeah, if I, if I search for, like, screenshots of virtual box online,
I don't see the exact graphics I'm talking about, but I just see how they have, you know,
different logos for the different operating systems, but the, the graphics I was seeing were
very much like, it was the ping-win that was the centerpiece, um, working with different operating
systems, so it seemed like it was trying to be centering around Linux, uh, specifically even though
it's not so, uh, here's the answer, right? Um, you basically got cracked by Linux user because
you were using a Mac, and they were like, thinking, no, you should be using Linux, so, oh,
use virtual box, let's get into that as well, and, and then they put in the ping-win,
basically, to remind you that you've been using Linux, apparently not, not Mac, or OSX.
What? I don't know how you came to that conclusion, so I make a joke about that,
I'm not the best joke, uh, okay. Actually, he may have something there, how does this read?
Well, I mean, since I was getting, I'm definitely going to software directly from virtual
boxes website and stuff, it seems unlikely, but, well, what would happen if somebody
cracked the virtual box, uh, storage server? If they did, I hope they would do something better
than just change the little icon to look like, uh, talks. Here we go, I found a link. I put a link
in the chat channel, and if you scroll down, uh, it's on sisnettechsolutions.com.
There's a screenshot up, this shows a ping-win holding a hammer and a wrench, and the screenshot
seems to clearly show its virtual box running on a Mac and a Mac virtual machine inside of it.
Oh, how cute, and yes, it looks like talk, so enough like talks. Maybe the, um, virtual
box developers just basically, mean you like Linux, so yeah. So anyways, uh, one thing, uh,
getting back to everything, uh, you were talking before about 32-bit systems and pretty much talking
about how, uh, making reference to a bunch of old hardware and old operating systems, but one
thing you may not have mentioned, I'm not sure, is, uh, the Raspberry Pi. Happy New Year.
Is, yes, happy New Year, Mountain Time.
Haha. Raspberry Pi is actually 32-bit, uh, as of now and before, so it could very well be
if they end up being 32-bit for another five or even 10 years that will have systems that will
be 32-bit, uh, barely close to 2038. Well, the original ones were 32, but I believe the newer ones
are 64. Yeah, they have 64, even though they still run 32-bit operating systems mostly. Yeah, yeah,
I don't know if I'd rather do, uh, a bit enough for the new Raspberry Pi, but it probably makes sense
that the new, new ones are 64-bit. Now, because it's still getting cheap, doesn't it? Oh, well,
like like that. No, I think they're still 32-bit. I downloaded Raspberry and recently, and it's
still only has one architecture download and their website shows one architecture download.
The, the processor is 64. A Raspberry is still 32 because the people who run the Raspberry Pi
foundation said that the A54 is the best 32-bit processor they could get even though.
I mean, in other words, they're not right now interested in porting to 64, although I believe
there are our images for 64-bit. Right, but even even with that, I'm still saying that for the
foreseeable future, we could have Raspberry Pi's installed with 32-bit OS's. You're right,
that could be, yeah, that could become an issue, which case, you know, the people who are working
on Raspberry and should really, you know, switch things before that actually becomes a problem.
One of the most interesting things is that the Raspberry Pi, uh, the last update to the Raspberry
Pi three series has been made. I think it's also, which one of the other subjects,
it's a well kind of, you know, with the Raspberry Pi was actually a major, you know, that minor, yeah,
it'll be right. Oh, wait, that's hard to win, oh. No, not necessarily, no, not necessarily,
that minor, you know, yeah. I'm making a joke now. Oh, you know, where it was made.
The UK, right? Well, yeah, but when you, okay, that's one game that, we're talking about
practice earlier as well. So that's what I said. Sort of linked to another subject, but not really,
you know, kind of, um, really, yeah, not really, but I think it was when net miles during that
word. So who was it? I don't really know. What you thought about Scotland and all that, yeah, earlier,
right, yeah. No, no, no, no. That's not what it's, it's made them Wales. It's made them Wales.
Really? Yes, yes, really. It's been in Wales. That's where they, it will, it will got made.
You know, in this little Wales, where not much goes on really compared to the
to England and so on, but yeah. Well, um, is that where England was?
No, I'm not sure where they could. I think England was in England somewhere. But yeah, there's risk
over OS as well, like keeping that, like keeping that going as an open source project. And I've been
to to a, a little conference for that. It's more one. And that was interesting. It's twice a
end to that. And you used to have the old day, Cones at school back in the 90s, but that's long gone now.
And the BBC could be with as well. But oh, it should probably be normal talking about, but yeah,
isn't there a new risk OS for the FPGA stuff that people use in the FPGA will start?
Peel the programable gate array. Basically, you've kind of much of gates into
handulating a piece of hardware. No, it's narrow. But I know you can run risk arrests on
drowsory pie as well. And obviously the old ankle machines and things like that as well. There's
a couple of new ones they're using in embedded systems and they make high performance specific
processors for like single-use tasks, but they do it all in hardware so it makes it super fast.
Yeah, and then there's one that what did they call it, Mr. Something? Basically,
that's the game system that's FPGA based, but that's, I don't think that's,
how could it be based on that processor? Well, it's risk, but it's, I don't know that it's the
open free risk OS I'm thinking of. Nice. I believe the proprietary risk arrests as a
the old one is basically gone or mostly gone now, and it's all about this,
um, risk arrests, open source, yeah, but they've been in a constantly program around open sources,
that your playing system is open source, that a lot of the old programs aren't open sources,
well, the actual playing system is, so yeah, well, like high coups, because an open source version
of BOS. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and about high coups as well, as you quite good, in fact,
they're usable a little bit, some of you said before, but yeah, I'm never going to use it.
That's going to be interesting to see what happens in March. Well, the batch is about
sifting mean, huh? Yeah. No, no, I'm talking, uh, Pi Day in March.
I was, uh, 314, a lot of free food, huh? In America, I'm not, is it all? No,
it's not Pi Day. Raspberry Pi Day March 14th. Well, you like globally, oh, something. Very much globally,
because that's when the Raspberry Pi Foundation tends to spring new, new version. Right.
Everybody, yeah, they really follow Raspberry Pi enough to name about that. Okay, yeah.
So they upgraded the last module that they're going to, I think, to compute module, or
one of them to the current B plus, oh, it's the A plus that they updated to the current
Raspberry Pi B plus process. What was that one called the A plus? Yes, the A plus,
but it's basically a Raspberry Pi 3 A plus. That was an interesting one. So, Jo, you still
want? Yeah, it's not. But, uh, he was talking about, and I'd start looking at it doing it recently,
the Alexa Pi and stuff like that. I started looking at, like, trying to spec it out and trying
to figure out how to get, like, purchase, you know, your single board computer, your button,
because I believe the, I believe the, it requires you to have a button, and then you need a button,
a speaker, and a mic, to make one of those things. And I started trying to spec everything out,
and around this time of year, the cost for, like, an echo dot, or, like, even the new echo,
like, third generation dot, there's somewhere between $20 and $25 to $30. And I think the,
Google, Google Home Minis are similarly, it's similarly priced this time of year as well.
It just, it seemed like it was, it was going to be, like, way too much effort for, um, what I
could probably easily purchase. But yeah, that's, that's, because, um, I had gotten, I actually have
two echo dots that I got for Christmas, along with two, uh, teabeling plugs that I have set up.
One is set up to, uh, a lamp in our living room, which there was no good, like, switch for.
So I wanted to hook that up to it so I can control it through the voice and a lamp and the
bedroom, where, again, there was an spot where there was no good, uh, switch for, so we can control
through voice. And we're just going to have fun with just playing around with the echo, and I was,
uh, considering putting, making, uh, using single board computers and making my own,
uh, echo system, and putting it up into the kids rooms, more and the lines of a, um,
homeowner comes system slash a way that they can, we can just kind of play music up in the rooms,
but trying to, like, I was just saying, trying to spec things out for, trying to build one,
just kind of seems, um, not very plausible. Yeah, you're running, yeah, just, you're running
into the system, build your builders dilemma, where, uh, dollar, whoever can put together a machine,
using wholesale parts, a lot cheaper than you can if you go down to your micro center or what
have you. I think it's more of a control issue. You want something that you have full control over.
Yeah, and that, you know, what I would have, I would have, especially appreciate the fact that
for the kids to be able to use it, they would have had to walk up and push the button
to get to work, and that was kind of, they wouldn't be able to just, um, straight up talk to it.
I kind of appreciated that, that form of it, um, but at the same time, just trying to
expect things out. I mean, you take, even just leaving the place, the Raspberry Pi out of it,
trying to find like a speaker, mic, type of situation, and then something for the button,
and then you want to put a, you probably want to put a case on it, but even if you leave the case
out, just just trying to put a speaker mic and button pricing that out, you're almost just
better off buying your own. And then I, I probably wouldn't, I'd probably just wait, and if I
get anything recently, I'd put it somewhere central located upstairs, like in the hallway,
or even in the bathroom, or something where it's, it's kind of essentially located between
the two bedrooms that are upstairs, as opposed to one and each, because I think if they can talk
to it at this age, I have three, I have a three year old and a six year old, right now I
six year old just wants to sit there and not constantly that have a lexateler jokes all day long.
The three year olds can't speak up enough to actually get it, uh, a lexat to respond, but either way,
that's why I would have been happier with a button, but, um, it's just price-wise. I think it would
be, I mean, you're talking about $25 versus, it almost seems like $20 at least just
to get a, uh, a speaker and make, uh, type of thing that I can plug in to, even just regular pie.
Yeah, yeah, yes. Okay, two things. So, do you know where we call it? Look at that video later,
I guess, about the best go S, and I was just saying to this, but lexat and all this,
two thing is, I'll, I'll just, it sounds like you're using this, you know, voice to speech, uh,
so, uh, yeah, yeah, where this, this is your voice going to do things, lexat and it's got
tarn on all this kind of stuff. I, I don't, and it's apples got one as well. I think I think
passing trust to these things, because, you know, the, you know, the, the, you think that it's
going to pick up on what you're saying like that could quite, quite simply be spying on you,
that's one thing, and it, I mean, a lot of people do use these things, but I, I won't.
I mean, you're super like, I mean, I think not using public Wi-Fi there, because again,
that's not secure, and he ends your device potentially, FD. So, I'm not really worried about anybody
spying on me, that's, I mean, if, if they're going to do it, they can do it with my phone,
because let's be honest, you know, microphone, you're, their phone can be cracked
pretty easily, you're walking around with that thing all the time, anyways. I mean, I have
debated putting, um, putting all of those devices, the, the plugs and the, um, the echo dots
into a separate network, a separate, separate, um, that network, sorry, I'm kind of
flumbling here. Um, basically, I have like another, I have an old router that I could probably just
hook up to my network and hookables, uh, wireless devices up to that network, and it, it being
completely separate from, you know, all of the, the part of the network where all my other stuff
is in, like, my DMZ were things like the, uh, the ether pad or on, and stuff like that,
but so it would be, you know, on its own network. But at the same time, you have your phone
in your pocket, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes. People here have
their phone, I agree with that point as well. And that's a good, that's a very good point there,
and I'm, I know, be fair, something really like, well, we still have other powers
in the environment, but I do a way of it, I'm just turning the cam off on the hard west
which and all this kind of stuff, but I totally agree with that as well that the smart
phones can be spying on you could become on and the microphone that you know in all
this and I know that for well but yeah you know we always use phones now even though
we know this some of us know this and a lot of people don't know that actually it's
very easy to said to you if somebody's against your phone because of especially
who wants the Wi-Fi or something but yeah we're basically walking around with
devices that can spot on us in the modern world and lots of people right so I
don't see any reason to be afraid of a vehicle if I'm already having a device
my pocket that can everywhere I go that can record my voice and stuff I had the
same conversation with my dad over the holidays he was telling me how he was
concerned about having echo or Google home in his house and I told him well
you know Google and Siri are listening to you right now what's the difference
and he said Siri's not listening to me I have to click the button and
activate it to get it to respond and so he takes his phone out of his pocket
and he says hey see you says whatever you say and it of course spoke up and
said you know what can I do for you or whatever it says and he has completely
taken it back by the fact that that thing was on in his pocket and he didn't even
know it.
Teria's the Apple One's net.
Yeah Siri's Apple.
Well still listen for at least the key word you know and there've been cases
but I don't think they were given any information but you know Amazon Echo was
listening to people and crime happened and I think they didn't turn over the
data but it was clear that they had recorded the data.
The last one for Android how do you get what do you say to the number one?
Okay Google.
Oh yeah course okay Google yeah.
The more I believe I've got that time is okay Google but the home you can
change to say respond to the things what is the Apple one is one isn't that Apple
sorry Siri.
Yeah because of a knife phone as well which again that that's going to probably
more like he's a spy on me than anything else but yeah actually it seems like
Apple has been very they're pushing for the whole security thing what is it
that they would somebody was trying to sue Apple to try to get them to unlock
somebody's phone wasn't it the FBI or someone yeah it was the I think so right
so they're they're actually pushing for security so as much as you don't
like Apple it's you shouldn't like Apple because they try to get you locked
into the Apple verse where you have to spend you know 13 grand for a computer
and you know $800 for a freaking phone or whatever the hell it is but they're you
can't argue with the fact that they're making an OS that's designed specifically
for their hardware so that's going to work really well what do you like the
operating system or not I mean that's all of the people's opinion I haven't used
a Mac and okay I've never really used a Mac but I can't argue with the fact
that I'm sure it works well Apple's also living in the news I'm not sure how
much the other guys have as far as the thing that I don't even gigabits of data
on people's phones that's been recording continuously all this stuff and you know
people that know about it until their phones are not working right the thing with
Apple as well though is yeah I mean yeah it's like the hardware looks quite nice
in the way in the put lipstick on the like people say in the operating system and
the Mac outside the graphics all this but then they get a lot of sort of like
people who don't you know and people don't believe and it was like we
understand tech for the most part here you know but we are not average people in
this context average people have married this whole understanding of tech
and how it works and and all the rest of it and they are basically
deprying and a lot of the people then give Apple products because they I guess
it could be partly because they've used windows and they kind of know at the
back in the mind it doesn't work very well crashing reviews virus here is
but it's not just that it's like Apple as it's like hey it's cool let's buy
air let's buy an expensive device because all the other people have it but
then it does I mean iOS is quite boring I find compared all from what I've
seen a bit but I find Android boring as well but but they both work and they do
it they do the task and they actually work and do you know they don't want
them into they work reasonably well and so people have iOS devices but it's
they were just like hey it's cool and it's only because expensive as well people
think oh yeah I must be worth money that must be worth it and but what but
generally than it's people seem to give Apple less flat because then say
Microsoft or the old well yeah Microsoft because of how it sort of you know
BSD based or whatever done the Mac and it's not too bad on the on the iOS I
guess how it's designed it as stupid as it sounds it really has probably nothing
to do with tech and more to do with the fact that all the accessories and
customers and skinning you can do with the iPhones because there's only like two
or three versions available at time skinned full-themed so no I mean just
they actual hardware like you can go out and get a case that's personalized to
what your tastes are oh cases right I mean there's like a zillion cases available
for an iPhone but there's only a couple available for any version of an Android
device because there's so many Android devices out there right but you also have to
remember that iOS likes to do iOS OS X likes to do what we like to call
the was it the OS rock where after a while you're operating a system it
will well no longer work with the hardware no matter how much you but if you
this if you just keep updating things it's just gonna make the whole
system really stop working and they kind of forces you to have to buy new
hardware like windows used to do I know they just make a consume so many
resources that it doesn't run anything right right I'll just say but with
windows you could still like obviously you wouldn't get me updates you
run something like XP or whatever I know they they've they've worked pretty
hard to kill that now but you know it's it's it's not nearly as bad as
iOS which I mean everything seems to be working fine until you update
and then everything starts to run like crap and then you update again everything
starts to work leaving more like crap and I mean I'm the one people who had
their hardware for a while and like yeah everything was working fine I mean
all the thing they're doing is going on the internet and using a word
processor on the thing so you know what why should everything just go to
crap but everything just slowly went to crap and they had to wind up buying
something else wait a real turn the office with an iMac desktop and first they
had to update what Firefox or Chrome or something and then that wouldn't
install the new version because it wasn't the newest version of the iMac
operating system and then at some point I think it was quickbooks or some
other thing where that also wouldn't install an update because it wasn't the
current version of macOS and they they did end up having to buy a new machine just
so they could run the software they normally used just you know three years
ago exactly isn't it wasn't there something within like the last year or so
that said that that iOS on the iPhone's was actually like they would
the west so as you updated it did something that actually like brought the
speed of the phone down yeah yeah there was soon because they killed the
battery life if your phone was a certain version right I just had a
mumble crush or something that just reached out loud he says me like yeah it's
not just that and then by my mumble partner she might come here now as well
but I was just saying it's also the the fact that Apple does the OS
rot where if you're on a piece of hardware for too long the operating system
will force you basically with every update start degrading the system to the
point where you have to they made it it was forced you to buy a new hardware and
they do that on both OS X and their iOS systems well then I think the
many two things is so yet one point was that they've recently admitted to
slowing down iPhones because of when they get about two years old so people
apparently buying new phones and they were like no it's not that it's just because
of performance and I was also in my area about people going
for Apple in the first place with an online mumble crashing and my people yeah
why people go for Apple in the first place it's simple that's I mean I
think a lot of it has to do with simple and everybody else that they know
has it and since like everybody they know has the same thing and they are
using the same thing and it's a very simple interface and I mean you can't
really argue with that I mean with with Android Android is is kind of
turning into what Microsoft is on the desktop where there's so many
applications and so many different versions of it it's kind of like when you
buy a a computer and it has Windows on it it's gonna be kind of like you're
gonna get the Sony version of Windows with its with its Deming at first I mean
obviously you cannot take all that stuff off for the most part but it's the same
thing when you buy an Android phone you get the LG version of Android with
all of its stuff with all of its stuff on it and whatnot so it's Android has
become so big in a place or so big and there's so many other
marketplaces where you can get stuff where the iPhone is you're given this
iPhone you have basically this is what you use for your texting this is what
you use for you know if you want to do video conferencing I don't know what the
hell it's called I'm blanking on it for video conferencing with other people who
have iPhones you use this app and that's yeah basically you can screen with a
bunch of apps and that's it while with Android you're given it's like a
desktop you swipe three different type of desktop so you have widgets and stuff
like that you don't have widgets on the iPhone you just have at least you just
have the big board icons for those applications I've got a
lot of clothing on but now I'm doing it again anyway yeah I guess you have a
point there so the people gone for iPhone Apple because I mean even I'm
thinking like something like fun to with it's all unity in space in a way
but playing inspired by Apple to send to any way but like you have the eye
calling you have that but you have like one option so actually although even
the window you've got like your start menu in space and that's about it
they but yeah it's like you've got one version this is how it looks everybody has
an iPhone they're gonna see the same thing when it comes to software the same
themes the same general look and everybody's getting that the same thing where
with Android it's like well there's Samsung there's Sony there's different
implementation of Android with different themes and bootup graphics and even the
apps that are pre and soul to an extent and so you go like Samsung's Android
and you go like Sony's Android and you go like LD's Android and so on and I
think that's the point you were getting that as well but they also have like again
I have very limited experience with iOS products but from my understanding for
the most part the screen is pretty much just a bunch of icons for choosing your
net your applications and then you I think there's a bar in the bottom menu
for some of the quick applications but it's not like Android where it is almost
set up like a desktop where you can have you know one desktop that's just your
calendar and another desktop where you have certain applications and other widgets
and whatnot I don't think there's any widgets in the iOS sphere yeah yeah and I
think I saw that you can have user accounts and Android on my Sony variant
your day even but yes I need only on on iOS handheld I think so like again
interesting you know what that is that's Windows 3.1
if it's Windows 3.1 then it's Windows 3.1 with much better
looking graphics well we're working networking if it's iOS but yeah the
graphics are so nice on Apple on me as part of it as well the general feel
under well I think like this it's kind of like life you know Apple is simple
and pretty but rarely is simple and pretty good for a long-term relationship
oh yeah well actually it's like nobody got fired for buying IBM for people who
want their hands held the way Apple does having everything in the walls
garden of Apple store and Apple S and Apple Apple branded SSDs and Apple
branded disks and Apple branded you know screens it is a safe choice it's an
expensive safe choice but it is a safe choice but it is a safe choice but that's the
brand as well oh yeah it's so cool because it's expensive like I was saying it's a
brand people know but but saying that even with Android you know to an
extent you know Samsung is the biggest player because lots of people have
Samsung and they're knowing about and yeah you also be the good point about
the whole world garden thing because they because I think Apple's done a good
job of marketing themselves as being a world garden for businesses because there's
a lot of businesses that will hand out Apple devices for their users and they
have them locked down so that the one that they can use is their proprietary
applications on their systems I'm not sure whether they think that it's a
little bit harder to do on an Android system or if there's too many Android products
out there that's you know they can't mail one down to you may that point but
yeah there's that as well there's a tie in between the hardware and the software
and touching business and all consumer even and it's sold it like there this
is it this is the Apple way basically this is the hardware this is a software
you went to run these together and I've read that recently someone
in Max can't run the notes for that I can't run the notes or whatever the new
Mac or something like that but there's a lot of businesses that'll hand out
to their employees like Apple products like I know my mother does sales
revenue and they handed her and I'm yeah to be able to check in all the
information so yeah because I think it's locked down to to that version of software
they do that they do that hand now as well show they get iPads and business
there maybe schools even but but but but they only but obviously the only other
choice will be windows otherwise and I think you know I think windows
as kind of like I was saying earlier I think windows basically showing to
people that over the years even non-technical people though it doesn't really
work very well looking about it can crash I mean look at windows phone for
example which they just dropped last 2018 2017 whatever no completely dropped
the phone project because it wasn't going to compete against Android knife
IRS and it must be like as people know at the back of their mind it's like
you know windows no PC didn't work that well so why don't want their phone
when there's this I I phone Android out that might not be used that right
now wasn't talking necessarily about the desktop I'm talking more in the lines
of their pushing out their iPads and I mean there's some schools schools
have seen the be going somewhere between Apple products and like Chromebooks
and stuff like that because they can they Chrome the Chromebooks they've done a
good job at rolling off what they can install on them and only having pre-installed
the software that they use for their schools well there's a lot of businesses
that they'll like hand out to their employees that are on the road and stuff
things like iPads as you know I'm not talking about that necessarily window windows
isn't even in the the mobile marketplaces as far as I'm concerned they don't
they don't they've just completely failed when it came to that yeah yeah yeah
yeah that's what I'm saying they've totally dropped the hell windows phone I'm
saying it's because consumers didn't want it or not enough people at most
he sold in mainland Europe I read somewhere that's where people have windows
very mostly apparently but with the Chromebook that's a good it this is
interesting one as well in the way because yeah it's very dumb down all that
but you kids stick your own notes they're strong and if you know what you're
doing but again it's called Google behind it which people the mainstream
know Google the people trust Google enough in the mainstream and they know
for Google because the search engine also because of Android potentially
anyway but you know it's Google so it's like oh Google yeah yeah cool I just
cheap Chromebook and it and use that sure and we'll give kids that at schools
possibly because it's again a big band big no a name so people you know
people trust big companies have a little some money generally speaking what
it comes a crow box crow box I think are cheaper plus the fact of they do
have the ability to you know do other things with them but it takes a little
bit of know how to be able to do that and a lot of times if if you know the
teachers find out or somebody finds out about it and they they all they have to
do is bring that in they can wipe it and refresh it to the you know the
original stock with the original stock applications on there and then
just sent them right back out who was it I know Kevin Kevin we're sure
just works through in the K through 12 school system and I believe they are
all on they're all on Apple products iPads and stuff like that I want to
put was Tajio was talking to when the school system that he was in the
game of the Chromebooks well maybe the schools that given that iPads have
all money for this right and then the ones that given that Chromebooks
don't have as much money so they're being cheap and given that Chromebooks
instead I don't know well it's my understanding that these you know they
they get the all the the hardware back at the end of the year and whatnot so you
know Apple I know Apple used to be big in trying to get their fingers in the
schools by giving away a bunch of free stuff I'm not sure if they're trying
kind of the same way and trying to work their way into schools and work their
way in the kids hands by giving them you know a bunch of hardware for a
chipman and Microsoft did that with colleges which is not the same as America
by the way but similar as you can if any colleges and schools possibly you
shouldn't discount so you get windows for free or Microsoft Office for free
because your student will teach training teach or something
yeah I remember getting the full Microsoft so for $5 a cd five bucks for the
OS five bucks for office five bucks for the programming environment
print anything for five bucks on one cd wow yeah they know they know what they're
doing when I was working for for a school you know if Microsoft charged for
office pro or any version of office would they would charge up that's a
charge at the school I would have been installing open office all the
place or leave office but you know when they're charging 68 bucks for
pro or you know maybe maybe office business or whatever you know it's hard for me to
convince the administration yeah say 68 bucks and get this office week
you're not familiar with even though it's better yeah I was upgrade like 50
bucks or 100 bucks I like Cal 51 50 says at the end of that one even though it's
better because I mean I remember having the debate with the guy who
or camp in last 2017 yeah can't agree and we were sitting there on the Sunday
night at the hotel and we went to the debate about leave office it was a guy who
was Martin Impress might do that name somewhere the guy does bunting marty
and things like that and it was with him and somebody else and we were there
like full 30 in the morning having a debate about if leave office really is
good enough or not compared to Microsoft office and it's like we usually get
get some sleep could go check out of the hotel later but I mean I would say
in many ways it is faster than Microsoft office or usable or you know good
enough but then there's a few specific features that only certain people need
they can't do what isn't quite you're the same and it annoys me a little bit
with my same older driver for example he's doing teacher training now he got
a laptop off of a computer fair you know like got a cheap price at the aim
mobile buy that one I put a bunch of on it and you know he's got his email
he's got five fox and he's scratch for tea the programming for kids thing
they're the use and they'll probably probably will definitely
collision me but he you know you think you get in a better operating system but
then he phoned me up a few weeks or two weeks later or something was like
say I got a confession I could hear the window noise in the background
that phone call but he's like say I got confession they gave me a Microsoft
they gave me windows 10 free so I've upgraded windows 8.1 to that and
these you know that's what they do they lock people in with these free
giveaways and then when people don't want to give somebody else a chance
enough like me buffers or when the past open office or when any of these
alternative things it you say locks in basically and and then Microsoft
wants to do it with the schools and all that because that's part of it get
people locks him when the young and all that well before Microsoft Apple was
selling 68k max to schools for half or a third the retail price so they
they were going to first and then about about the time they switched over to the
IBM processor the power PC processor I think they couldn't afford to do it
anymore in a quit so I got a lot of legacy schools and they were like well
what you know that they did start out buying max and then suddenly max for
expensive and they were like why are we spending all this money on max and we're
talking yeah why are you spending all this money on max for the students get
out of school unless they go into art or something they'll never see in
that again yeah I think my entire high school was pretty much max except
we're very small it's very small lab where they talked some of the I don't
think it was Microsoft office at the time I don't remember what the heck it
was it was like a meal pro and stuff like that back then but the only only one
lab where we had IBM stuff yes so my school yeah back in my not my second
school you say or high school you say over the last days it was it was basically
Windows PCs and then there was a few max but only really for the art
students or music students and also college which is not the same in UK
so that earlier but just some rubbish ICT course IT course but you know
from the computer up it was slightly technical that one no level was rubbish but
there was did such possibly in the back open office which was kind of nice at
the time but yes rubbish IT teaching in this country in fact I say the whole
UK for the most part anyway is very behind when it comes to say IT and
computing all that compared to say some were like Germany where they have
actually in based open source in certain like Munich or the one you turn
and gone back to Windows but they went and did switch to Linux and open office
back in 2004 and things like that well I heard part of the problem with
Munich is that they had to have their own custom Linux they didn't just go
with open source or something yeah yeah yeah it's custom Linux also I just
before in case I forget to say this there was a story about the Google CA or
something like that came over to London and wasn't some conference where like
people from schools and also people in the government MPs and he says
something like oh you know what I see T is really rubbish in the UK all you
do is they're Microsoft Office and that's about it there's nothing about programming
or anything like this and so apparently the people in this audience
dissoned of it and it was like right we're gonna do some programming teaching at
schools and we're gonna things like this so we'll find getting to curriculum
and also there will be pie I believe got released quite soon after that as
well because the idea was to have young kids being able to learn programming
with a cheap device about 30 pounds and I think it's improved slightly since
now it's learned scratch like I mentioned earlier to do basic programming but
it's still quite behind and you know yeah and stuff like that well if I was in
school I sure wouldn't take my bad and that that is an inside job that maybe
10 people naughty and soliciting will understand when this is broadcast
so you're like I think I missed that I said if I was in school I wouldn't take
the iPad well no if well you have a choice that that was a reference to a
dev random days wasn't it it was haha got it see if you tell everyone
and it's that it's no longer funny well maybe they'll go back and listen to the old
dev randoms that's true there's still out there there's a dev random dot org
I should know yeah dev definitely go back and listen to dev randoms I think
they're still relevant and funny that's true if they're relevant but they're
definitely funny but yes like you know something becomes what you popular and
general like can I like an iPad or an iPhone it could be or it could be
something else depending you are on the time what year we're in you know
and it's like hey cool everybody I know like those people have this
or that's the more expensive thing so if I got money for that I'll have that if not I'll
give it a slightly cheaper thing android in this context and then yeah that's what
people do and you got and then those two players is called having a
triangle hold I think of a whole market have a triangle hold I think it's called
and then all these alternatives that in many ways are technically
better such as UV ports which is you know you having on the Ubuntu touch project
UV port is actually very good for the heads and I know as I know as somebody would
devices also know that sale fair shareware is very good for what it is as well
from your load of a lot of former Nokia developers but yet these two things I guess
you know never ever gonna get mainstream when you're anywhere close now because
how it isn't it's a shame in the way but that's you know that's how it isn't
the market takes and if people don't if both people don't know
we're tech enough then oh yeah you know I think a lot of these things have a better
shot is like just for the American market if you wouldn't find a carrier that would
actually carry these things like and get at least 4G you know whether it's CDMA or
GSM doesn't matter as long as somebody but but actually in the US but actually
carry these things and get an actual phone for them then there'd be a lot of
people that would actually buy it not as big you're not gonna you're not gonna you know
put a dent in the marketplace of Android or iOS because there's too many people let
let's let's be honest there's too many people out there who are not actual technical
people who are using these devices every single day I mean as much as I mean this
this goes back to to an argument of you know has the world completely turned into
mobile yes there's a lot of more people using mobile than there are people using
PCs but a lot of the same people who are using PCs before are you know
still using PCs and there's but there's a lot more people who are not using PCs
before who are now using mobile but if you can get people who are want something else
or they you know are intelligent enough to try something else that they can actually
get a carrier in like the US and actually on a device where you can market that device
that you're actually inside one of these things yeah yeah yeah so you need a carrier
and that all in that work as you would just say here but yeah all you all some sort of
how a manufacturer that's ideally knowing enough about because I mean like a bunch of
touch on the conical and it did get to our workplace they got the well that was a Chinese
month Spanish BQ and the Chinese MISO so Spain BQ was reasonably popular and the China MISO
was reasonably popular but then you couldn't get into US because of wazzy usually because
of how it was some of sold which countries and that but they couldn't get the carriers
and then they couldn't get the f- you couldn't get the f- you couldn't get the f-
into the US will not as easily I think you couldn't you could still buy a phone you could
you could get the hardware device into the US now they should be too hard well you could get
this thing and then it wouldn't work on the American carriers now yeah that's what I'm saying yeah
I think the radio is different yeah but that's I think it only work with like a 3G or 2G or
something like that if you actually got a carrier to use be able to work with the device but it was
it was completely unusable in the US I know it was the same thing with the um um
what was it it's Firefox the Firefox uh yeah the same way I bought a book actually on Amazon
might um it was like £3 really cheap could really hold and I bought it in like
I think 2015 or something and but it was from like or maybe 2015 or something but it was from like
2012 or 2011 it was like predicting the future like Firefox OS and what might happen
um what was it called mobile financial interests or something yeah I don't know mobile
financial interests or something like that it was interesting because I read it like three years
or so later so I was talking about how like Firefox and could have a chance and the
bun that you touch and maybe you can sell fresh change in the duploi and things like that
how it could maybe do and like you know never never really changed anything in the
of this because it never none of these could compete in that sense or any but
it was interesting read three like two years later uh I can't remember what I've
looked called now but it's here somewhere but yeah it's interesting like this is 2012
user of predictions as I want and then you see like well let's in quite work out but
there was something here with some of these points and that's what if the whole world's
on mobile well that's debatable but yeah I mean most people who use either computers or
mobile devices are mostly using mobile phones and tablet and then possibly tablets as well
for daily tablets and that the desktop computer laptop is you're going to be using your
office still for like work processing all that sure it's quite cheap it's all that stuff but and
that but other than that not that much literally graphics as I'm a CAD for days you do that
sure and then gaming possibly but but it's like I'm able to use mobile devices myself now
and have done for even just inside your house or your flat you know we have a laptop as well
because for basics you know email seems to be using browsing the internet you know so it's
all fine on the phone for the most part so why they were the bulky laptop which I'm doing right now
right I was more arguing the point that everyone that some people like to make that
the laptop is basically dead and I'm saying that's that's that's not really a thing because
as much as you can write an email on your phone it is more than like a few lines it is way
to the emptiness to do on that phone I need a keyboard yeah yeah yeah you can plug a keyboard
and possibly but yeah yeah I'm not plus than a bluetooth keyboard just to write a thing I'd
rather just get my my computer out and if it's if it's more than a few lines I'm just
going to write it on I don't forget laptop and it's I look if I just want to check something
quick over the net or you know do a quick search through the the social media network
or something like that yeah phone I mean the browser is going to work a lot quicker on my phone
and it is on and then my laptop's for the most part and it's going to be a lot quicker but if I
want to do pretty much anything else I'd much rather have a laptop for it I mean even if it's like
most of my little projects around stuff around here are going to be things like trying to connect
to one of my single board computers through SSH can I do that on the phone sure again it's going
to be a lot easier to type a lot of this stuff out when I'm actually keyboard as opposed to
to trying to do that around the phone well yes so that's another point in the way but yeah
some of the program little things you want to do I'm going to be best on a phone or okay on a
phone possibly best on a phone or just better on a computer I mean I'll see as a great example
and I have why I tried some of the IOC clients I mean I try a web I see even on a mobile phone
that doesn't really work for you know web I see key with IOC all this kind of stuff I try
is to get some sort of app in Android as well for IOC and I'll go at something it just didn't seem
to work very well and then your phone goes on to suspend and you're disposing of IOC that's
another issue and you just never really worked very well on the phone but obviously if you bring
up a laptop or a desktop it works absolutely great and fine because really I see was designed
for a lot of on desktop anyway but um and then again like you can have like computer graphics
I think make do computer graphics really myself but I could try this in an example anyway if you're
going to do graphics design you're probably going to turn to a laptop or your desktop
you get that PC or Mac or whatever not your mobile phone or tablet even though you could probably
do it there because on the computer laptop you're a bigger screen and you've probably got some
better software for any way that works faster and there are there and again CAD or something else
I don't do you're not going to do that on your phone or tablet and virtual machines I think you might
be able to run on some of these phones eventually if not already because these hardware is always
getting better but you know you're going to do virtual Mac virtual machines earlier so yeah
you know you do virtual machines on your laptop or your desktop you don't think hey I'll just
do a virtual machine on my mobile phone or my tablet I mean look I'll you're playing a brother
I'd rather have obviously have my phone because it's actually portable a lot of some
lot of times video playing I don't like playing video on my laptops at all really I
I'm I probably find watching video on my phone but anything that actually requires typing I think
I'm going to need an actual laptop before because like I said I'm like I even have a Bluetooth keyboard
and I have a tablet not but it's it's not the same and maybe I just need a better Bluetooth keyboard
but I still which but rather open up an actual laptop and do work that way then you know
trying to do it on the phone browsing on the other hand but I I think my browser on my phone works a
lot faster than browsers I'm probably all my on my computers I don't know if that's yeah yeah yeah
I think I agree with but yeah yeah browser on the phone seems to work but you I can say in different
all-pointing systems like in fact um okay Android or iOS or yeah a bunch of touch sale fish
Firefox OS ties and I think I try one in Oklahoma ties and phone yeah well you know yeah
mobile browser seems to work really well but on the desktop you pull and you've had the same thing
you know your Firefox crashing or the profile goes wrong or your Chrome or whatever goes wrong as
well and it fits so I also find that that's the the desktop browsers are going to open up a lot
more crap and you know maybe I need to run no script or start running a pie hole or just like that
but when are you open up a desktop version of some of these web pages there's too many like videos
wanting to play ads on the corners and stuff like that that I want to upload up so it takes forever to
load up some of these general pages while the mobile version of these pages just kind of load up you know
it's continuously I like that I'll show it with it too yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
I'm running multiple tabs and multiple browsers on your phone that's true too I usually run about like
maybe eight tabs at a time on my mobile I know I don't get up there into the the 30s or 40s
I do have sometimes I don't know 15 window tabs open in the mobile but seems to be okay
but yes things are like a slow down and also one say about the video point so
I mean people like different screen sizes on the mobile device even for video people you will
really want a slightly bigger screen over the full but even on a small screen video can come out
quite fine I would say but in some people like when you watch some laptop that I find that
video is generally fine on different sizes screen even on different mobile operating systems even
but it also works usually fine on on laptop as well yeah if I can break in it's time to
a little past time to say happy new year to the west coast of the United States and the
rest of the Pacific time zone yeah yes I mean we are 50 how many of tabs what's the
menu maxed out by how many tabs have you the most amount of tabs there we go that's right
what is the most amount of tabs you've had open on the browser before on a desktop I'm
embarrassed to say there are times probably maybe I haven't lately but maybe 200 or something
how many did so you really don't you know you open something to say yeah I want I want to
I want to look at that deal with it later and then rather bookmarking yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
so colorful new and max care I guess I've been here and yeah I think he would tab two
under those and then if I've actually had two under they've been but yeah you can end that with about 56
you put him quite easy actually depending on what you're doing well I have any more I'm running
a lot of tab managers you know let's see there's one tab which you click on it and anything it's
not pinned or whatever it it just puts them in a web page so you can always go back to that
web page and find the link and and reopen those is for Firefox also tab hunter is one I use
because you get so you get so many tabs open and you it will search your open tabs by keyword so
those those are a couple tab managers I recommend I had a question does anyone have a browser
that will allow you to access mobile versions of web pages I think you can set that I'll
can do that on Chrome and Chromium I think yeah I think you can do that one soon that you
desktop browser either would set it up or use the installation of all the as well
well I think Chrome I think the Valdi actually has like a shortcut from its main
somewhere on the top of the bottom of the Valdi I mean seriously he uses the
out it had a bat tying them like I could play Netflix and Chrome on Linux it worked for that
on Linux before it combed it yeah I think I have tried it before actually what was it like remember
the Valdi no the the thing to switch modes in Chrome I think you inspect the page and then
under the network tools you can change what layout you want your page there was a name for
I just can't remember what it was called where you basically changed the way that you
the way you browse on the pages like you could browse the page as I think it was an add on I think
that's what I was thinking of because that was like you were saying back in the when we had to
do we'll configuring to be able to get Netflix to work with with Linux oh you're talking about the
the header rewider thing the plugin yeah where would change there's live headers was like a
diagnostic tool and then there's another one yeah there's another one where it's specifically designed
to do that but that just changes your header that doesn't I don't know it doesn't work the same
way as when you inspect the page and you click the little tool it toggles it says toggle the
bice tool bar and it changes it to tablet or phone or regular but there's something where it
I mean what have you you can change it where you can make the make the web page think you were
like internet explorer or make it think it was like it's a far air something yeah that's user
ID yeah yeah yeah that's to use a agent string and there was a user use a agent string switch
that's a user yeah user agent switcher that's it thank you gentlemen if you really want to
go spelunking into the glorious past and versus the what people thought was going to be
the glorious future I have a book to recommend to you it also seems to be in google books
one moment tell that bbs now it's called exploring the internet a technical travel log
by Carl Malamood this is a book written around 1993 about a fella who converted some OSI documents
to a to PDF form and had them on a sunset a server supplied by son and he explored the internet
at the time you could actually follow where connections were being made and how the net was growing
he also talked about how there was a tremendous flight to get TCP IP and and you know the internet
protocols that we understand into Europe and other countries because the organization for international
standards was was pushing their own seven layer magic carpet they were also making those same
standards very expensive for the world to actually access and when he put him up on a server
shortly after finding out that people are actually accessing the standards on the server
the people at the organization for international standards had him take down the server
and unpublished the published data because the paper standards were an expensive flush fund for
the for the OSI people and they would have tons of them printed up and a few of them would be sold
but since it was all UN money nobody really cared but the kind of politicking and how
people had to tunnel stuff through like X-25 links and stuff to try to use the TCP IP
in Europe where where things were locked down to the OSI seven layer model which produced a lot
of standards but very few implementations that could actually work with each other so did they not
allow bidonet and the like in Europe at that time well a lot of the times fidonet and stuff
required making a phone call and in some countries that was a major major problem
yeah I wonder how Europe the Europe thing was for home companies in the A's
this bad and up with states here must have been even worse country the country
well the the whole thing was that everything was was designated that the phone companies
which were of course government organizations in most of Europe at the time locked everything
down so anyone trying to do a private network was looked at like they were stealing money from
the government the fact that the government couldn't provide the services that the private
companies were capable of doing was overlooked the details make hilarious reading yeah like
OSI only wanted something like 256 networks in the world well that would just be
too many numbers to keep track of so the only person that's most of the network is the national
phone company so you don't need any more networks than you have national phone companies
yeah I guess that wouldn't work here since we had all private phone companies and ISPs and
universities et cetera et cetera well actually that's and besides DCP IP came out of DARPA
and that came out of the evil american defense industry of complex well the OSI paper
came out of Geneva Switzerland and some very expensive junketing talkfist as OSI like to
itchriply actually itchriply is the I believe the american branch of the OSI
representative agency whatever you want to call it as itchriply government owners that of
private thing I think it's somewhere in the hazy middle when you're dealing with international
standards or national standards that after mesh with other international standards you
things get pretty muddy we were talking earlier about some European union stuff and the politics
of getting networks across national boundaries and with the EU management of I should really
watch my mouth out but it was amazing also the IBM network at this time was a purely and simply
bootleg construction of IBM system operators and system programmers and it became a primary part of
IBM's own connection with itself yeah if you look on golect.com I think it's golect.com and
Lynn Wheeler's stuff talked about how IBM's VMware OS which IBM repeatedly tried to kill off
was the thing that kept their own worldwide systems going you must have a different golect.com
I'm getting south valley internet maybe it's golect.net you want to look at and in Lynn Wheeler
or maybe it's golect.org I don't have the proper extension for it yeah it's none of those those
are all ISP things uh 50 I would just like to say thank you for putting things into the
etherpad well I'm not getting everything and I do it ever every few minutes it's like oh
what were we're talking about five minutes now never mind still I appreciate it I even appreciate
the fact that you name yourself in the etherpad so I can give you the credit well I think that's
carry's over from the etherpad for the show for the next floodcast probably it's the same
pad that the same paid it the same pad right Laura I think I'm gonna hang in for make maybe
even a 10 more minutes and then I'm gonna call it a night we tell my daughter that she's not allowed
to actually get up and out of bed until at least like five o'clock and if I go to bed now
that'll give me what like I don't have actual sleep if she gets up it's a little past my bed time too
gotta dry it a lot tomorrow what time you start your drive for a lot um I don't know
depends on what time we can get the loaded up so probably 10 or 11 and how long was it for you
uh it's still good about 13 hours okay and I won't be the only one driving so that's good
yeah I am gonna set an alarm so I can jump back in here just before the end and see what's
going on but yeah I was all it headed towards bed myself yeah what time was the end so we usually
like what is it that's about seven EST and I remember what it is UTC but about seven o'clock EST
we usually check this see if there's anybody on and then if there's anybody talking if there's
still people on and talking and then we just keep it going until we stop hearing people talking
and we'll stop the recording so basically officially around seven AM EST and if people are still
talking then we'll just let it go and then you know truncates then come back to it later and check
to see if anybody's on there if not then we'll shut it down and then you know truncates
sounds will kill any of the dead air well I did want to bring up one thing I just found a guy
that's selling a 3D printer for 125 dollars but it's um that M3D micro plus 3D printer
I'm not stupid I should and 3D is a little square cube it's not heated bed you have to use
their PLA filament with it usually because it's a special temperature I guess special size
cool it's kind of slow and it's kind of hard to deal with we had one of those when we first
started a couple years ago and dumped it within six months okay okay I will give it a pass
basically you really want to heat it bed no matter what you do anymore it's always works better
well I know a couple of my buddies got um what was it the A8 they made it yeah that's good
if you want to build a kit and learn everything about 3D printing I would recommend the MK3
Prusa i3 if you have either 500 or a thousand dollars in a pocket that's also the best
what's the uh the one that door got that's the C.I.10 crality I have a new tennis
that's still 400 bucks the old the one he has is 350 now the new one of the same thing is
4 or something like 425 you can also get the same brand or manufacturer it's the
Ender 3 yep which a lot of people like it does this kind of stuff it's just a little bit smaller
but cheaper um that's a really good one the thing about those is they're easy to customize and upgrade
and you know once you get the basics down and know what you're doing you can add stuff to it
and get it working pretty good right we know of the Ender has the heady bed that I don't know
I know a couple of guys that have one I I can't remember if they said it does it or not
but again that's something you can add later if you really want it which I recommend
that's something I should look into is like the Ender because the Ender is the same type of
style as I think the trunk scene where it's got the um it's got the arm as opposed to the um
right yeah like the arc is the day and that eight has but I've heard nothing but good things about
the Ender um I think who was it I know of two people who got him actually well there's a lot of
people that have them which means you can get a lot of help if you ask around right and the
trunk scene I don't like that the trunk scene I I don't have a heated bed but I have anything
that I've gotten to print has been pretty good but like I said there's still like learning
curve with it but there is a I am not a Facebook promoter at all basically I'm just on Facebook
for to keep track of my family because I got ticked up the fact that my wife knew more
about what was going on my family than I did because she followed up on Facebook so I joined Facebook
but there was also a trunksy group on Facebook and they are super helpful when it comes to
anything I basically I posted uh stuff there in their pat in the past when hey what's going on
with this and they came back with there was like five or six people that just automatically
like came in and responded and was willing to help out but the ender looked like it was there's a
pretty good but the ender is actually not just the arm it's it looks like the Sierra 10 is just smaller
really yeah it's a full age but I think it's it doesn't only have one z-axis like the a-net
I think has a lesson right up and down whereas the ender and the Sierra 10 only have one 50
and you got yours up and running yet it's set there haven't done anything with it yet but
did you you get the monochrome for the mono price I did mono prices is the same style as the
trunksy x1 but I think yours is more of it's uh a lot of the stuff is in case if it's
ready to print out the box yeah there's no similarly or anything on it it looks exactly like
the one Joel has except it's it's backwards right I was going to say I think Joel got one
that is very similar all right guys good night I'll see you a bunch here on Friday yep
happy to be sure to have a new year that's right that's this Friday isn't it yep first Friday
and I don't know don't hold me to it but I thought I would try to spend at least part of the
day tomorrow getting working on some of these real world projects I always say I'm going to do
it never do okay I think the way I'm going today I'm good tonight I'm probably going to spend
most of tomorrow in a night of like naps five minutes a year 10 minutes there coffee kids keep
easy kids the house right well I may be holding the forward here for for a while so thank you
gentlemen for everything well thank you thank you for hanging out right and given us good history
information right yeah well I'm I'm sort of the historic reference person for a lot of stuff since
my first competing experience was on on a wearing using a teletype the storage medium was the yellow
teletype on paper tape history and puns all part of the aspect service I always love the racing
style one yeah so I just finished dissecting that relatively recently so it looks like the
under three does have a bed next one bed temperature of 110 c so I must have a heated bed so
for an a seven dollars it's a partially built machine that's pretty good well it looks like
I'm probably saving up for an under three yes skip the a and go straight to that because a and
that's you know might be 140 but it does not compare yeah and I've it seemed like the a and that's
going to be a lot of work trying to get put together and like the pharmacy was with some work
but the a and it seems like it's a little bit more yeah and sometimes the a and it doesn't have
all the parts from when I hear so she's the same way I've heard a lot of horror stories from
people not having enough screws just like that with the pharmacy yeah and when you've not done it
before you don't know what you don't have and it just really not actually back a bit yeah I was trying
to explain that to something before that you know these these things sometimes are more kit than they
are actual just like you know a finished product they they give you like you're just given
the fist full of screws and the fist full of stuff that you need to basically get the thing running
and most of the time you get the right amount and you have a lot of some extra stuff I mean
I have a bunch of extra screws but there are other times when people get like not enough of
some of the things that they need and whatnot yeah the Chinese warehouse experience you're going to
get what they give you exactly yeah pretty pretty is such a the whole the whole fact that
this this idea moved as quickly as it did and I know a lot of that has to do with the
I'm okay it's too late and I've had a little bit of a string maybe but I'm blanking on the
guy's name but the the companies but since they open source damage that's a prusa the whole
prusa design and stuff because the way they opened source to all the stuff that everything was
able to move at the speed that it did because I remember there was a time when we were talking
about 3d printers and it was like you had to spend a thousand dollars to get something that was like
yeah I don't know like a box that you basically try to put something together and go ahead and
anything really out there and nowadays you can spend a hundred and fifty dollars and get yourself
foot less like pretty much almost out of the box you could just start printing stuff and there's
enough stuff out there between thing of earth and whatever else that you can actually print
something cool pretty quickly yeah there's basically three major things that occurred pretty
close together one was super cheap stepper motors super cheap a bit microcontrollers
with boards set up to control those motors and then the hot end materials when prusa was
put in his stuff together you had to wrap your own wire to make a tube that would heat up
to the right temperature to do the plastic you know you were making everything yourself
if you look on the the wiki page for I don't know it's probably rep wrapped out already they have
a hot end area and if you look through there you can see all the you know old revisions of things
and it looks like when they're you know making you know capacitors and ruptures in the 1920s it
looks like that kind of stuff wow I gotta look at that stuff up but nowadays all these parts are
so cheap like you're saying I mean you can you can buy motors and you know all the tubing
and everything else I mean I go one I went on Amazon and bought replacement parts for like
half this this printer and you know maybe like ten dollars of these for like different things
I bought like a whole freaking thing of the tubing and you know I don't I just the the speed of
which that this finally got caught up in nowadays you can do whatever with these things it was just
phenomenal yeah there's plenty of cheap knockoff stuff on eBay and wherever I think the the best
source to go is the e3d-online.com it's a UK company and they produce like a V6 hot end that you
bought if you bought a knockoff it was knocked off of their original design and so they're they're
the precision manufacturers of all that stuff and they have a lot of really really good equipment
oh it took that out and it's not really that much more expensive you know you can pay $30 for the
hot end on eBay but you're gonna pay 45 from these guys you may as well spend the extra 10 bucks
to get the perfect one right and I was surprised living in Hawaii they don't have shipping like
you know you as post office they have like international two-day for like 12-50 so if you buy
things that don't weigh a lot or not bulky I can get stuff from the UK in two days cheaper than
I can buy it from Amazon aren't you close to the China too well kind of in the middle but you know
I don't think we're made your hub for China and under so people who have like the 3d printer and
don't know what to what to what to do with it I pretty much I've had times and I've just sat there
and gone through like thinking where I was going okay I want to print that I want to print that I
want to print that I mean even simple little things like I found a orb that's a storage container
that prints in like three separate parts top part you know and they kind of all swivel and
they're used for like different storage compartments but then when you fold it all back together
it's an orb like that's cool I want to do that yeah part of it too is just you know figuring out
the puzzle pieces you can go on tinkercad and that's super basic but you can take you know blocks
and cylinders and planes and you know tubes and stuff and make whatever shape you want and printed
yeah once I get everything running up up and running again I want to number one print out a
bunch of things that I have found and then number two just get more into the designing aspect of things
one of the first things I ever printed that I made myself I still used today and that
it's probably two years old it's just a clip a plastic clip for the that you know wire stick
under the head of your car that holds up your hood when you have your hood up the plastic clip
broke on my truck so I looked at the old one and played around with them all enough
and printed out a few of them and replaced it and that piece of plastic is still working today
I just still get a stick into the hood of the car stick into the hood of the car
well we're a stick the plastic clip on because you talk about the clip that the metal piece
that goes to the holds the hood of the car up when it's open right yeah so when you put the
metal bar down to close the hood there's a clip that holds it from vibrating around right
I replaced that clip right I just clips into a hole in the in the front there okay I
don't realize that it clips into a hole I don't know if you had to use like a some sort of a glue to
get the thing on or I know it's a clip in manufacturer dang that there's like a square hole
in the metal on top of the radiator and that clip pops into that little hole and that clip has
you know a pinchy thing on the top that holds that bar right right right right right right
not be I'm the inside of the car or not I'm a hood okay yeah sorry some really
interesting in that that that part was I'm not the hood but it sticks in the hood it's been
a while so that will put out of the car can I drop a note for those who may be upgrading
laptops of course this is not a commercial they they're just a company that I found to be
very good is the plug-ables know that well plug-ables is good if you're doing anything with
USB video charging all sorts of stuff but this is a company called new mode US they
new mode electronics is a official name what I purchased from them was a E-SATA P adapter
that uses the old E-SATA P which is the powered E-SATA connection and I used
it to hook up to a cheap SSD externally on on my old laptop I also got a a replacement for
the DVD drive that holds an SSD adapts an SSD to your CD DVD drive inside the laptop
so that's a new mode that I'm sure a new mode US.com is the website yes now I got mine to Amazon
but what I wanted with your talk about Chinese warehousing the cable that I came with as two pieces
one of which would adapt to the DVD drive that I pulled out and there was a second part that
would adapt that that connection to a full to a regular laptop hard drive or SSD it was missing the
second part I contacted Amazon and Amazon contacted new mode and they had that part to me in a few
days of a very quick correction of there I find a company that responds to a bubble quickly more
impressive than someone who may do it perfectly because you know you can trust them to back their
stuff so he bought it at Amazon but it was a new mode US product and he told Amazon there was a
problem and Amazon told new mode and they fixed it and they fixed it quickly they sent me yep
the parts going to be in the mail it was delivered I'm quite impressed yeah that's another example
of getting a good product from Amazon I bought some you know no name LED headlights
through Amazon and I could have gone to eBay or somewhere else but I bought three Amazon and when
they went out there's there's zero documentation in the package you know it doesn't have
very good English you know any instructions it just kind of shows you some pictures of how
to set it up and all this stuff well about six months later one of the headlights went out
and all it says in the packaging and says contact manufacturer for replacement if broken you know
and couple things like that well there's no phone number to the manufacturer there's no website
to the manufacturer so I get on Amazon I look at the reviews and you know how to contact these people
and what their information is and basically there was nothing I could do in the listing but I told
Amazon that I needed to get the manufacturer to replace this broken thing and so Amazon contacted
the people that listed that product and then the people that actually listed the product contacted me
through the Amazon communication system however they do it and they got me the product so
yeah if you're going to buy something weird I think Amazon is is helpful when something bad happens
yeah well I just you know I bought two items one of them what's a little what's a different package
than I actually ordered but they cleared it up in date the replacement part came to me
faster than my original order nice yeah that's pretty good according to new mode US they're in
California and it's funny because I've done these websites in the past this is a completely unskinned
basic Zincart website they don't even have pretty URLs all URLs are you know main underscore
paid equals index you know campers on sea path blah blah blah and whatever the ID number is
they didn't even bother to skin anything they just installed Zincart put their stuff in there
and started selling stuff so it looks like they pay more attention to customer service at least
then they do the website which is really good all right but you know they already shoot shoot
not fireworks over there oh yes they started at 530 it's 1045 all right guys I got to go a bit
can I do a year sorry happy new year and I'll probably see talk to some of you guys in the
morning if anybody's in the morning but if not I'll see some of you guys on Friday
hey how do you rule out I'd hang out till it was your your new years but I'm just getting dual
no worries have a good night and happy new year everybody well I'm going back to my days as
a midnight security guard staying up from sundown to sun up these brings me back to well
the 90s when I was doing security all night oh night yeah minor take care talk to you tomorrow
or fight happy new year miss a joke do you guys have a new year's drink or food that you
do every year well I do a commercial eggnog the more I call it grants are medically
in advisable for me I finally had more than one eggnog at Christmas with my family it was nice
I haven't really had eggnog before not bad it was the basic grocery store brand I look forward
to it although this year you can only get it by the court locally yeah I think it was a court
hi guys this is so care happy new year happy new year I have this just so care too
happy new year my friend and my friend my good Tony Montana little friend
they're like my best friend from when we were in college she's still my best friend
see oh come on this year's gonna be is you had one job anyway about you know I did a really
really good impersonation about that you know I had one job it was to press the space far
I'll call me after the first bottle of champagne I think we can forgive you
I don't know we haven't been here long enough for you to have about this could get
isn't your uh actually in central times on your new year's already happened
we're in Pacific and our new year's just happened here too so yeah we're in Pacific
oh okay that was thinking Arizona for some reason
does it definitely desert we're in Nevada oh that's right so zapos still over there
zapos the retail chain the uh shoot people that I was on but I don't know if we have any open
still here in this area but I know that we we shipped to them all the time with one of the
customers that I wear house for I remember reading an article that were big and Vegas
or that was our headquarters for a while that might be the case Vegas is 450 miles from here
so who's been on tonight who do we miss? well 51 50 just left uh sub sub sub unity
from Sweden left little while ago I think I think it was hockeyman goo left left drove from
tilts and other things was here earlier so yeah we missed all the fun people
but often you obviously and I think all the tilts people were supposed to be on early in the day
but I have just got on a couple hours ago yeah we've got a house we had a house full
that we just finally sent the old folks home and took the small folks into bed so we finally
get to be you know middle adults so if your fireworks subsided with your legal in this state
unless they're the actual like pyro technique shows that are put on so yeah they have but that
didn't mean that they didn't happen oh yeah those are bunch and the cups of their
config right for day up yeah might my son's friend lives around the corner and every year I
have to face but come and threaten him with police action yeah well they still all kind of
stuff at landmark in Costco over here so but they they just don't have the roadside sign
or the roadside stands like in Texas the only place you can get him in Nevada legally is it the
immunization and then you can't take him off the reservation which of course stuff people how
yeah it doesn't we were just discussing that we used to talk I didn't yeah it doesn't stop anybody
that's why I always hit the threat in the neighborhood with police action that's where he's
giving him well I got like this year I just moved into a new house and it just ran for about 30
minutes and then you know fireworks were going off all the time but now they're accumulating more
I told my family that this year I'll be sitting at home spring down the house hoping it
doesn't catch on fire we probably would get like eight inches of precipitation in the whole year
luckily it is typically this time of year that we get it so you guys been doing any Linuxy stuff this year
we've been talking about going back to doing some podcasting I know so extend some HPR episodes
but I haven't been able to do anything much with this year I'm not usually
I've been working a lot of hours I it's been too much time away from home and doing things that
aren't my designated hobbies I think we both miss hanging out with our old crew online though we
used to have a lot of fun on whatever night it was five years out of the day here you guys used to be
on the podcast shows and different things with what to and those guys right we used to mostly be on
Linux kind so those sometimes I think we went on something kind of techy once in a while and a
few others probably here they're bitterness well I can extend an invitation to Linux
podcast as the remaining representative of that crew yeah you're going to have a Friday show right
what time does that start on what time zone nine o'clock eastern the number details are on our
website and nine o'clock is a very nominal time sometimes people are there eight thirty and
sometimes we start time drag yeah that would be six p.m. our time which means we've probably just
be getting off work and that would be not me I've been at work home from work before eight p.m.
many night and last two weeks and I just don't know when that's going to let up but so it could
might be able to pull it off it depends on how cooperative the five-year-old is well we sometimes run
to midnight eastern well then I guess that we just have to hop on late maybe yes and we are on the
first Friday first and third Fridays of the month so you get two chances a month to hear our
brilliance or our fertile exposition anyway I'll have a look put it on the calendar because I
think we should probably try to start getting back out there again I think that the longer we put it
off the I think the sooner we get ourselves back doing anyone thing the sooner we'll get back into
the swim in it well we're extremely open format so it's not we're you know we're part of the
old dev random and whatnot through kernel panic this is so do you guys do any kind of
particular new year's food or drink the new year drink anything alcoholic food anything that
could be eaten with fingers and dipped did you guys just hear what I said and I've managed break it
how did you get the purpose of nasty knock of accidentally breaking things what about you what
you poison well definitely shouldn't be that midnight but I've been having mochi fried mochi
and some can not go and sugar which is pretty good it's okay let is the rice cake it's a
what's kind of a hard rice cake like hockey pickle thing but you fry it and because it's a solid
kind of hard rice thing it kind of melts in the pan and it becomes really bubbly and expands a little
bit and then you can iflip it over a couple of times in the pan with some oil and so it's got like a
crunchy outside in the chewy center and it's canoco stuff is very finely powdered soybean and you
mix that with half and half sure and it's a good little snack sounds interesting it's supposed to be
like a good luck food zed Japanese tradition I was gonna see it sounds far more appetizing than
my mother's idea of a good luck food which is his black eyed piece yeah you're also supposed to have
a tangerine and I think clam soup of some kind but I don't like clam so I don't do that
I only do clams and they're deep fried and breaded a lady after my mother's so good restaurant
well my dad's southern and he always told me that everything tastes better if it's deep fried
and smothered in cheese I'm trying to think of what in the south is deep fried hands smothered in
cheese doesn't have to be both but you can do both oh I see melted cheese on anything or fried
yeah I'll definitely agree with a fried my uncle made us some chicken fried steak with
top sirloin over the holiday which was nice I made a beef wanting to with that balsk
yeah Christmas day yeah Christmas day if I so yeah well I probably should have remembered
the Christmas how many pounds was that maybe it was the day it was gonna be Christmas
day it's the day off to the kids son who's almost 20 and he likes to cook but he's got this
horrible habit I was saying okay I want to make this so here's the shopping list and then we
this been $300 the grocery store and then we get all the stuff home and then he says oh I got
to go and we ended up having to cook at ourselves but yes I've only three points in which was a five
pounds beef attendloin and obviously pretty shootout and that that that that's all the
what I believe and the mushrooms and all the fun stuff mixed I followed the Gordon Ramsay version
um sort of he had a Christmas version but I didn't find any roasted chestnuts to put in
that unfortunately guys stumble upon must have been a five or maybe 10 year old youtube
video of Gordon Ramsay because I was watching the America's Tech Test Kitchen or something on
YouTube and the next video was Gordon Ramsay's holiday whatever and he made like 10 different
things and they all looked awesome that guy knows how to do stuff it's he it's kind of weird
because he's a footballer original soccer player. I was gonna say he could teach an entire class
of the proper use of the effort. Yeah well it's that's his personality if you see
him interacting with kids there was one episode where um it was I know some kids think
his kid must check class something and there was a girl and she was like 12 or something
and she's crying because the souffle didn't rise or something and only sat down and he said
there's no crying in the kitchen I've got two doors and man you know whichever one is like your age
and he did this like silly little thing and made her smile and cheered her up and yeah I just
think it's basically it's just it's the whole thing like such. Some cows. Some cows. That
helps I'm gonna I'm gonna be very rude to people just because it's yeah it gets people to watch
basically. That's where we should start calling my son but he's being but he is so kind.
What Gordon Ramsay? When he's being a trickle Mr. Colonel Simon.
He's Simon English or Australia. He's British. He's definitely British.
Just don't call Gordon Ramsay English. I used to love his kitchen nightmare series.
Yeah whatever did happen to that. I can't even remember what was that one that was horrible
way basically walked away from it. They ignored everything he said. They didn't cook anything.
It was the one so that the stuff they cooked was horrible. The only thing he liked was the thing
they didn't cook and they lied to him and they were just it was terrible. It was like the wife
wanted to do it so the rich husband said they are by a restaurant and she had no idea how to cook.
I didn't remember one where they went back and I think it was the one where the arrogant
chef guy you know is like a 22 25 year old guy. Parents basically workers are placed to get
him a restaurant and he wouldn't taste his cooking and Gordon Ramsay was just like why in the world
would you serve anybody food that you have not tasted. When they went back after and they
found out he went back to his old way of doing things you know months later after going through
all this stuff. The problem is a lot of people seem to do that. A lot of the reality TV shows.
A it's all sort of big up for TV a little anyway. And from what I heard is most of these shows
the people go back to their old ways and basically fail. The biggest loser show was it well yeah
the people lose 400 pounds or whatever look in well a year or two weeks but yeah in over the
year and they get surgery to do that and all that stuff. I can remember the numbers it's
some of the 15 people that were on the show. 13 of them had put all the weight back on and six
of them had gained more weight afterwards. It's a really weird they'll do it for the TV show and
then people generally get back into their old habits. So in the biggest loser did they actually
his part of their wind package some kind of surgery like lap band or something that's like a
gastric thing that helps them not eat so much. That might have been the best way for them to do
but I think most of them just ended up using the surgery is cosmetic to take off the extra skin
it doesn't go away when you lose fat. So the last way and they had flat and they got surgery for flat
not eating eating. Yeah mind standing again you see what TV show wants you to see.
One of my jobs was actually still I see but worked at I'm trying to not give specifics away
but it was not home shopping network but think home shopping network. That kind of thing and the
the studio's tea it's just small enough to be to you see basically everything but there's there's
narrow back in the the host's walk out from this area in the back and it's just large enough
the host of height out of camera shot and then start peeling me like hey welcome there's nothing
back there there's like wall there's warehouse there was nothing else behind there was nowhere to go
but you make it look like you can step out and walk out and it was really weird to see how you know
they control everything so you see exactly this the camera angle specifically here because if you
move it three inches to the left then you've got something you don't want to see and it was very weird
so I'm sure a lot of these reality TV shows are very straight on sort of what they show you
but supposedly it's all yeah they they had a camera with a personal training guy but they had
him on cool to press something or other yeah to talk to people and teach them how to eat better
and work out. Well that they stayed on the program they couldn't continue with the way they were
doing but just like most people you know you're doing great you're doing great you're doing
great and you're like oh well this weekend I can do whatever I've been doing so good I should just
work myself. When you have a food addiction it's the same as being an alcoholic you can't get off
that wagon at all. I mean stupidly simple you eat less calories than you burn and then you lose weight
it's that it's one simple formula that's how it is calories and calories out eat less
you burn and then you lose weight eat more you gain weight. Listen to us like we're some kind of
real simple just really difficult to do in practice and as someone who knew to get back on the
the wagon of eating coffee and losing weight again well today yeah I'm completely hypocritically
but you miss your beef well and can over there yeah exactly I like to short you should
enjoy it a little but absolutely you can't cross that line between enjoy and abuse and I think
that's where a lot of us end up because food does become an addiction. Now I'm addicted to tacos
so we we have the friend was waiting for me to let go of the bus.
She was sitting here hoping we'd stop talking and let go of the buttons she could open her beer.
That's podcast and gold you know pop the top poured in the glass you can hear the
glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug
wait wait we don't waste glasses around here it came in the appropriate good dispenser
the 30 in the container what do you put in another one for cheers and glad it's nice and
wet outside there's all kinds of cool stuff going on wet what is this water thing you talk about
it's this stuff that falls from the sky everyone's so well it's a stuff that fell from
the sky every day for me growing up and that's why move to a desert yeah one extreme to the other
we get all excited when it rains or snow it's very because we so rarely see it we like 360
days of sun in this state so we get excited when the rain comes or the snow comes every time
I'm all cheering for an ease of there in the corner pounding. We're a bunch of people like
it rains a deemy singland and there's a reason I moved to a desert okay there's bits of England
I totally miss this really cool architecture yeah this building that was 400 years old
that was not particularly special because all the other buildings on that road are also 400 years old
oh my grandmother used to live in a farm house at 400 years old had a fashion roof nothing
especially about it wasn't a listed building because all of them were like that but the weather is
definitely something I do not miss from England well you can always visit yep there is that or I can
just why not to Washington yeah if I want snow I drive 45 minutes to the top of the mountain and
I can enjoy the snow and then get back in my car and go back to 80 degrees that's what's nice
I've got here where we're at in northern Nevada if it snows it doesn't stick around until April
and usually it snows in the mountains and we just get rain in the valley and it's really really
pretty and you have to build with the stupid drivers I totally don't mind the snow at all it's just
sharing the road with people who don't know how to cope with it that bothers me and I really
kind of just prefer it when I'm on my couch at home with a book in front of the fireplace
I get to make you another drink and then no one's talking what did you say about the weather I
guess we scared everybody else well I guess the real show is going to start in about 40 minutes
there's quite a few big bangs going off already okay what's happening in 14 minutes because
Alaska was 20 minutes ago and I'm losing track of which islands are nice and Hawaii
is that 40 minutes for the big island yep is that where you're at yeah I'm in Connor
I hate you you would hate the humidity no Hawaii it's fine you just stay in the water well
the time it's one of them in today but it's been cool what would you define as a little
few minutes what's your definition of cool well it's probably like 75 now it is 23 degrees
on my front porch well nice I'm back I just had to take advantage of a few moments
right to grab some lunch and some stuff from the local convenience store across the street
welcome back I'm being haunted by my housemate a taxi to a cat who wants her share of lunch
our cat constantly thinks she's starving it is it'd be funny if it was this aggravating
well I must admit that I've encouraged her we usually split the sandwich a little bit
I pull off a chunk of the hand so she's now got entitlement issues if we're still talking
about cats they all have entitlement issues that's because they remember the
Egyptians will issue them as ghosts yes in the guy who wrote the cat king back was a pessimist
isn't the alming cat and Egyptian and this is a taxi to a cat female in the guy who
do so that's there nobody was talking about we've got no orange tabby who is a sleep not too far
from us at the moment she's always the same well she's a cat she's like she's a cat she's like
she's asleep let's keep me under proper feeling supervision
so we've seen the subreddit cats are liquid
they just lie in really weird ways and it just peaches them like lying like they have no bones
yeah basically I spoke something on the floor they cut laid out
well this one is well I'm a restless sleeper but when I'm awake the cat believes
900's calling is the better yes that was good the rest of it to mine
we also have a fringe door which this cat learned very early to open by herself
the French door yeah probably has those leather handles instead of the turn
oh right okay we had a cat that could have done that if we didn't have the turn
he knows but that doesn't make sense now I was confused we had a cat that didn't
the hole sorry I just we had a cat that used to light up in the hallway because she wanted
us to open better door and leather in it night so she's to sit out their own night
and meow for five minutes and then she'd jump up and turn away on jump up and turn away
often she'd do that for two and three minutes and then she'd go back to meow it was the
constant chorus oh night long well this cat has learned how to either push the door open
or hook it's claws into the edge of the door and pull it open the door the entire edge of the
door has a whole series of little pin breaks so there's a story behind this cat we have
we didn't really want the cat we have a five year old she just turned five and she's a bit
of a group still and we we just weren't ready for a cat but our son who just tonight today
turned 20 he brought this cat home and decided that we had we're having a cat okay now
that was pretty upset at first but the cat's really cute she's really really cute
but then we found out that this cat is going to spend her entire life trying to eat anything
and everything anybody leaves out she bread yeah she's so close she figured out how to open the
breadbox so she could eat the bread she threw ten folds get to a cake she did to fall they get
to a cake and then she proceeds to get sick on the carpet it's been a battle our bread now lives in
the microwave and everything else lives in the fridge of the freezer sometimes we can find a place to
put something in the pantry but we have to put anything and everything that she could possibly
chew through into a place that she can't chew through because if we don't she will eat it
well a friend of mine had a cat that they originally gave canned food to and then some dry
kibble to tie it over then the vet said oh no no don't give the dry food well the cat got
up on the kitchen counter and tore into looking the cabinets and tore into anything
that looked like a客 food bag beans what a have you now she spilled them on the counter
but the cat had been taught that it wasn't supposed to eat anything on the counter so it would
knock the stuff on to the floor or could eat it this cat also learned that at a certain turning
one way was to the vet and bad times and one way was to pet toe and fun so it reacted accordingly
instead of they started driving around the corner past pet co well it was a fork in the road
there were two different directions but to pet co put when the cat went to pet co it had fun
and it was very happy when it was headed toward the vet and it knew that it was headed toward the vet
it was kind of up to you know also it was a ferro kitten so they said well you know it could be
standoffish or whatnot so my friend she reported that it was the most another post that you could find
you guys have those plastic bags that you get to grocery store not to paper bag but like the
the crunchy plastic bag yeah we have different varieties of those yes we had this cat that would
look at you from around the corner of the kitchen cabinet and if there was a bag on the floor it
would step on the bag and make noise with the bag and looking at you to try to get you to go
into the kitchen to give her some food or him some food there was a funny thing if there was a
bag somewhere and the cat wanted your attention he'd go stand by the bag and just look at you
and step on this bag and make the you know the crunchy bag noise they looked at it and did something
I discovered the most brilliant thing in the entire world last night right before my five year old
with a long string with an inflated blunt tied to the end her and the cat ran around the house
for an hour and a half with this dumb balloon and they were both so tired when they were done they
left me alone well one of my cats got mugged by a cat and it mows I can't hear you pizza
on to hear you right well the cat hit mouse was on an elastic string as they tended to beat
and the cat was chasing it and the string got wrapped around the hind leg so the cat was convinced
that it was being attacked by a cat in a mouse that is so funny also that was one of our last
outdoor cats at the end of my driveway we lived near a stream and counted a goose landing
this little gray cat looked at the goose and started doing its best mutual along the
ha I'm a lion is imitation the good news is that there's true after moment neither the cat nor the
goose got into trouble with it with the other do you know what's really sad about that story
is I'm old enough that I can hear the music to mutual of Omaha in my head right now I can see
myelin perkins in a pond or a lake or something yes well yes but you also this gray cat once
crawled under a blanket on my mother's bed and decided to wash up including lifting one
hind leg up in the air which of course lifted the blanket up but the cat didn't care it was
going to wash up regardless of whether it was under a blanket or not we also had a 50 pound
West Westy West Island Terrier spits cross it was a large family size Westy and when the cat
wanted to sleep in the dogs bed the cat the dog moved and the cat wanted to sleep
under my mother's bed if the dog was there it moved the cat bounced around the dog the
way you know five times what it did my cat just opened that front door into our hallway
is it wants to go upstairs and look around or whatever since it's not going to get any more
ham tonight she's done it's time to patrol well it's amazing we just disconnected on this and
we're finally back I don't know what caused that it was really weird well this cat is is not spoiled
in our front window I put a drop leaf on the window sealed to widen the sill and in the
summertime that sometimes has a fan on it in our dining room there's a large low radiator which
the cat will sleep on that's also another window we don't have it air conditioning in the house
so I put fans in that window so the cat has that sometimes and yes it will sleep on a hot water
radiator we have a gas stove which has the pilot light in the middle of under a griddle
and the cat would stretch out on that and sleep what's the normal temperature of a cat
it's my daughter hotter yeah 104 degrees body temperature now she's looking through the
current stores same once you open this thing I've never let any of my cats be out there cats
I'm always like petrified they're going to get hit by a car well around here the two
thousand is the coyotes yeah I was going to say we get enough of those out where we live
too I wouldn't want them to be eaten by those either but typically if you bring your pets
in at night that's not a problem this is our first truly house cat because of friend of mine
well in neighbor on the other side of the block reported that it had an orange tiger and
they found that that had been eaten or half eaten by a coyote I can't remember when it
starts but my son's going to go on a coyote hunt here and I think that's a few weeks but I'm not
positive I can't remember exact dates but he's going to go on a coyote hunt this year they have
like a free coyote hunting day in this area once a year I don't know how long it lasts a couple
days but I don't know how I feel about it but at the same time yeah well I remember that there's a certain
little patch of woods where the bus turns around it goes a sort of a loop around this little
patch of woods with a with a dentist's office on it and in the parking area I saw two or three
coyotes nine o'clock one Monday morning yeah they're pretty common here too much in the city
but out in the outskirts where we live you see him you hear more than you see him but
and you're eating lunching or car at work they might come up and I don't know I've had one
do that once which was one time too many to be honest well we're sort of out in the suburbs there's
patches of woods and stuff around here there isn't enough to keep a reasonable small game population
one didn't of course there's the terrors and cats which tiredies are not picky eaters that's the
truth and building density is high enough around here that hunting is not an option yeah in the
habit of you go five miles outside of any city limits you're probably gonna be in pretty much
the middle and nowhere so no one cares yeah my brother's a long all trucker he tells me about going
out west and saying what's out there he said nothing in large quantity that's kind of the
one most of us say we always get we always say things like go that way a little bit there's a
whole lot of nothing well I'm calling him on his cell phone and Verizon used to have a commercial
but I had a guy who was saying can you hear me now I was telling my brother that he should
sign up with AT&T because he can tell them all the places they don't have coverage well
here the only two carriers that are even worth having at all really are I mean I was about the
whole west coast I'm just talking about my section of Nevada are really AT&T and Verizon I think
Verizon still beats AT&T most of the time we do have several other carriers you can get but you
have a lot more no signal zones with those yeah well my brother also uses the internet over
itself on so you know that's his lifeline and he bounces from Washington to California
and you can be up to Chicago and down to Atlanta it's a life I'm not sure I could live that's
for sure I have a hard enough time when I have to work long hours not being able to come home
when I want to come home but you know I have lots I know lots of people who who work long
home and needs a leveter you hated I guess well he's been married several times then he
probably loves it right well he's uh he's making do he's he's looking forward to retiring to the
Philippines they have lots of snakes there I'm not so sure that would appeal to me as I understand it
they also have special taxes for non-resident alien are for resident aliens but he believes
it's going to be a tropical paradise and since he's going to be on the island which word the
city of Benelay is he doesn't believe that he's going to run into any problems with the
Muslim extremists pointing out that the reason the army went to the 45 was because of Philippine
Muslim extremists said didn't seem to make an impression also he found we need to a country where
the returning native workers have to shrink wrapped their baggage so the customs people do not
solve it with the ammunition and then charged them for importing ammunition to be a perfectly
reasonable and civilized area that's interesting um I work in the freight industry and
there's tons of LTL carriers it could teach those custom agents out of where you wrap that
baggage without a problem well I find it to be new if if you have to defend yourself against your
own customs people I don't find that to be a positive outcome I completely agree with you that is a
total reason to promptly move right well also the fact that as far as like he he believes that
his pension or what have you will go far over there but he doesn't realize that there's no
Medicare and there's no all the medicine medication is all the hospitals are cash and
carry basically um and as a resident alien they they have special they don't have the kind
who's um they don't I'm I've heard that you won't be able to work or anything because they don't
want to take jobs away from the natives you know the usual protection is stuff but they're perfectly
willing to tax him especially the usual protection is stuff but they're perfectly willing to tax him
especially oh of course they are I mean that's just how government's work I mean that's kind of
I don't know it's probably not right it's not fair but it is and you're not going to find any
place it's any different I'm sure the US has similar or or or even worse rules and some respects
I think but what I'd be concerned about is even if you have to deal with healthcare at a foreign
nation you know I just I don't have the faith I would need to attend a doctor in another nation
I'm just I don't know I mean maybe if I was like an England or something and that might be
different because I know people who use that system but I am just I don't like doctors to begin with
and I would be absolutely petrified out to go to one in a nation that didn't even speak English
because how could you even advocate for yourself if you don't know the language but also he says well
if he had if he brings a certain amount of money they don't tax him but if you ever have to
tap that bank roll for anything like medical care then they turn on the taxes again and that doesn't
make a whole lot of sense either it doesn't I mean the more money you have the more people want to
tax you usually correct why would they suddenly decide not to tax you when you had a certain amount of
money I don't know I don't understand because it gets people over there they put it in the bank
and then something causes them to go on to the magic number and then they're taxable
like some of these assisted living arrangements that they have in the U.S. here where you can
move in if you have certain amount of assets and then they keep the meter running until your assets
are drained sufficiently and then you're out on whatever nursing home you can afford on on the
public door yeah I think every country has strange stuff like that in our systems I don't
need anyone in particular has an up-way on any of it I think we've just got to be like dealing
side with ones you can live with and which ones you can't well I am I can't really point out
these too much because it's it just doesn't get through well when people make up their mind they
make up their mind you usually can't change it I mean especially when they're grown adults you
notice the kids are a lot more open to logical reasoning than most adults you know are
well I'm coming from the Boston area uh logical reasoning seems to be an option around here
not not a standard feature yeah I think that seems to be at least a concept that 50% of this
country doesn't grasp right well that's one reason why we have the current president in the
Democrats really miss the boat on that one you know they've been pushing class warfare and whatnot
no about identity politics and identity politics only works if you don't know what your identity is
sadly well most of us know exactly who we are well the problem you had is that you had the
the class people who knew what was good for us then you had the rest of us with no class who decided
to say to heck with you I completely agree we were tired of the status quo it wasn't getting
this way we needed to be I don't think I am not a supporter of our current president in the classic
sense of the word but I don't think that we had any good options during the last selection so
you know you pick the lesser the two evils right that's all we've ever done for decades and
whatever politics is what it is and I don't think there was a Republican but the second president
Bush and our current incumbent made me an independent so interestingly enough I'm an American
citizen obviously wasn't originally the last presidential election it was the first one I
got to vote it and oh boy what a wonderful choice that was and I mean that in the most sarcastic way
it's a pile or bigger shit pile yeah well interestingly I can recommend to you a book called
the last Centurion I believe John Ringwell was the author and it posits what a Clinton administration
would have been like a bit of a dystopia they talk about also global warming turning into global
cooling and some other issues like the porousness of our borders when it comes to containerized
trait so it's quite possible for someone with a epidemic illness to be shipped from China to the
US and our customs is just not built to handle that it's built to find drugs but not people
well it's it's hard to fight a war if you aren't allowed to fight and that applies to so many
things of life but if you take away all of the tools to win you only set it up for failure right
which describes the Vietnam experience fairly succinctly it describes everywhere we've been involved in
since World War II it describes everything we've tried to deal on the more it describes the more on drugs
it describes just about everything it's because well in part this is going to sound so
so 1945 of me and it and essence but it's the classification of America everybody is afraid to
hurt somebody's feelings well do you remember when the US used to back the right to privacy
I remember when the US believed there was a right to privacy now everybody in this country is like
don't expect it it's not there well do you realize the Patriot Act made basically the bill of
rights purely optional they haven't made that purely optional yet although I have seen
those who would like to see it become purely optional or only apply to the parts of speech and
life that they want to but well well when you remember that somebody shut down a secure email
system because the government wanted keys to the system and this guy I forget his name but he
wasn't allowed to tell his lawyer what he was charged with because it was a national security issue
yeah they have those super secret cool things that they can't you're not allowed to tell anyone
about which is just yes horrible yeah I mean that's why companies some companies have
warrant canaries because they can give you they can slack with a warrant this is you're not allowed
to tell but they'll go to Google and say we want information about netmina and you cannot tell
him you can't tell anyone who are not allowed to discuss it or we will slap you with a felony
and rest you and your family and you know shoot your kids and okay not quite but it's
it's that how this holding like you can't tell anyone about it so some companies have warrant
canaries as it says we have not received any warrants requesting information about people
I just give frustrated with with the whole us versus them crap aren't we all on the same
god damn team yeah well yes but you see to protect you you see you can have a lock on your front door
but in order to protect you you have to give the government a key to your back door
reminds me of the Soviet apartment blocks that had special elevators for the KGB
yeah and I know the UK wants to have a year or so oh happy new year yes happy new year Hawaii
wow yeah I barely speak English oh yeah depending on how many beers I've had I've seen
Leo and Stich does that count I've been passed away once I've been to Hawaii I've not I've
been passed it that's the closest I was not old enough to appreciate it and I'll be all scared
me because the pigs to how it's had attached the pigs had what the head was still attached to
the pig when they voted in the back I had nightmares for a month about this flaming pig that was
chasing me this is the psychiatrist house yeah usually they pull it out and they put on a big
rack and they're trying to get on the rack sometimes it comes apart and you get no legs this way
in that way all I saw was the pig in the ground on the leaves and the coals fully intact
and I never wanted to see any more about it and so I completely and totally avoided any visual
of that area of the well did I some had nightmares for a month was he smiling at the chase you
I don't know I couldn't see past the flames I was eight and I was severely sunburned
so I don't know if it was a nightmare doesn't it was bad what I found impressive about the
Hawaiians was that they were and still are those that practice this the Nick what you would
what the Canadians would go first nations people according to something that I saw on
YouTube they had this sort of greeting ceremony where the warriors would greet people and there
would be sort of a force you know they would be in your face but they would move forward and according
to one of the guys a military guy who went through the process or who was greeted this way
when they came out you could feel sort of a shy energy radiating from these people so they
they basically said you know if you're nice people will be nice to you and if you're not nice people
well we're perfectly willing to get busy quite impressive yeah I think the Maori people in
New Zealand are like that they're still quite a bit of attitude among the younger people so
this is a refreshingly honest way of greeting foreigners I mean they're not hostile
from the start they're just prepared yeah it's probably good to show that you're not passive from
the beginning well also I saw they have a habit of sort of sledding down some of those
steep slopes that I found quite impressive since it was sort of like to bargaining without snow
that I haven't seen there's there's not any soft lava over here well I guess it was on a
different island but yeah I mean these are you know they had a lot of ways they call
plumes that go from the top of the mountain and they kind of me under through the hills
down the lower areas and that's how they do irrigation in the mountain areas and they
they run these plumes and they're just basically not like a kayak but like that
log ride at six flags you know you ride in the log down the watershed kind of like that
the two these ditches and that can be fast at sometimes different points in the
the thing it's like a closed circuit whitewater racking arms remind you with some of the
similar well they were usually wooden but there were similar plumes that were used
for transporting logs in the northwest American imagine riding them would be rather
excited also some of these Polynesians are we give the average football player pause yeah there's
definitely some tough guys out there well I'm just saying uh pick me as they aren't you know very strong
very well built so there's like all of these people in this room and where the only three talking
I think they're not really there some of them are recording
it's just like when you go into the the I'll cast planet channel you know there's like
everybody in god is in there but no one is saying anything yeah except they're not lurking there
their user is just recording it so they can always have a backup recording nothing because nothing
is being said no what we're what's being said by us is reading recorded by everyone with a red dot
oh well I did mention earlier that it reminded me of my youth the days was the silent majority
what do you mean nothing the internet loves cats you know my cat has not yet learned
how to use the keyboard or mouth you know I'd be more interested in treating my how to use
toilet first when I get to stop scooping a kitty litter pan I will have it made
yes well my housemate is in sitting at my feet looking at me the great set eyes as I'm
nibbling on my cam sandwich by the way just for your information my brother found a
set called chewy dot com which has a good uh price and good shipping on on catkibble
something like twelve or thirteen dollars for sixty in pounds of first use uh seafood
temptations that's an appropriately named website
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