This is Hacker Public Radio Episode 3,672, for Tuesday the 30th of August 2022.
Today's show is entitled, Hacker Public Radio 2021-22 New Years, Show Part 3.
It is hosted by Hum Keemagoo and is about $199 minutes long.
It carries an explicit flag.
The summary is the HP, our community comes together to chat.
Hey guys, has anybody of you ever played around with a respiration, the camera, which
you can connect through the ribbon cable and a web RTC so that you can connect to the
web browser to your respripy and it would then stream stream what's on the camera.
Has anybody done things like that?
I have, and I've heard of people doing it, I've heard people talk about it on different
podcasts as well as me, we channels and Facebook, right, very big groups.
Now, I try to go quite minimal with the respripy 0 and I'm not so happy with the resolution.
The camera could deliver much more, but I cannot find anywhere, well, what's the maximum
of picture quality that can be delivered through these little devices, does anybody have
a clue?
Well, actually not too long ago, I think there was an upgrade or a different camera that
you can buy because there were like two, two, like really low-end cameras, one was just
like the regular Raspberry Pi camera, then the other one was almost like it, but I think
they took off the infrared filter and that made it, I think, better for like nighttime
nighttime viewing or something like that, but then there's a third camera that I think
much higher resolution, but I can't remember what the name of that better camera is.
Yeah, the thing is that the camera I have, I have the first, well, I bought it cheap
on all the express and cost like two or three dollars and this has approximately five
megapixel if I'm not mistaken, so you could in maximum when you do streaming, you could
do like a full-body full HD and I cannot even get this high, I settle somewhere around
480 by 640 pixels, charging from the quality of the picture and I spend already quite some
time and I try to find some information, what what you can squeeze out of this little device
where the third limitation is if it is the Raspberry Pi itself, the Raspberry Pi 0 or if
it is the wrong software I'm using and I tried this UV4L and where everywhere you almost
everybody guides you to this website, but then when you try to get this thing up and
running at least when I try to never really work, it just didn't work.
Yeah, as I can remember and this was a few years ago, the resolution on the Raspberry Pi
camera was not that great, but again, I'd look into the latest camera, I can't remember
what the resolution on that was, but that might be better, I'm not sure how much you'll
be able to do with the 0, because I've never really used the zeros on my own, I actually
just like Raspberry Pi 1, 1A, I think, 3 plus and Raspberry Pi 4, I'm never really used
the 0 before.
The Raspberry Pi 0 is interesting considering some projects because of the size, and
it was, and I have chosen it because so many people around the world use it, so I thought
it would be the best solution, and I finally find something for that case, and the thing
is if you, if you build like a birdhouse where you put it somewhere out on the tree and
you throw a camera in it, Wi-Fi, stick, and the battery pack, and you can basically, they
do, so some people do that, and then they follow, well, they hope that a bird is coming
into your box, and is raising his children within like 14 days to three weeks, and they
are gone, and then it is quite handy if you have such a small device first for the place,
and secondly, for the small power consumption, for this was one of the things that Wi-Fi
went for the 0.
Yeah, that's definitely a good choice for that particular application.
But then again, with the ESP32 camera, if I have looked at it, or what?
I mean, it's much cheaper, much smaller, I don't know what the resolution is though, but
I mean, if you're not getting very good resolution, I'll be very high, I mean, the ESP32
is a lot smaller than the 0, even.
You think that I could say, if even more energy, if you're dead, set up?
I believe so, yeah.
That's a good idea.
I'm not sure what the pixels are.
I'm looking into it right now, I'm checking what the difference is between the cameras themselves,
but it's a lot smaller, and I don't know what the difference is in any other way, other
than at small or not cheaper.
Just thinking the ESP32 is while sending, is also quite power hungry if I remember correctly.
It needs quite some energy, and I don't know how to say, how to talk, and to the device.
If you could, with this web RTC, then the Raspberry Pi kind of offers a web server, or
you connect to, so it's web RTC, so it's like speaking to each other, like a chat, but
you just see the camera then obviously, and if you have a microphone as value, you get
some audio.
Oh, yeah, you're not going to get with the ESP, you're not going to have like a GUI to
play around, and you're going to have to code through the Arduino or Python.
This would be possible, thanks for article for the link, the Raspberry Pi camera, but
this one goes up to 12 megapixel, I guess if my not already has the ruggles with 5, I won't
go that high.
Hey, and the other thing you can do, probably, is instead of taking like, I'm not sure what
you want to do, but instead of taking like, I continue this video, which would be like
a power drain, what you could do is set up, like, say, like a cron job to do, like, just
a case of, like, images, image captures, and then what you can do after you captured all
those images, you can convert those images into a video.
That's a nice idea, I have found that one on the birthday where I placed the Raspberry
Pi somewhere and just let them shoot every 15 seconds to picture the good idea.
Yeah, I did that with a Canon camera, because Canon cameras used to come with this, it's called
CHDK, which was Canon hack development kit, so what that was, is you can replace the stock
Canon software with special software, and it would give you different functions, like
one of them was time, it's like time lapse, or things like motion sensors, or things
like that, and that was pretty fun, what I did, you know, back then was I was wondering
what my dog did our day, and so I set up a time lapse on the Canon camera, basically
he just slept all day mostly.
We just got some more tips and ideas in the chat, I have to need some time to go through.
Oh, oh Sebastian.
Hello, the Mikros 3Mur, which was in the chat, is a lightweight, very quick server to
stream MJPEG video. The thing is MJPEG video, well, JPEG is in itself a compressed file
format, but on the other hand, the Raspberry comes with an H264 hardware and code or decoder,
one or the other or both, and so it would be, I have almost zero delay, so to say, so this
will be very handy, and when I don't know, the Mikros 3Mur sounds interesting, looks
like I tried the MJPEG 3Mur but was not so happy with it, and some comparison on the website,
I guess I put the things now in the user pad, unless somebody else already did it, looks
interesting to give it a try.
Jerola, you wrote that you use this package from Mikros 3Mur, and have you also tried others,
I have one more, it's called Pi, Pi CraleCam, I put the link in the ether pad, on the
link to these, the pad is on the website of HPR, and they also seem to be quite good,
and we have, by any chance, already some experience with this one, can I be heard now?
Yes, we can hear you, good, so now I can be heard, right, I'm not using this for just two
years maybe, probably two years actually, and it's changed a little bit since I think,
quite process, just to set mumble up here in the bundle, or on the desktop, and I guess
it's really destroyed, really, Jerola goes to New Year, there is a lot of noise out there.
Where are you from?
Sweethouse, Switzerland, isn't it?
Sorry was that the window?
Yes, I'm from Switzerland.
Yeah, I think the name gave away when you look at any Swiss, right?
In Germany, it is forbidden to have any fireworks, but obviously not in Switzerland.
In England, it's not actually, the UK is different depending on when people are, because
everybody has been split up for this, everyone's got everywhere, it's got slightly different
rules, be that England, Wales, Scotland, or Northern Ireland, same man, everything is where
I'm at, it's completely illegal, but I've bought fireworks in other states, in the US,
after that.
No, no, fireworks are allowed here, it's more about people getting together or not,
and if that's loud and how many people will let all that in there?
Yeah, for sure, here, it's like in California, it's a lot like Australia, and we like to
catch on fire, so fireworks are a big no-no.
Oh, that'll be fireworks, one now to go, and it'll go bang outside, I'm sure.
Oh, I gotcha, so is it legal for you guys to own fireworks?
No, it's not, no, fireworks, fireworks is fine, it's just they're doing COVID restrictions
here, right?
And every can't, because the UK is split up, you know, you can't even actually split
up into it, it's full country is ready, and every country has, has the same rules
slightly, that makes sense, so for example, the nightclubs are all open in England tonight,
however, if you're in Wales, they're closed, and so some of the Welsh have come over,
I'm sure, to come clubbing here tonight instead, and also in Scotland they're doing some
rules a bit more, as well, and so some of the scots are down in England as well, to do
New Year, let's see what I'm saying, I gotcha, for the problem is, we've had Christmas in
England, right?
Bad Christmas, without any restrictions as such, we've had New Year's now, without any restrictions
as such, they put the set of where face masks and if shop began, and on the bus, and
taxis and trains, and when you walk into a cinema, when you sit in a room, you don't have
to do it, but I believe, things like that, but we might pay for this in January, now that's
the only thing, because to be fair, there is a virus still going around, and, you know,
it's not made up, and I just have a feeling that when I want to do things in January
myself, going out a little bit, going to things, that potentially it's going to be restrictions,
which is a bit annoying, I just have that feeling, because there's somebody's going to
happen, I just can't believe it's going to just stay like this, and not after what's
been happening last two years, so I don't know if you can't, what happened with the
CDC side here in America, but they're essentially telling us that the economy is more important
than the people of lives.
Well, yeah, that's kind of what's happening here as well, it's like, you didn't lock down
that Christmas, you didn't lock down at New Year's, because the pubs won't money in the
bars, and, you know, pubs, nightclubs, bars, restaurants, all that, they had problems, that'd be closed last
year a bit, but it's like, you're slightly economy is more important, and then when people
get given a choice, like, would face masks for example, don't wear a fake, you don't have
to wear a face mask coming, I didn't always wear a face mask either, to be fair, however,
when people are given that choice, 99% of people don't do it, of course, and so do
any way to make people do it, really, or enough people is to kind of try and force
on to people that they were doing, and that that probably does actually help stop some
of the spread to be fair, it's not, it's not going to stop everything, but it does
probably help a little bit.
Yeah, well, we have all of that in masks and nothing closing down, but we've also reduced
the amount of time that you have to quarantine from 10 days to five days despite the, you
know, gestation time or your contagious time for COVID being, like, 28 days.
Yeah, yeah, I need to throw it here as well, I think it's down to about maybe seven days now,
or 10 days instead of two weeks, and it's bad, oh yeah, it's bad, in fact, I know like this
is going to be recorded, so I'm a bit like, oh, I want to say this on here, but I guess
I can, there was a guy in our Linux, he was a group who moved to Florida, and he
it turns out he died of COVID in the summer on my birthday, so, you know, that's not great
is it? One of those really clever people as well, you would have learned a lot from about Linux
and other things as well, which is, which is sad.
Oh yeah, and it forced people to grow a brain, I mean, I mean, I mean, I got a sense.
Yeah, I don't know, I'm a little bit mixed, and the one hand, you want to go out and do things,
something a bit, go to some, go to the restaurant, you know, have eat out and enjoy life. Not about
not living your life, it's about mitigating risk. Yeah, yeah, but on the other hand, that on the other
hand there is a finger around, it has kills certain people, and it will kill more people, especially
with, and there's not a lot of people that are just not tickly taking it that seriously, you
don't, they're just like, no, well, it's new year, let's go out, let's go pub in, let's do this,
let's do that, and I'll be doing more photos, come tomorrow about people who have been out tonight.
And I've got a friend here, there are, like, here in Texas, basically nobody's wearing masks anymore,
the people who are wearing masks are extremely few and far between, and yeah, that's exactly
what's happening here as well, it's like the one percent, my, my mum wears a mask, but she works
in, um, with, um, in care, with vulnerable people, let's say, and so they have to kind of wear a mask
in her job anyway, but when you go out into the, real, down outside world, and you go to
shop, so you go to cinnamon, she went to cinnamon on Thursday, and she was turning me on the phone,
how it was a bit like a wake up call, like, wow, is it that, is it really like this? Yeah, 50 people
will not be wearing masks in the cinnamon, because they don't have to, when you're watching a movie,
it's just how it is now, and about 1% of people are doing it, and those people are, I would say,
they're just sort of do all the people, usually, and stuff like that. If then probably the same
America and, well, everywhere, probably really, because maybe you'll have had enough of this,
but on the other hand, I didn't, I was a bit unsure what masks to begin with as well, I read
all the bad stuff on the internet mountain being bad, and they make a glass of steam up and all
rest of it, but, but now I'm a bit like, actually, maybe, I went to a pub early this month,
and, and, obviously, there's nobody in the past, and I knew that, but I thought, actually,
you know what, I'm, I'm, I'm in my early 30s now, and I don't want to get COVID either, really,
and I, and even some of the really young people can get, get it, and get badly affected,
we get a lot of COVID or something, so it's not just, it's not, it's not ideal,
lead away, it's not, it's good to try and avoid it, but then the second you get around to a
shop, people were weren't wet masks before, and now they, now they, now they're supposed to be,
you're to pub, they're not going to be masks, they have to wear pub them in masks in the pub,
or clubs on the internet, and I don't know quite, but, um, what are the, uh, yeah, have you, have you
ever seen the, the short movie where a guy is using this, um, I don't know how you call this in English,
but, um, instead of smoking a cigarette, you can just breathe in hot air, which is generated from
this device that you hold in your hand, so then he takes a deep breath, puts several different
masks on his face, and then he breathes out, and, um, you know, this team, now I got it,
it's a, the steam you see, then, um, you know, the steam is equivalent to your breath, right?
But now if you get it, you get it to visible, and then, then you probably stop wearing the mask in
the cinema. It, uh, there's been a few internet graphics where trying to show, like,
somebody, I know, was linking some of this on Facebook for, and she was trying,
whether basically showing like, this is what happens with a mask, this is what happens with that
a mask, this is what happens with two masks, both people are wearing a mask, uh, I think you mean
to be like that, don't you? Well, he was actually expressing the opposite to trying to show that
masks are not effective using, um, a vaporizer, and the fact that, uh, moisture, the water vapor
from the vaporizer could make it through the mask, even multiple masks, but just because something
isn't 100% effective doesn't mean that you shouldn't use it. Well, yeah, that's, uh, the
bait isn't it? One side is that mask just, that mask doesn't really work, what's the point in this.
On the other hand, it's like, well, they, they might, they work a bit actually, and if you
are infected, so, so they might actually help a little bit. There's two ways. I'd rather
to help, so it doesn't help. Very to help. If somebody says, next to you, you speak to somebody,
and, um, while you're speaking, you evaporate probably as well, maybe it's the correct word, I don't
know, um, your, your voice is, is carrying some stuff, right? And so when you wear a mask then,
you will not carry it over to these other person. It will rather go leave your face on the side,
then in front of your mouth. There, it's really helpful. Maybe also in a supermarket where the
fruits are just everywhere around people, recovery, and breathe, and everything, and things get,
get more clean. However, when you are for more than an hour in the same room with people,
then I guess the good air condition is, in any case, always a good idea, no matter if somebody
is ill or not. And, um, yeah, but apart from that, do you want to continue your life of being afraid,
um, that you're going to die? I mean, you will die anyway, right? Well, that's kind of the
other side of that as well. One thing is like, do we want to wear masks for ever more? And yes,
to that is probably no, most of us are going to say no. I mean, in some Asian countries, they do
wear masks as part of their culture anyway, I believe, when, when they're ill, they will wear masks,
sort of thing, and so on. But in our kind of country, you're up in America as well,
you know, we're, you know, Western countries, most of us are going to probably be like, no,
I don't want to be wearing the mask. I'm having to wear masks for ever more, basically, just because
there might be viruses around and germs. And that was a thing of human incident a few times
as well, where some people went and said, like, oh, um, rule out spread cold before and flu and
things. So, why can't we do that with COVID or things? Why is COVID different?
That's what some people said on online, I've seen these comments. And, um, I think, I think,
well, the reason COVID was different, answering that question actually, I believe is because there
was no vaccine and it did kill a lot of people, potential and it could, but they're trying to treat
like a flu now, or starting to believe. Oh, they're trying to treat it like a flu right from the
beginning. Yeah, but like the governments are starting to kind of go that way now as well,
some of them, I think, but we're not there quite. And it potentially could be similar to the flu
if everybody were to get vaccinated, or everybody that didn't have a reason to not get vaccinated,
did they? We have it, that's kind of another debate now. I could go into where, basically,
people go, but if I get vaccinated, I can catch it anyway. So, what should I get vaccinated?
And it's likely to die from it if you're vaccinated. Well, well, yeah, but I'm trying to
go, I've had three, I've had three, I've had three, I've had three Pfizer jabs and 34.
And I, there was an AstraZeneca jab that they didn't, you cannot really do any more, but I decided
not to have that originally for some other reasons, but I've had three Pfizer jabs. The other
third one, Murray recently, most people have been vaccinated. On, I believe, on some of the
like sort of dating sites now, as well, they actually can, people can lie on it on their
obviously, but they can, it says, everything vaccinated, and you can put what you've,
what you've, if you've been fully vaccinated, part, vaccinated, or non-vaccinated. I've seen
that on something, but I do think most people are vaccinated in the UK. However, you
would power this quite a lot that aren't vaccinated as well, that's the thing.
What I think would be a nice thing to carry on in the future is to wear a mask when you feel,
when you feel not so well, and you don't know if something is, if you're becoming flu or
anything, if something is coming and you feel not so well and you wear a mask in order not to
accidentally infect any of your people around you. Yes, that's what I just said, like, well,
two minute-free minutes ago, I sort of basically said, they kind of do that in the age and countries,
I believe, and it has part of their culture anyway, but here in the Western countries, we,
we're a lot less than anyone to do that even, even if we're feeling a bit ill, we will
we do not want to wear masks, but some people will do it, but, and then you could, you know,
we could, you could go into another debate, and you could start saying things like that,
a lot of people are selfish and, and get into less, you know, but it's like in the debate,
everything is all opinion, isn't it? Self-ishening in which regard now, when wearing a mask because
of a flu, or... Well, yeah, one, the masks are subject, so it could be that they just,
even though they feel ill, they don't want to wear masks, even so, like, like you're saying,
it would be nice if maybe if people did wear masks because they know they're feeling a bit ill,
but certain people will maybe do anyway. Well, I was, I was just ill now over the last few days,
and, um, usually I have my nose out of the mask so that I can breathe, but then in this
situation, well, first of all, you stay at home as long as you can, but then when you have to
get some groceries or anything, you got to go into a shop, anywhere the mask is good as it gets,
I guess, to, to protect people around you. Now, this is, uh, this is a matter of, I have to say,
well, you're right, well, you're people think about others. Yeah, yeah, it's a bit like somebody
said to me, um, to the same woman who was linking those graphics about masks working, actually,
she's about uh, 60 something, anyway, she was saying to me, some of the other day on Facebook,
like, oh, um, um, people who are, like, wanting the pubs open at the moment, they're, they're,
they're like, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're,
they're, they're, they're being selfish, basically, because, because she meant it's because it's
still the virus going around, there's, I'm the corner, whatever, and in a way, that's, I can
see a point, but on the other hand, there's, like, in a way, people who are out now,
celebrating new years, going to pubs and nightclubs, you know, even if they've had their
lap full flow test to test, you know, you could sort of say, is that right? Should they be out
doing that, really? Um, you can go out and still be safe, like, 100% safe other than, you know,
locking yourself in your home, but um, if you, well, maintain distances, where a mask if you're
going to be close to someone, you know, get handed your drink, be wearing your mask then,
then take your mask off and have your drink. I have never seen a virus politicized the way this
one has been in the U.S., I really think it's ridiculous that people not wanting to get sick is
a political decision now, and that's just wrong. When we had this pants flew 100 years ago,
the government said everyone gets this vaccine now, and they took it, and nobody said anything
about it, and now all of a sudden, well, they can brag about how past Trump got the vaccines
to market, and they forget that he took it himself, and they're all going out and saying,
well, don't take that, that's that, he only people do that, and going, you know, like,
well, he even told people last year to get the vaccine. Yeah, but he followed it up with,
but it's everyone's choice. Yeah, but yeah, but it's not just a U.S., I'm the UK, right?
We've got Boris Johnson, if England and then there's a different, and then each other,
you can come to have their own, like, person and charge, but um, but it's basically every country
with the World Health Organization, and we've all got a slightly different version of lockdown
and restrictions, but we'll go and fruit the same thing, basically. My point is,
how did we allow this to become a political issue when it's their health issue?
That's a good question. In the U.S., that's a question. In the UK, we've actually got
been called the National Health Service anyway, which is our health system, and the health system is funded
by Guess Who, the government, or if you like the taxpayer. Well, so that's how a lot of our
nursing system is forced to get the vaccine. If they accept any government funding,
then they're considered to be government employees and they're required to get the vaccine,
which is why so many people recently quit nursing industry, and we're so short-handed.
They try to, I believe something they care organizations here, with especially old people care,
they're trying to sort of force the vaccine onto their employees,
basically you get jabbed or you'll, or you'll have this job. I don't know if anything's
actually going through properly like that, but I know I bet something and that's saying that.
Well, there's much more than one reason to quit being a health care worker in this country,
if you are being a health care worker, and you're being responsible, and you're wearing
your protective equipment, and you've got the vaccine, and you're getting screamed at by people
who are telling you that it's a hoax, and there's no such thing as this virus, and the vaccine
is just, and that's all they're going to take is the eye for a Macton. Well, fine, give them
more eye for Macton, the employees on themselves, you know? I mean, it's not a parasite, it's a virus.
Right, I said it should never have gotten politicized like this, and it's in the US,
it's the fault of the or in Julia's series that it was. If it's not police side, just a one
country, it's police side with all the countries that have the World Health Organization,
basically, Canada, UK, Europe, Germany, Bondian hand also has killed a few hundred thousand or more
people, so it's a bit of a... Yeah, we haven't even discussed the availability of the vaccine in
third world countries and that political snafu, but... Oh, oh, is that I just gone here about
24, half an hour, given early, but yeah, okay, that's that we can talk about that. So,
let's, I'll start with say something about that. So, in UK, we had the AstraZeneca, right?
Our own vaccine, which they kind of stopped using for, I believe, because of possible blood clots,
was one reasons, but... So, we've got a little Pfizer, we've got a little Pfizer, and we've got
there's a little bit of Moderna as well, but they were going to give out, they were going to give away
vaccine to the developing countries as well, and I believe they have not given many out
away at all, so far. Yeah, well, even the, what was it, AstraZeneca? I do remember hearing something
about the blood clots, but that was like very, very low numbers on the percentage of people that
ended up with blood clots, and it seemed like they pulled it a little bit early.
Well, the numbers on AstraZeneca were considerably higher than the same numbers on the other MRNA
vaccines. So, I don't know, maybe it's just a bad version of MRNA.
No, no, no, no, that AstraZeneca was, it's done a different way, like the old vaccines,
it's not, it's not like Pfizer and Moderna. So, it's not, I think, yes, done like the old ones, but
I think the part of the blood, a lot of the blood clots story actually came, was political as well
because the UK did a Brexit, left the European Union last year or the year before 2019, yeah,
2019's what I think, and that was what was to do with, I believe, as well, partly,
and so they came out with this story, which had some truth to it, I'm sure, but then it
also got politicized, and then Germany for a bit banned the vaccine, I believe, as well,
bad AstraZeneca vaccine, and I think maybe Switzerland did as well, not sure we've got
we have Switzerland, say, if he's still here, but some of the countries are being temporarily banned,
that AstraZeneca, I'm like, no, no, no, I mean, once to get AstraZeneca, unless you're
ready to die. Yeah, why do you say that? Because you have to, you have to dig maybe a little bit,
but the vaccine of AstraZeneca, what it is based for, and what it led to, and what it was,
what else was used from AstraZeneca, so it is kind of a copy of another one of an
existing vaccine they had, if I remember correctly, I'm just, I quote here what I have in my mind,
and then they, they just changed it in, in that way, or in that direction. But last but not least,
now, as you speak about the vaccine, as you think that everybody should get vaccinated,
and if everybody was vaccinated, they would be, the world would be a safe place.
I got my cold from my first and who is double, double vaccinated, including booster,
plus influenza, vaccine as well, and I am without vaccine, I'm not vaccinated.
Yeah, he gave it to me. I'm really grateful. Well, that's the thing as well, the vaccine,
you can still catch even if you're vaccinated. However, if you've been tripped, double,
triple vaccinated, there should be less of a problem. However, the thing now also is like,
hang on, some countries are talking about Germany, we're talking about a full vaccine, another,
another jab, a booster, another a full phone, and I'm thinking like, how many maximum
that boosters are going to be? For this is basically a six, seven, eight last night,
that's just a week, or last week, or the other days, and he sort of said these in his 60s,
and he sort of said, oh, maybe maybe six, six, jabs, and I was like, where do you?
You're probably going to be the yearly booster. Well, hopefully it's you.
Oh, it's every three to six months. And then one idea was that if you have a Pfizer booster,
that it doesn't last as long, maybe 10 weeks, deferble on that. Well, the MRA vaccines
were never approved for human trials because of all the problems with the animal testing,
because they tried to identify that. Yeah, yeah, they're almost all die after the MRA vaccine
about a six-month span of what they're vaccinated against or something else. I used to follow
that all the time, because it sounded like a great solution to immunizing everybody for everything,
but they never got a working. So we're in the middle of a two-year, largest human trial study
on MRA. That was, well, I've had, well, I didn't have any animal dying quite, but that's
saying it's kind of true. I did hear that before that in a way that these were, well,
I mean, you could have a emergency approved or something. I have that really means, but
they, yeah, I've heard that sort of experiment still. And with your following, with your
opinion. It falls into a human trial, so normally when they're testing drugs,
they'll have a small subset of healthy people that they test the drugs on over time,
small sets and they increase, so they're not doing that. It just went to billions of people.
Well, hopefully, it's going to be okay because a lot of us have had this now. And yeah.
Well, I've had all three of my shots and it's been more than six months, so I'm still here.
Oh, yeah, the same thing about free isn't what, but this, this year,
what gives me is how Moderna, this is the first drug of any kind that Moderna has had,
and they're keeps being more and more COVID. And the Moderna vaccine is effective against most of these
strains, but their stock price keeps dropping. You think it'd go up if it was a useful vaccine, you know?
All right, tonight, there's some a little bit of Moderna here as well. I think it's makes me
Pfizer. However, that's the other thing as well. You want to look at another point here that
that's what some people say as well. The, the, basically, it's big pharmacy. They make
lots of money from these vaccines as well. Yeah, somebody's making a lot of money from it.
It's not me. Did, did you get the, did you buy some stock from from Moderna? No,
let's just get the shot. I actually did buy a little bit of Moderna stock. I can't afford
much. It was like 1.3 shares or something like that. And then I had to sell it because it just kept
dropping. There was a, there was a story. I can't remember bang on that. But something, I think was
the, basically, one of guys who comes on TV with these updates were the prime minister here.
He had actually bought some shares in one of the vaccine companies or something like this because
this came out about about nine months ago. Something like that anyway. Yeah, my mother passed away
this past January, up COVID and in June or July, I guess July, I started actually getting a payout
from her estate, which was much larger than anyone believed it was going to be. And I only get 15
percent and they have to spread it out over five years. But for a change, I've had a little bit of
money that I could invest and I mean a little bit because my wife doesn't want me to even be doing
that she considers it gambling. So I'm getting, I was, first I was getting a hundred dollars a month
and now I'm at 200 and thanks to the app called Robinhood, I'm able to do that and not just be
spending all my money on broker fees and whatnot. Can you tell a little bit about that Robin Hood
app, how that works? I mean, I've heard about it and how I've, the thing about that hedge fall
made it to the news over here. But what is the idea? What is the philosophy of this
disrupting Hoot app? The philosophy is basically to let anybody, it has anything to invest to
invest it and they don't charge any fees. I do not know how they get their money, but it's not
from fees and it's they allow you to actually keep your money uninvested with them as if they were
a bank and they pay a little bit better interest than most banks these days, but that's not saying much.
But you just can pick your stocks and you can buy, you know, miniscule, you know,
hundreds of thousands of part portions of a share of whatever and right now I'm up to about
seven or eight hundred dollars worth of stock and that's not deadly, but you know, you can pick
whatever you want. I missed the beginning of the, why didn't I hear about Robinhood app because
probably didn't be on about half an hour, but that sounds quite interesting. Robinhood is also a
English thing really, or yeah, famous. Yeah, I want to find out more about that, but I
before I lose my forget money a little, a little point. Yes, there have been many characters
thought to have been Robinhood, there's all kinds of historical documentaries on that issue and they've
got them in various various different periods of time, but most commonly as the time while Richard
was off being King and Europe or being King of England, but in Europe,
any rate that the app is basically a way for you to invest your money without having to give up
fees of any kind or certainly most brokerages that you go to the laugh at you and you say you have
a hundred dollars to invest and they probably take most of that just in their fees, or as far as I
know, Robinhood app does not take any fees and I do not know how they make their money, but it's not
from that aspect of their investing. That's the reason for the reason for the reason for the reason.
The reason for the reason is the risk you take when you when you invest via Robinhood,
then you choose, I don't know, some standard banks or trading company with, I don't know,
known for 10, 15 years, whether what I know, and still risk higher.
No, the risk is the same. If you're going through a brokerage company, there's fees involved and
it's usually larger amounts of money that they want you to be working with.
Really, Robinhood is, it treats stocks and the market in similar ways to your crypto exchanges
do. Crypto exchanges lets you buy portions of even bitcoins or something like that and do
very small transactions and it's the same thing with Robinhood. Thank you. And it's not just stocks
you can buy you. There are also some mutual funds you can buy and there are also some crypto
currencies you can buy. And this is just around for what is it about two years or so?
Yeah, there's also been some heavy controversy with Robinhood, especially earlier in 2021
game drop. And then stopping trading on game stop because the value got so high and, you know,
supposedly it was because they were overloaded, but the thought was that it was market manipulation
and they were keeping the rich rich by preventing people from making money on that stock.
Yeah, rich people are allowed to market poor people are not. And then they were able,
we are ready to influence, so we are ready to be a Robinhood. They were able to influence the market.
Right, it was ready, it was some editors that kind of reached the market there and
they did legal market manipulation. You know, they basically just talked people into purchasing
game stop stock and push the price up and increase the value value of it. But it wasn't necessarily
specifically Robinhood that they were aiming at. They were aiming across the market. They just wanted
people to buy this stock. So they created buzz about it. I do want it say said that I do
not own any game stop. I have decided to start investing according to the stupidity of the market
rather than just the things I'd like to see succeed in the market. So I'm going to start buying
Facebook and Google and all these stocks that will never go down because people were too stupid
not to buy them. Actually listening to Jamie Oliver when he was talking about the game stop
the debacle and now the funny thing I think was that the market people actually shorted the
game stock stock a lot. So they thought that the game stock was on the way out and when the
grossing value they lost so much money which was really fun. Yeah, which is why places like Robinhood
stopped trading. Well, they only stopped for a short while. They opened it back up again because they
came under criticism and was stopping it. Hello, by the way, from 2022 in Sweden, very foggy
today. So we didn't see any fireworks but it was really nice. Glad to hear it. I have a friend in Sweden.
It's a large country. There's a lot of people here. Well, yeah, it's not like I was reading about
Guyana and the only English-speaking country in South America although more people speak a sort of
English-credible than the actual English but whole whopping 800,000 people. I knew straight away
that there was a Swedish person coming on there because I'm off Swedish as well and I put
you spoke to this but I put you spoke to call us about two years ago. I'm not sure but either way
so yeah. Do you know what you have? Yeah, top half bottom half. One side or the other?
Well, true. You kind of, what do you say half? Well, actually, I could say I'm caught a
finish or whatever that is as well because I've got really well second cousins are finished as
well. But I know what you mean. I don't know. I don't know which half. No, I don't. I didn't
to be funny at times. But I think Sebastian is a pretty common Swedish name and Klaus
Profare is a very common Swedish brand of the flakes or frosted flakes that are eaten the
morning. So if you're from Sweden, you're pretty much in over the brand. I'm half Swedish. I've
lived in England most in my life but yes, I can speak Swedish as well. Death y'all can. Yep.
My one friend in Sweden is named Carl Johan Norran. I don't know if he's famous or anything but
dyno in. He's famous because you know him. Well, he is a songwriter and has actually made several
trips to the U.S. because of that. I think Norran is a pretty common name or a pretty known name
in the music industry. We have a couple of those that actually are producing a lot of music. But I
didn't. I can't really put point that person out in a crowd. Well, away from in Sweden.
Well, by do we spare? Yeah. I'm from Gothenburg or the Kunkspakka. So three,
three miles is so hard because it's not really a mile. But it's 30 kilometers or 35 kilometers
in Gothenburg. That was a Kunkspakka school. There's an X1 Swedish Linux event that's been happening
in Gothenburg. But you know what I mean? Yeah. Do I think we had Foss in the world thing?
Yeah, yeah, Foss in the Foss in the Foss in the Foss in the Foss in the Foss in the Foss.
Yeah, it was there in 20, 20, eight or so was something like that and it was helping out a bit.
So I got to go in for free. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. I remember having two. I remember
I was going to go maybe for about it and then I didn't go in there. But then I had to go to
wind up in that airport another year like the opposite side of the country pretty much where
we were actually going because of missing a plane and having to drive from there to the hand because
Sweden is big. It's quite a big country. It's with a lot of kind of empty, not much going on
space is a spiritual farmland and stuff and forest in between. But it's actually been through
the United States. There's a whole lot more rural U.S than anyone thinks of. Yeah, but it's Swedish.
Sweden is very long. That's the only thing. It's not really wide. It's just very tall.
Yeah, yeah. It's tall in the map as well. It looks tall in the map as well.
They're the normal map. That's the fault of a Mercator projection. They make things
north look bigger than they are. Yeah, but I think you can't or you need to spend the whole day
24 hours if you want to drive from south and north of Sweden. Let's see. So Gothamburg to no
shipping. Quite a driver. Yeah, I actually went on a train from Gothamburg to Wormring which is
Kiruna, very far up north and I settled a train for 17 hours. Well, we're going to
catch out Katrina home now. No, only near Kiruna. All right, okay. It's been pretty much in the
farthest north of Sweden. It's almost in. Yeah, it's farther than that. But it actually
air. The most northern part of Sweden is called it's a place where the three countries meet.
You have Finland, Sweden and Norway. Yeah, yeah. Meeting at the top. And I think that Kiruna is
pretty much a couple of, let's say, 100 kilometers from there or something like that.
There was a place in, oh, some were up in Lapland and I was went to a club for public speaking
there and it was a good buzz. Very international because it's on zoom. It was like, well,
that's dancing very Swedish. But some were up in Lapland otherwise. I can't remember what's
about. Little Leia, that's it, been go. Have you heard of that place? Things called Elite Leia.
Leia? Yes, probably what's called net. Yeah, so that is pretty far up. But do we have one
place called Umi or which is even further up? And Kiruna is pretty much even further than that.
What else is Umi? Umi, yeah. The yellow somebody on project that you've been
all with a bit who was from there. So yeah, best choice. Very long. It's not really, yeah,
it's probably not really wide as such. It's just very long. It goes up and down Sweden and it's a
long country. Yeah, and to the south, you have the pretty much scorn with Denmark and so on and there
it's very hot in some of the time. And up north, you have installations from Facebook and Google
to keep and cold during both the winter and summer times because it's really cold in more.
Oh, school, yeah, that's nice. Used to go there all through there sometimes and we would
go over as a growing up and stuff. But obviously, that's been many years now. But yeah, that
Denmark also, that's kind of from what I remember, it's got like sort of beach down the side of
the country as you drive them through whatever you're going for a car and it seems like a nice
country as well, doesn't it? And that pretty nice, very flat. And then you have all the Danish people.
I have a real problem to really understand Danish people. It sounds like they have oatmeal in
their throat when they're speaking through the heart of the standard. It's probably not as bad
as Finnish, though, because Finnish when they speak Finnish. Yeah, Finnish is a totally different beast.
They don't have any vowels in their language. And the wager is, I don't know, I mean, it can
be somewhat Swedish as well as ink. And the wager is pretty much happy Swedish. So they have a
couple of other words, but they're very similar. So understanding that Norwegian that talks slowly
is pretty easy. Yeah, I'm not being, I think it's been to Norway, very as a baby, maybe, or just,
but no, I speak to everybody nice over there as well. Have a very nice countryside. So I've actually
been thinking about going into their fjords. So you go by boats across the border of the Norway.
So there's a trip going all the way there. And it's really nice, really nice atmosphere and really
nice weather and stuff. That was that way you can go by boats through the border of the, the countryside
of Norway. So you can go from south to north to north. Is that Neil's low or not? I think
Oslo has some harder, or if it's pretty much, but I think that's to the south. And then you go
from there or even south, more south. And then you go by the coastline with boats. It's a very nice trip.
So that's one thing I've been thinking about doing sometime. Yeah, yeah, especially in a nice place
in the summer as well, didn't you? Because in the wind's out, it's probably going to be
not very nice now. Nope. I've been skiing in Norway a couple of times, and that's pretty
nice, but not going there and just being. Yeah, well, I think it's not speak. Yeah, I was just
pop on, say, happy New Year to everybody. Has there been any issues with the mumble server? Has
there been behaving itself? No problems with the mumble server then? I haven't heard anything,
but then again, I just arrived. I spent my New Year's, again, Sweden, just recently.
But so you have the New Year's in ten minutes or so? Have you already had it?
Already had it for just to walk back, we did a set of low to the neighbors, and we're just
heading off to bed. Nice. Hey, Ken, what's going on? Very little. It's late. I'm tired. I'm going to bed.
I'll be back on here tomorrow, so I expect to, with the Saturday, it'll be the after show,
might be as long as the show itself. I've verbaled. Man, it's been a while. Yeah, it has.
It's great to hear from you. How are you keeping? I was Mrs. Verbal.
I'm well, thanks. How are you? I'm doing great. I'm doing great. All the better for here and
you're okay. You should stay in touch. It's a bit of a few shows, like you hear what's going on.
Okay, we'll have to do that. Okay, oh, you're coming on, say well. Yeah.
So it's to my daughter. All I know, uh, switch audio once I can. Okay, say a little to everyone.
Happy New Year. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. Happy New Year.
Okay. Thank you. Okay, good. Happy New Year. Happy New Year.
Happy New Year. Happy New Year. Happy New Year in the moment. All right, guys. Talk to you later.
Okay, we still have five hours and nine minutes here. Very good. Very good.
So do you have any activities going up to the New Year or are you just staying here?
Who? Him or me or anybody? Yeah, anybody? We were sitting down watching some kind of lotter,
but it's pretty common in Sweden to have life in an event where you watch a television show
that goes on until the end of the year. Yeah, same here. So we've got, um,
to Graham Norton show on, new year special. Graham Norton has, does a Friday night show every
night again. It can sometimes be funny, kind of, and they do celebrities and stuff. And that
aren't very beginning before I, um, came on, etc. And I was just, you know, feeling mumble.
And now it's still on, but without any sound on, I'm thinking like, yeah, you know what?
That's fine with me, because I didn't want to hear this guy singing on TV. I really don't.
I really really really don't. And in about five minutes or so, that will finish and it will be
big Ben that I'll mean I'll watch that. It'll be the fireworks. Well, they're not the normal fireworks
and then, because that got cancelled. And, and then the other one got cancelled as well. And this is
going to be something smaller somewhere. And as a member, I'm not doing their normal thing either.
I've been scottling that's what I had. Who are just going to blow them all up in a part of your
board of hosts? Yeah, I've been if you've seen that story, there was a Christmas party, apparently last year,
when the country, it was in lockdown and he wasn't part of it, but people who worked for him,
what him were part of it. And it's been a leaked out recently, the story. I don't know if you
may be seen it. Oh, it didn't actually get ran all over the place. Yeah, go out onto the internet and
yeah, they know about an American now as well, it turns out. And you're proud as fast now, those.
But yeah, some of the people they put on TV, like music, it's like, I don't want to hear this guy
singing. I could put the volume up, which I'm not going to do. I just know, like, no, I just have no interest.
Well, we don't have Trump to laugh at so much anymore, so we have to switch to Boris.
But we're saying Biden's best sir, or, yeah, Biden's kind of boring. Everybody's creepy
uncle is about as far as you go with him. Yeah, like Trump is still there, but he's not,
obviously not present anymore. So yeah, well, the fact that he supposedly has a media empire,
or at least his media empire that doesn't exist yet has $1.2 billion to invest
from Shell companies who's funding all comes from China. It's about all you can talk about with
Trump, because he doesn't have Twitter access anymore. He doesn't have any real access to the media anymore.
Yeah, well, say what you want about Trump, but every day was kind of funny.
Except for being scared out of your wits. Yeah, some days it was really scary, some days it was really weird,
and some days it was really funny. But it always there had was something that was happening.
Well, then again, I watched Stephen Colbert, so I followed the America from a funny
projection. Oh, I mean, and you, in UK, they, uh, obviously,
made, had a bit of a laugh apparel as well. On the TV and things as well, BBC and all that, yeah.
I have a friend in Winnipeg who offered us couch space if we really needed it, and it didn't
quite get that bad. And then, uh, a friend who is in this room right now is, uh, it kind of offered
me his way through the home in Iowa, in case I just wanted to hide out and still be in the U.S.
I think I hear a few fireworks, but they, if so, they are like three, four, five minutes earlier,
think. Yeah, they started that, like six o'clock over here, something like that.
Oh, you know what, I can beat that, I think, because I think about 24 hours ago, yeah,
24 hours ago, yeah, about, I've declared fireworks outside, and because I remember a mess
of someone in Facebook, like, I was like, I've been in fireworks all day, well, uh,
that's like 24 hours early. Yeah, I hear in Kung's Bucket, the children were actually,
or, yeah, kids were running up to the police station, throwing fireworks into their yard.
Well, they didn't realize that they had a lot of cameras over there, so the police had,
had a lot of fun trying to track those kids out of them.
There was a video, uh, some shopping, um, Asia, I think, some, I can't remember. I was one
ask all the other day, one night, and it was basically it said that somebody were on the sun,
probably the UK thing, anyway, uh, on the website, but anyway, there was a, there was a video
of the clip of somebody doing their shopping, and there were loads of fireworks and crackers,
and I think party crackers may be as well going off in the, in the shop at the same time,
and it says, like, well, they really want to finish their shopping. So,
I'm very surprised we haven't heard anywhere I live, because these people are fireworks, nuts.
Anything that goes boom there for, but we heard a lot around, uh, you know, early July, yeah,
we haven't heard anything yet, uh, I haven't heard anything yet either, but I expect the booming
to start anytime now. Okay. Well, I'm an hour ahead of you, so we should get it first.
But isn't it illegal in some states to fire in fireworks?
Has it stopped in American?
Not actually. Probably not. I mean, literally, you could probably, well,
you could legally, as long as you were out in the middle of nowhere, I guess, fire a cannon.
The thing is, right? Okay, the fireworks going off outside, um, and I always go,
I see it's constrained to New Year's thing now, that makes sense. But I was, well, one minute
to go, less than one minute, I bet, yeah, I'm going to watch this. Hang on.
We actually had a lot of fireworks going on around us, because we are living at the top of
amount of pretty much here in Cooksburg. It's not the high amount, and that's still pretty
out of far up. So we shouldn't have seen a lot if it wasn't for the fog, and people are shooting
a lot up here as well, because it's very visible. But then, somebody was shooting this quite heavy piece,
which was almost half a meter in half a meter in diameter or something like that, and that
caught fires. We're actually going out hunting for some way to, uh, drench it, so it didn't, uh,
burned longer, because the people that shot it just left, which was really strange as well.
Yeah, we're not as bad as Texas here in eastern Tennessee, but we'll shoot anything in anybody.
I think most weapons are illegal in Sweden would be nice. Basically, no weapon is illegal in
Texas, and you really carry it anywhere. And if you don't own one, you're probably not going to
get your own, if you're a male over the age of 18, and you don't own a shotgun, you're technically
breaking the wall. I think there was somewhere where it was illegal to shoot a gun that's just
was blank, but you could own a shotgun. Could that be Texas? Um, Texas, you can basically own any gun
and open carry any gun without a license. If you're white. Well, you can do it if you're black,
too, you know, statistical probability. Yeah, you're not going to live long. You can do it,
but yes, we do still have serious racial problems in the United States. Yeah.
Actually, still have serious racial problems in Canada, but at least they're trying to deal with
them there. But that was mostly historical though that they were trying to deal with. Well,
they definitely have problems with the indigenous population, but they are working on that
very hard. They are doing scans of the ground to see how many unmarked graves they can find
near the residential schools. They have actually named an indigenous person as governor general
and she's doing quite a nice job up there, but they also have a number of problems with blacks
and various types of Muslims and Hindus and whatnot. You can still get shot out for being a
Sikh as being a Muslim. They don't know the difference anymore up there than they do down here.
It's pretty strange for me to hear these kind of stories because the most strange thing I hear about
is my wife is working at the hospital and she is actually actively want the longer it's working
with people that are migrating to Sweden and trying to inform them that yes, you have free health
care and yes, you should visit the doctor if you need it. So most people that cross the board
don't have any health history at all and that's a real problem for Swedish, the Sweden population.
All right, now we're having serious problems, especially in taxes about women who feel they should
not need to carry a birth to term that the common perception of the American public is that
Jesus himself said that was y'all not having abortion. Well, y'all said kill all the first born in Egypt,
so. Well, that wasn't Jesus. That was his dad. That was God. Of course, most Christian
believe they are one in the same person. Exactly, the Trinity. But that never made sense to me,
but no, I am not a Christian. Don't please don't stone me. That's why I'm on electronically.
If something doesn't make sense, I don't believe it. I don't care how many billions of people do.
Yeah, we all have our opinions and some of them are good. All minor good. What do you mean?
Yeah, I'm usually in the favor of everybody has their own right, their own body and can do whatever
they want with their body. It's rather disturbing that people think that they can
dictate to other people what that person can and can't do with their own body.
The fireworks just started here, so I am no longer without booms in the distance. Actually,
they're right outside my trailer. Branted, since they couldn't, you know, mandate it legally here
in Texas, they mandated it civilly by allowing you to sue if, you know,
yeah, in London, $10,000 plus court costs. If you win. And that's even if you just were the
Uber driver that dropped them off at the abortion clinic. It's almost turning, you know,
sewing people into big business, find out somebody got an abortion, and you sue the doctor,
you sue the nurses, you sue the person that got the abortion, you sue the Uber driver,
you sue the doctor. If you can't sue somebody, you're not an American.
But then again, lawyers don't have great wages, so we need to prop those up of it. Have you ever
had to pay a lawyer? Yeah, those dudes make money. Oh, yeah, even the ambulance,
chasers make money. Yeah, I was kidding. Not quite the same amount of money as someone running a
negative, but still. The most interesting ones, those locked cases are the ones where you have
a bunch of tentative people that are suing somebody, and they get to like one transaction,
and class action, you know, those are really weird ones. Well, yeah, but even when you win that,
the lawyer gets most of the money. Yeah, and with the class action lawsuit, it's not usually about,
you know, making money. It's about making someone stop doing horrible things. Yeah,
but the most interesting community, then you showed at least give that community some money back,
and not like $5. Yeah, I agree with you. I think it was some case about fracking or something
like that, the people got really sick, and then they got like $5. Thank you. A lot of
pharmaceutical companies, you know, they get sued, and then they have to make a payout that, you know,
a billion dollars, and they simply don't care because they made $30 billion dollars,
filling off all these people. Yeah, and you're not appropriate. The opioid thing where the
family that made all that money, the settlers, tried to get themselves excuse for many
future lawsuits. Oh, well, give you $4.5 billion, and we'll run off with this other 20 that we
already siphoned off of the company, and you can't sue us anymore. Well, the courts decided to
turn them out on that one, violently. Yeah, I still can't really hear about the sectors without
thinking about the, I don't know what the, or the guys called, but it's the famous, the famous
actor that reenacted this dude from the sectors that just in the court case said, I don't know,
to every question, and then I had the famous actor reenact that, and it was so good.
It was an SNL skit, wasn't it? Yeah, something like that, or if it was a steve of
covariance, because yeah, I watch a lot of that. But maybe it was covariance, because I do remember
seeing it, but I can't remember where I watched it. It was covariance. Well, I only watched bits of
covariance on YouTube, but he doesn't good stuff. I think it's amazing how he is kept on top of
things, and John Stewart seems to be falling more and more conservative every year. Kind of hard
for a gay Jewish guy to start turning conservative. Everybody can change, I guess. Well, I guess
at my age, I'm supposed to be a died in the wall right winger, but I never got the hang of that.
Then again, I think most of the person is pretty much the writers that makes it up, but
because yeah, so some of the things that seabed covariance says, it's like, I don't really
commit to this one, because this was one of my writers who are actually writing about it.
Well, that was more in his past life on the Colbert report that he made it very clear that
he was not a conservative, but he was playing one. All right, I'll be back. I got to go cook some
food for the kids. You're going to cook the kids for food? It might happen.
That's a cannibal if I ever heard one. I'm trying too hard, I know.
Yeah, everybody's sleeping here, so I'm buying myself. I'm trying to get down so I can actually go to sleep,
but I went up really early this morning and tried to solve this on the cold. Do you think
that was really heartbreaking that things got as bad as they got, and then that have been tied
all day, but I haven't been able to sleep. So yeah, then they're hard, but the most irritating part
was that I found the problem yesterday, or yeah, yesterday at 13 am, and then I went to sleep because
I was too tired to actually fix it. And if I had done something back then, then the problem hadn't
been that bad. Aha, yeah, can't seem particularly familiar with that exact situation, but I
have had occasions where if I'd done something at the moment where it should have done it,
I wouldn't have as much trouble as I did when I actually did it. Yeah, and then this was a pretty
simple case. The hard drive was full in the night, so nothing came in. And then in the morning,
it was still full and nothing had come in. So then we just had to clean up stuff and actually get
everything in and up and running again. And a lot of some words of that. Yeah, I understood that a bit
yeah, somebody interrupted also. That interrupted using dad sets up right now, not really used to it.
Yeah, we spoke last year, right? Yeah, might have. Yeah. I think the topic that year was pretty much
the most scariest creatures in different countries. Can't remember. I had to find a list of things
that could kill you in Sweden. Oh, yeah. It wasn't that long. I remember something long those lines.
Yeah, I was pretty tired. I remember coming in people being like, why are you still up?
And then I remember talking for a very long time. And then I remember it being 10 in the morning
and the sun being out and stuff. And just a couple things in between. It's like, I even during
the talking, I could hardly, well, I could, but I had trouble keeping track of everything that was
being said. Wasn't there an Norwegian guy here as well? Well, I haven't heard from him all here,
so I haven't seen him today. I don't know. Was it? I remember one name KDG, but yeah, I
want. Yeah, I remember two names after the thing, but I forgot one might have just been you.
Yes, I mean, it was an Norwegian guy that had a three-letter abbreviation. KDG. I remember KDG too.
I remember like first there was someone and then like, I know, kind of remember specifically.
But yeah, Mike sold away off in the corner. I'm used to having like Mike connected to my,
my ear, ear, ear, what's it called? Earphones. The things that cover your ear had with it.
Yeah, headset. Yeah. The cool game I headset basically would like. That's what I have for
playing D&D. So I'm used to that. That's all the way up in the attic. So if I would actually use that
nobody would be able to sleep, everyone would be really angry with me because then they can sleep.
Because even now it's like quarter past one. And we've just basically come back from a long, nice.
Well, not too long. Just a little walk around around the, um, basically you're just around the area.
Trying to have a look at all the fireworks and stuff. Yeah, we walked out to our, uh,
where it's called playground outside here. And it's about 60 meters or so from here. It's a very close.
And from there, you have a view all over Cooke's back. I said it because we are living pretty much
on the mountain. The problem was today there was very foggy. So you didn't see anything. I couldn't really
see fireworks that were shot more than 10 meters from it or something like that. Wow.
Was it natural fog or firework fog? Is it natural? Yeah, we have just firework fog right now.
It's actually perfect weather for a firework. It's, uh, it's dry. I can't remember if it was too
windy, but not really that windy. Um, and not foggy at all. The problem is there are no mountains
in the Netherlands. Well, there's one in the summer we went to a place a far, far away place called
limber where they have actual mountains and the people talk a bit weird and like they have the
tallest part of the Netherlands tallest, um, tallest like, um, natural part is like a couple meters away
from the border between both Germany and Belgium. And like it's on the same hill too. There's
like the highest points, which is like man-made building. Just yeah, and that's added for
twice as to highest point. And that's on the same hill. Like there's only one actually tall hill.
And that's like three on, I remember like the, the archfish warming 350 something meters up.
And then, and a natural one, uh, 320 meters something up, uh, from like sea level. So yeah, not too high.
I think we are about 100 or 200 meters up from the surrounding. I don't know how far it is from the
sea level. Yeah, and that wasn't from the surrounding. That's sea level. Because, um,
yeah, Netherlands is pretty flat, except well, that one part. But that one part is like, it's the
most southern, like, bit. It's like a little, like you've got the Netherlands and then you've got
this little, like, southern blob, like, in also far, like far away from the sea and like down south
and it's like, um, yet. No, it's like, uh, it's basically just far in country, which pretends to be
the Netherlands. I was there and I was like, this isn't the Netherlands. This is our land.
We're, we're in Ireland. They're just pretending to be Dutch, because I know. But apparently,
it was part of the Netherlands. Who knew? I know, we'll look like it here. Bye. Hello.
Hello. Happy new year. Happy new year. Happy new year. Happy new year.
If it's the highest point in the Netherlands, then it'll be the upperlands of the
very funny. Yeah, kind of is. I, I basically was the tallest person in the Netherlands, then
because I was like the tallest person standing on that platform and we all know the, and we all know
yeah, we all know the rules of being the, um, the tallest person in the room. If you stand on
something that's okay. If you jump, that's a whole different matter. So the people in the
airplanes don't count. They're just jumping. They're just jumping for really, really long. But I counted,
because I was standing on something, which was on the ground. So that counts. Okay. It's good to have
clear definition. Yes. Yes. You weren't playing basketball, right? Um, no, not basketball, no.
I have a feeling if we were, I would probably drop the ball off the thing, and then it would
roll all the way down the hill, which, well, we called me basically called mountain,
because it's so tall, but in any other country, it would just be called a hill. And it would roll
all the way down, and then we, then we wouldn't find it. Yeah, I'm usually the tallest in the
room, because I'm 6, 6, or 6, or 7, or 2 meters. Two meters, yeah. I'm, like, uh, well, I don't,
I know, uh, I'm around as big as my father. I'm, like, um, 190 somewhere in between, like,
can't remember exactly, like, 194 or something, um, or like, around 190, or maybe I was like,
well, there were different measurements taken with different actresses all saying, like,
different things. So there was, like, I think 180, something 190, something, one 92, one 94,
that kind of stuff. So I've got something saying on, on my, uh, past version of stuff,
for my ID, and then I've got an actual measurement somewhere else. So yeah, it's, it's, uh, yeah.
I'm around 1.80 myself. So I was rounding up, because I'm, I'm, I'm, 98 in the more, in the
morning, and I'm 96 in the evening, because you're, yeah, shrink. Yeah. Yeah, that's also something
I might have also been the time of day, or how long I was wearing my brace, because that's also,
uh, that also affects it. I was not aware that male shrinkage was the topic.
Well, it happens to everyone if you, if you stand, or during the day, you generally stand a bit more,
and when you're standing, well, then you kind of shrink, then the cartilage in between the
bones shrinks. And when me, there's also the added effects of that I have, um, show them on, uh,
sickness, sickness, things. So, um, I've been in my back, and, um, depending on how long I've
had my brace, of which keeps me upright, um, that depends on basically, uh, I'll be tired,
and then I'll, um, then I'm more likely to, uh, not stand straight, or yeah.
But I'm really trying to illustrate, so yeah. What do you say?
Is it ever seen sign-filled? No. Yeah, you're just talking about shrinkage.
Uh, you were talking about getting shorter. He was talking about a male genitalia.
Uh, uh, uh, uh, so you're obsessed with someone's really angry, because he, he does didn't know
about main shrinkage. He was called bad time. True. True.
Yeah, I have a spine curvature, too. Um, it's not extremely pronounced without hurts anyhow.
I must say that I, um, not the most, um, I'm not very specialized in mill genitalia. So,
even though I have one, I don't know everything about it. I just know how generally works. So, yeah,
might not follow. You need to study something like that. Yeah, probably need to.
You know, the last couple, last while of, uh, I've been, um, I've just watched some stuff,
which I thought, well, everyone seems to have seen it, so then I'll see it.
And then, what do you, nobody, I know has seen it. Like, I think everyone has seen it, and nobody
has. Don't matter stuff like Marvel or something, which entire Marvel MCU thing in the summer.
I think you're a sign for this huge amount of age group. So, uh, I was watching
sign for a long TV5 or something as we don't, and they were actually sending all the episodes
in a moratorium. So, I think they ran the whole week and 100 episodes of it. And when you had watched
a couple of hours, it was really hurtful because you had stomach aches, or I'm because you were
laughing not just because it was, yeah, it's not really, really super funny, but it was a little
funny, but when you are tired, something that is little funny is very funny. Yep, yep, can I agree?
Yeah. Well, it also kind of depends on the thing too. Like, yeah, I think from what I've heard about
sign felids, I think it's supposed to do that. Like, some things are just supposed to have you
like breathing air out of your nose just a bit, but I think that's supposed to when you're tired
to make you, um, you're supposed to watch it when you're tired and then laugh a lot. I think, right?
Similar to something like a big bang theory. I've seen that. So big bang theory? Yeah, more than last.
What? Good. So big bang theory is better when you're tired? Well, things so, right? When you're
tired, you had a long day, you're tired, you come back home, like maybe you've got your friends,
a couple friends and you all like that kind of stuff and then you'll watch it and then you're more
likely to laugh at the jokes, then you're when you're alone in the morning and you just woke up
or like, it's new. This stuff. True. But the major differences between, you know, like big bang
theory and sign felt is that sign felt was literally a show about nothing. It's actually branded
as a show. Well, nothing. And I haven't even known that because I haven't watched sign felt,
but that just strengthens my case that, that, that it's probably, I don't know, more likely to
make you laugh, let's make you laugh like that in that specific way because a show about nothing
seems very funny when you're tired. I know this because I'm tired right now and that seems very funny.
And then big bang theory is like, it's always nice to be crying very much for nerd nerds. Yeah,
I thought it was a little too thorny nerdy for me. Yeah. Well, they actually have a bunch of geniuses
on there. I think Snell thing has been trying to say something here. I'm muted. Oh, no, I wasn't trying.
I'm still playing around. I was worried it might be echo. Hello, I'm Shelby. I was told about this
from a guy named Robert Neale and he said there was like a virtual New Year's party full of
Linux people. Yeah. And I was like cool. That's awesome. Yeah, I got it. Yeah, I got it.
So I'm more related to the Linux people. I'm not the Linux person myself. I know. I know. I
feel that everyone is standing in the world. But are you really not a person? Well,
I'm not a computer person. I use the Linux. Excessively that's because all the people
you know, I can't just over the Linux people. What? Am I echoing? There you go. Yeah, hard.
I've got pushed to talk. I just thought some nails. It was echoing. I think it was like,
I do Shelby's younger than I remember. Yeah, I also saw it through a couple of people,
but I also made sure to meet myself when I'm not talking just to be safe. I do have the
idea of a setup that like sometimes it echoes and sometimes it doesn't. It almost seems to
I wish I understood this audio stuff. I'm also trying to use this on elementary OS. So
Do you have a headset? Unused. Yeah, but I'm not sure if they're good or have audio. You don't need
is the microphone on the headset. You just need to use the earpieces. Yeah, that's the only thing I
need to know. In the end, do we have that problem? Concentrate because we'll see you soon. I think every
time more than one microphone has opened. We're getting an echo, especially if one of the
people has speakers. Yes. Yeah, if you don't use both a headset and if you don't have a headset
on is basically the problem because then it's basically where your mic on is on. It records
the sound of being out for it. So you have an echo. That's basically. I think the only Linux nerd
here is probably Moss. I'm a Linux nerd. Yeah. Oh, wow. I've graduated. Yeah, you're a
district hopping Linux nerd. But I barely know my way around a terminal. Yeah, and I know it's a terminal. Really
well. So I don't, I don't, I still don't think I qualify as like a Linux nerd. Yeah, I do. You
sing a lot of work. So I have the old Linux computers at work and use Linux for live work
station network. The problem is when those you can play games and it's pretty much easier on
Windows. And I will see you as premier a lot. But I was actually planning to switch over to
Linux this little week vacation we got now between New Year's and Christmas. But yeah, I didn't have
the funds to buy a new hardware for that. Well, think about me and Moss will help verify this. All
my computers run Linux and my hobbies include Linux podcasting and putting Linux on various tablets
and seeing how well it works. And also 3D printing and also fixing just about anything that's
the least-built electronics. Yeah. Wait, so Linux on is this better? Yeah, it's better.
Oh, so you said Linux on tablets? Yeah. How does that work? It works pretty well on Windows tablets
while depending on the age of the Windows tablet. Okay, so what, sorry, what OS are you putting on?
Whichever, I've had everything from ARCH to Linux Mint to, yeah, Fedora, Fedora actually works really
well. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, I like Fedora, but I'm trying to figure out what to use it for.
Um, how do you, do you have like a keyboard attached to the tablet? Yeah. Well, most of your
modern Windows tablets have a USB port on the side or they have a detachable keyboard of some kind.
Oh, that's good to know. Even if it's a soft one. I started out doing
on ACES transformers, um, getting Windows put on there and that was the hardest thing with those
was the bootloader because it was a 32-bit bootloader, but a 64-bit processor. So yeah, to kind of dance
around to get it to boot the first time and then reinstall a grub and then everything would work just
fine like a normal computer would and some audio issues with those, but then I moved on from the
transformers to the Dell's and Dell's make it easy. Well, other than the venue eight. It's
good to know. Has anyone heard this magic man? And then you want to put like Fedora on like a
Chromebook or something. I really want to get like one of those like little Chromebooks and just like
wipe it like Fedora because that was Chromebooks or cheaper than like a grocery bill now. Yeah, with the
Chromebooks, um, you have to do some research, but like since the beginning of, um, Chromebooks,
the very first one, people have been finding various ways to just install Linux on them,
they get rid of Chrome OS and install Linux on them. And it's worked better with some than others,
but most of them you can do it or at the very least, um, force run, um, Linux applications on it.
What I do with what it comes out with is what I do more than that is actually just by use
computers because, uh, you've been get a computer that cost $1,200 new, usually for two or $300
if it's, uh, four or five years old and it still works just as well and you put Linux on it and you
don't even notice it's an old computer. I do the same thing with tablets. I mean, the Dell venue 11
install a decent tablet that you can get for around $100 mark, um, depending on the model, the
71, 30 and the 71, 40 is really the only one that goes for it. But then, um, you know, the
latitude, uh, 38, 95. So, uh, something. Sorry. Uh, I was asking if you can mute yourself.
You hear your keyboard. I'm sorry about that. Sorry. I'm still going to use to this.
I'm worse. A bunch of the, um, Dell latitude ones are actually, you know, in the $200 to $400 range
if you can find them used. And then I also like getting them, um, broken and then fixing them
because you can get them cheaper when they're broken. Um, that is if you want, uh, some kind of a
laptop. Uh, I actually have a cluster of very sheet old, uh, this got the computer, those kinds
that you buy for companies and put on the back of, uh, your screen pretty much. And then I
cluster those up on your system. Yeah, I'm trying to, I'm sorry. I was going to say, I'm trying
to get my friend to join. He actually, he's bought a lot of computers. Like he has more stories
of basically buying like really cheap computers out of necessity. He's never had a whole lot of money
and putting stuff on him and he has, he's kind of sort of learned everything a hard way.
You do have to be careful that with buying new computers because he bought, I think he bought a
MacBook that someone spilled coffee on he knew that. But I think you might have tied him on
he put it into it. It almost wouldn't have just been easier to buy a full price one. So you have
sort of careful. That is the chance to take and it's worth working. It's worth working. It's worth
yeah. I have a MacBook, which, uh, not MacBook, a Chromebook, um, which works perfectly fine.
Uh, it works perfectly fine with my standards, which is like a billion tabs open at the same time.
Um, which is pretty well. Um, but it's completely smashed basically. It used to have touch screen
now just has it around edges. That isn't a problem. I didn't use that anyway. Um, but basically
what happened to it is I was on my bike twice electric bike and, um, I crash twice twice. The computer
had more, uh, more cracks in it than before. So, um, yeah. Well, have you looked into how much, um,
it would cost to buy a replacement screen? Well, it's not really worth it. Like it works perfectly fine.
And yeah, I've had, I've had that now for like more than a year. And I haven't had any problems with it.
The only problems there are is when I have to make a touch screen. What?
Wouldn't it be fun to replace the screen? Fun. This is a phone. Fun. Things everything that has to do
is a battery. And I, uh, is fun. Worst screw joining your fingers is fun. I admire the
ambition. Yeah, but actually, if you're doing this, then as well, you're soldering. You're doing it wrong.
Exactly. That's what I experienced. I sold 10 lots of 10 broken headphones to fix them and give them
$20, $50. Yeah, I said, Moss headphones. Yeah, I need to send those back too. I've got a box
full of stuff to send you. And I just never get to the post office with it. If you spend a lot of
time with a computer repair or anything like that, then you learn something. And that is a valuable
skill. Absolutely. Monitoring is a message to joined. Hello. So, I meant to ask, where you guys go to buy
these old computers, eBay, Craigslist, my phone. They make marketplace. Yes, old the above.
Yes. But honestly, I found the best prices recently on Facebook marketplace because everybody's
kind of, you know, done their research by the time they hit eBay. Although eBay is a good place
to buy broken stuff, especially when people don't really know what they're talking about,
because I was able to get some really low costs like Dell venue, 71, 30s because they thought
the device was broken and they simply didn't have the right charger for it. Oh, that's funny. Yeah,
yeah, I've heard a lot of stories of people to get perfectly good printers. The funny is,
it's not strictly computer-related, but I have a friend who's senior live on social security. He
gets real crappy and he dumps her dives and he regularly finds vacuums that are, he enters
them, cleans them out, tries them. He's found like 8 or 10, where they all work perfectly fine.
They just needed emptied. Yeah. Well, when society survives, he's going to be people like us who
keep stuff alive. The other day, my wife tried to convince me that I needed to buy a new vacuum cleaner
and what I ended up doing was taking the vacuum cleaner all the way apart, cleaning out the
hoses, removing the brush wheel and completely, you know, taking off all the stuff that was
clogging up that brush wheel and putting it back together and it worked like it was brand new.
How the Linux user cleans the vacuum? Joe will clean anything. I want to fix anything.
I'm trying to get that way. Yeah, I do almost all my buying on eBay. Craigslist, you never really
know what you're getting until you actually drive there and look at it because they usually don't
post all the information about the machine. Yeah. And you also don't know if they're trustworthy.
Don't order any electronics through Facebook Marketplace like the, you know, they'll ship
it to you. Don't do that. There's too many scams for that right now. Yeah. But if you can show
I pick it first. If I'm going through, if I'm ordering through Facebook Marketplace, we're finding
things on Facebook Marketplace. So I'm definitely, it's going to be a local pick-up.
Not so. Absolutely. Yeah. Am I wrong in thinking that if you buy something on eBay,
you can actually find all the big sell ups when you have companies that have gone on the under
or changing the stock out, they sell it on eBay. That's frequently true or like when they
have just bought new machines. There are some rather large companies that buy all of their old stuff
and refurbish it and put it up per sale. I just got this Think Center M700 tiny. I paid
less than $400 for it and run by crazy. I think to do if you don't mind dumpster diving is waiting
till the end of a set college semester and then going out to the college and checking the dumpsters
there because you have a lot of exchange students that can't take anything back with them when they
go and they'll just throw it away. That's exactly what I've heard from my friend who had a bunch
of foreign exchange students. He said that's how you wound up with like perfectly good furniture
and... I lived near college and his friend that gets the vacuums to two. I was like, how do you
get perfectly good stuff thrown out and just... I'm like, okay, I'll have to remember that middle
of dumpster dive. What's the end of the college year? That's the problem you have to know what
there's schedule is and you also have to know what the trash collection schedule is.
Yeah, I can figure it out. When all... it went off all... I forgot words. Can't speak.
I was going to say I was going to say I'm back also. I've just realized something.
We've got... Well, it's not really can fall in this on it, so the other guy.
Yeah, I'm starting from... when I was doing this thing two years ago.
What's one of that? The year ago? Not sure if I came one last year. I think I didn't go on last year.
Or maybe I did. I was two years ago, I didn't go on probably actually.
Well, we always... You're the one doing together. Me? All right.
It's Nelson. Oh, yes. Hello. This is more than, say, Robert, who invited you.
Oh, hi, Robert. How are you doing? How are you doing? Good. There was some dead air, so I thought I'd say hi.
Hi. Okay. But, yeah, me and Shne Andrews also here. Now, um, uh, and uh, also our
lesal sisters gone to family and stuff. Um, uh, um, we used to come like, um, somewhere before midnight,
usually, and be like, hi, we exist, and then bug her off again. So yeah, we just come on to say,
happy new year, and then we continue on with our great. And last year, I, um, I did the usual thing
which I like to do, which I have done for like three years, but with like a year of pause in between,
because we went to family for once, which we usually never do. Um, and, um, which is basically just
me staying up all night, and that's it. Um, usually I watch something, but, um, last year,
I didn't have anything to watch. Um, so I decided to go, um, talk to people actually, and I enjoyed
talking to people for hours and hours and hours, because usually, um, people don't want to listen to
me for hours and hours and hours. Yeah, well, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, well, I guess if they
people actually download it as a podcast and start to listen to it in their car or whatever,
going to walk listen to it. But yes, staying up all night, I, uh, was thinking probably doing similar
things, and then they ought to be honest, say, oh, pretty much, I'm not sure what will see happens.
Absolutely. So what, how does the, how does the, uh, recording work that they,
does somebody just go through and remove all the dead air, or is it like, is this whole thing
going to be uploaded? That's what I'm talking about. The dead air is getting removed. So I didn't
know that last year. Now I know. So that's why he does, is he goes through, and yes, he removes all the
dead air, and that's just a matter of, um, what, truncate silence in audacity. And then, um, he will
probably drop out the, the low end and pop and to normalize all the sound and then he'll split it up
into probably three chunks or so. And, is it, who's recording it properly? Because I think to
you, Lizzy, where's it? Say, he's not recording it from here. He's recording it from the ice
castry. He's recording it on a different thing. Right. Oh, yeah, they usually don't get
it posted until June or July, but it's there. Yeah. Yeah. Very funny. I, I guess it was five
past the last year, right? It might have been. I'm not sure. I'd have to ask Frankie. I know, but I,
I recommended people, uh, listening to the thing. And, um, I think it's hilarious. They didn't get
that I was joking, but basically, um, I was saying like, yeah, um, I, um, it's summer. So it, like,
stuff like it's summer. So it's perfect time to listen to, to, uh, last year's new year show,
stuff like that, or like, um, yeah, I've just, like, um, uh, this new year I was doing HPR stuff.
And, uh, you can listen to it in the summer. And that kind of thing, people usually don't get that
kind of joke because it's laying, and I'm not very good at joking. No, no, I get you. I've not
actually come out probably a bit sooner, really, but I think that's what we're joking about here.
Who's this? Selling web the name is, um, I was, sorry. I was going to ask you
snowsing what area are you in? Um, Ohio, America. Okay. Oh, eight. Everyone else run.
Uh, I'm from, uh, the Netherlands, uh, Europe, um, which isn't, yeah, which is a northern hemisphere
if you need more. S, it's also cool. It can also be known as a, you might, you might not like this,
to see. It can also be called Holland. I believe. Yes. Oh, no, it's fine. I, I also live in Holland,
um, yeah. I live in the parts of the Netherlands, which is called Holland, but it's like,
like, we use it for tourists, for people who don't know what the Netherlands is, but it's not
actually called the Netherlands, but it's basically like, um, it's a bit like New York or like London.
That's how it puts it. It's like the most important part of the country, but it's not the entire
country. I'm an eastern Tennessee and Joe is in Texas. I'm from Sweden. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm from England. I'm in England, but I'm also half sweet. That's how I was talking.
My profile area. And I think we got, it's black, black, black here. Where's that name,
I'm about? Yeah. I'm tweeting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hong Kong, but currently I'm actually in Sweden, visiting family.
Where's Sweden? For Augusta. For Augusta. Yeah. I think I've had that.
North of Australia's almost $1,000. Am I echoing? Was it just me? I didn't hear.
Now, when people are talking independently, um, I don't hear an echo.
I guess when she was at home, she had up this double strain.
Usually when one mic is open and they have their speakers on is when you get the echo.
Josh, is that you? Me? Sounds like you. I'm echoing. No, I was just asking if it was you.
I got you. Yeah. I do. I'm off. Yeah. I'm Josh from the midcast. From where?
The midcast, the Linux midcast. That was an experiment. I thought you were naming the place you were
currently and we were just doing that. I know. I'm from California. California. Yeah.
Really? People from all over, don't we? California. Yeah. California.
Are you from northern or southern, Josh? California? I'm kind of right in the middle
in the central valley. A little town called Turlock about, uh, and say about an hour and a half
south of Sacramento, the capital. Yeah. I know. Turlock. I'm in Auburn.
Oh, okay. Yeah. There are many times. So, let's, let's tell the, let's tell everyone who
named the place. Yeah, but it's true. Yeah, but really it's not back sighting because
what we got here at the moment, it seems we've got we got two or three people for our America, right?
Then we got two, uh, two will be me free of us from Europe as well. So you see what I'm saying?
Yeah. Exciting. Rifting. It's like an action move. That's how exciting it is.
Actually, I think there are four identified as being from America. Well, full then. Yeah. And some people
the West. We win. Yeah. The Western world, Western countries, the developed countries,
there's no one from age or on there or Africa or, you know,
for nobody's, from one I heard, there was, uh, well, Turkey is going to be in Asia saying that,
but he's still Swedish. I'm not counting that. Oh, and one to the same. Yeah.
I think last year we had some people showing up from South Africa, which was really
interesting because there was a lot of talk about the business and so on, right? Have a good talk
up. It's nice. That one. Don't, can't remember. Uh, Mark Shastawell, if I met him once, that was good.
Got a shotguns with him as well. Uh, one of the conferences talked to him briefly.
Stock can, he chucked my hands. And I've met Richard Stallman before as well. Um, so yeah, two of
the most famous people in the world of Linux and open source or free software if you prefer.
Uh, um, so yeah, I don't know anybody, but I'm, I'm listed right. I'm listed right after Mark
Shadowworth on the donors list of Paul Thurkel magazine. Well, Shastawell, if it's South
Africa, I'm obviously, that's what I'm saying as well. Well, conical, let's see, they have all
a man thing there, which is one of the British adults, but then they've got a London office as well.
So it's like, um, right, okay. So it's sort of recession away, I believe. I actually met Stallman once
and he actually told off some teenagers where we were sitting on the tram and was also
some emails. And then they asked him, why are you using the computer now? You don't have any internet.
So you can't really use your computer. And he was like, uh, you can do a lot of
computer without the internet, you should know. Yeah. I remember at this, um, university, I went to
see a speech, but it's just down in two hours, you know, like, 2013 swing. And um, there was somebody
that would look like a McDonald's top or something. And they really, really go at them then. Like,
why are you like, why are you leaving the room? Why are you gonna leave? And that's why
I remember as well. But yeah, you can do a loss on the computer without internet. Even look at
stuff from the internet if you've got it open from before you lost the internet. Like, sometimes
something when I, when I, there's an echo. No, there's not. There was an echo. Yeah, I think
like one has like a lot of stuff. Yeah. Two now was gonna cut. But, uh, I realized I was
interrupting you. So, so I got off. Ah, yeah. Thanks. Well, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
quickly said, yeah, sometimes when I know I'm not gonna have internet and I'll open stuff
before I'll go to the place. If I'm like, yeah, I'll have a little rest and maybe read some of
this like, for instance, like, um, magic the gathering lore stuff in the Strad lore. And then I'll
just like, uh, and then I'll just open it. And as long as it don't refresh the page, everything is fine.
Whenever fresh to page, then it, like, in school, I do have internet pages, but magic is blocked
for some reason. So, um, I, uh, what I'll do is, sometimes it's just like open it beforehand,
because it's fun to read that. The funny thing with telling Richard Stallman in particular that,
hey, you can't use your computer without the internet is that he doesn't even do his browsing
online. He just accused the couple of pages. Actually, I, actually, I believe that was a story
from, um, leave a planet. The, you know, they're event, the free soft foundation from one of
America. And I think it's about three years ago, about some article somewhere, it basically said that
he now apparently does actually do web browsing. And so unlike at like a normal web browsing,
you know, and then the audience, like, gasps and then applaud it. I think things like that,
which, which, like, normal things, but because you know the context, you're, you're like,
surprised and like, you think it's cool. I love those kind of things that, uh, I think that's very
hilarious. I looked up, uh, endless OS, and it is like trying the first Linux to show that's like
actually made for like the whole family. It's a very clever, it's true. This is why I like Linux,
because you'll just get like weird stuff, no one taught about, um, how long on the OS,
remember that one, anybody? That was made for, well, that was made for a bit of a laugh probably,
really, but, but there's been other attempts at most seriously making things that would be like
you said for the whole family. What was the one you said that was kind of for laughs?
Hello, I'm Tom Norris, did you miss that? It's from like, uh, 2009, I think that based on
another bit much more to the Linux. Based on Cubans. It is still being maintained.
What, I said, where did you go in there? Yes, it is still being maintained.
The only things I understood there were like endless, more serious, less serious,
second is stuff, and for a family. The rest all just sounded like magic spells. Like,
ooh, I'm, I've, uh, I've summoned and I've fished the flow to the house,
from there, from there, from there, from there, from there, from there, from there,
from there, from there, from there, from there, from there, from there, from there.
Happenly we add to a couple of Arabic, uh, Playa, Ponta del Garda,
and something that I can't pronounce, because it's just a couple of weird letters. So I will send
it in the chat, and if somebody wants to get it all, then we're going to do that.
Oh yeah, it's not sure what's the weather, where was behind the UK in our behind,
and then we got, um, some other countries next, and then we got another, something next,
I believe, next two hours, and then we went, and then we got those like,
three hours and a half time zones coming up later, new founders, for example,
where I've done some Zoom meetings actually, and it's yeah, which was, uh, for public speaking,
which was kind of interesting. One of those places I went, I went to South Africa,
did some there as well. We talked about South Africa, it means to, um,
I've been to a US embassy, sorry last year, 2021, I've been to South Korea, I've been to Australia.
That's what I've been doing, I've been doing Zoom traveling,
give for public speaking groups though, and, and it's, and there's groups all over the world,
and then gone online, and it's just amazing, because you can go, you can,
suddenly, you can go and have meetings in America, Canada, Australia if I really wanted to,
and you've seen them maybe if I really wanted to, South Korea, and all over the place,
Finland, Sweden, and the best one, the hybrid I reckon, because I went to one in, um,
tamper, and Finland, you're the weak, for example, but I've done that twice, but want the first,
first time, it all just snacks and all the bottles, and it looks so great on Zoom,
because you can see people down in a room, and then you're on Zoom, and then you can do your things as well,
so yeah, I mean, basically I didn't do something like that.
Well, you sort of say, you wouldn't do something like that, is that what you said?
We get the chat to stop for a reading of messages.
I don't have that, I don't know. Do you see these views from like that?
Hey, yeah, there's a setting to read messages. Go to things, and general, and then I think it's the second option,
text, to message. Text to speech, yeah. Okay, so that's like an individual setting, actually,
you know? For E-sad, you want to see something like that, and he was going to say something as
well, and then we're going to talk about text to speech, or something. Yeah, I can, oh yeah,
um, so you were talking about like Zoom thingy, is that like, so basically, you're, you're having
like an online meeting, but the differences you can see the people in the meeting, so just basically
having meetings with like people all around the world, which is more pretty cool. Well, kind of,
I mean, I mean, it's part of a thing all around the world, anyway, and it's been going since,
um, I don't know, 70 years, maybe 100 years, and there's groups all over the place,
and, um, in various countries as well, I've been some in Brussels when I went over there, and
one year went, what I'm going to go, groups over there, as well, I went for the big foster
them, obviously, but they got clubs in America, they got clubs all over the place, and you
learn to do public speaking, and it's all, you know, everything's evaluated as well,
and you people do speeches, and they read a ship bowls, and, and you can get them all,
would you, you club that you're part of, I'm more and more with my club currently with
bowls and the committee. Um, or the only catch is you're supposed to be 18 or over to join
more of these clubs, and I'm not sure I'll do all that, but um, but yeah, but yeah, it's great for business
18 was two does not equal 18, maybe two years then, um, but here we go, it'd be great for,
but I think that, well, I'll ask some exceptions to that, um, some clubs will do,
do it with schools, or education as well, but that most clubs aren't like that, but, um,
but no, it's a good thing, good, good to get into public speaking as well, because that's
kind of that's good in, um, business, or college, or education, or anything like that, or anything
like that way, you need to talk about that, about stuff, and in front of people,
help send something with a slideshow, maybe, and, um, and yeah, there is this organization,
I part of some extent, that probably the biggest one for public speaking, and I'm just
because of pandemic, really, that went online, because people can't meet in person suddenly,
and it was like, oh, uh, what we're going to do, oh, we can get on Zoom, and it works,
because Zoom, you focus on who's allowed us, there's no, and that's how it works,
Zoom for singing, we'll sing, or choir, or music, it doesn't really work very well,
because you can't even clap on Zoom properly, um, but further things like public speaking,
it, and it does work, and what I meant by hybrid is where, basically, that's what I'm
helping my own club will go this direction, is where we're trying to, but it's been
prom getting equipment sort of a down things, but the idea is you have to have people there
in the room in person, and at the same time, there are people online on Zoom, and then you just
interact simultaneously between the two, and it just works very smoothly, usually like that, instead
of just having it in the room, we know equipment, just no online presence, or only online,
where it's only people on Zoom, and, um, and yeah, why not give me free, free lockdowns, really
dead, when I was stuck at home, like, we're a lot of the time, like, what am I going to do now?
Great, I live by a city, but everything fun is basically closed for the time being, like,
restaurants, restaurants, and pubs, and bars, and cinemas, and I'm sure you know what I mean,
I'm not, I'm sure everyone, yeah, I mean what I mean, and you may go here, I was like,
library was closed for the first lockdown, and afterwards I didn't have anything to read anymore,
what was that, say again? Afterwards, a library was closed the first lockdown, and afterwards I didn't
have anything to read anymore, and then I read everything, and I didn't have any new series,
which, yeah, that's pretty impressive, because usually people always have, like, that bookshelf of
books, they haven't actually read all the way through. Nope, well, all the, on interesting books,
like, books about computers and stuff, stuff, dad likes, but all the interesting ones,
like, Terry Pracher, that kind of stuff, all the things I like, they're all read, I've read the
mall, I've also, even though I listened to all of my audio books at, like, 3.5x, I don't think I could
finish them in this lifetime. Oh, I've got leather books here, but they're just old books that
have, you know, from the house, etc, and most of these books I will not read properly.
Yeah, I think, yeah, the thing is, well, I do have a fast reading speed, but it's more like,
well, first off, I read most of it when, also, like, the entire library, when I didn't
have any online presence whatsoever, didn't do, didn't watch YouTube, didn't do anything. So,
I basically had all the stuff when people are usually, like, online or watching TV or something,
converted to book reading, so that helps, definitely not going to read those speeds anyway anymore,
but, um, I, um, I'm also very much cautious of, um, books and stuff, of books and stuff, like,
I've read loss of terrible books for school in the name of school, like, literature,
the only good literature I found from the Middle Ages, which says a lot, um, and, um,
meaning to give it, what? Do you have to read, like, the giver and stuff, or? Well, that would,
the thing is, we have to read Dutch literature, like English literature is fine, there's a lot of
things just from the world, those kind of stuff, that's fine, but with Dutch literature,
it's either all very, like, modern day with psychological problems or World War II. Those are,
like, the two biggest ones, and I hate both of them. I've had enough World War II stuff in,
in, in, in, in primary school, basically equivalents of primary school, and they didn't have
any other history, and for someone who loves history, but doesn't really care much for World War II,
that sucks, um, and, uh, yeah, I, I already, I, I don't really need any more psychological
problems. I don't think anyone needs any more, especially during COVID time. You don't really
know, need to read about a person, shut up inside of it, when you're shut up inside of it,
I'd be writing the Brandon Tenderson. And what? Brandon Sanderson. Is he writing Dutch books?
Yeah. Well, then I wouldn't be allowed to read him. So, did you?
Oh, you can read things on your own, can't you? That's true, that's true.
That's the history, right? Yeah, well, well, well, two, well, one, I mean, yeah, in a way,
F, enough, that kind of needs to be covered, or should be covered. Well, there's all the other
two, although they're going to do it in their take on things, aren't they? So there's things
we're not going to bang on now, and that's, but then again, yeah, it can, if you get too much
for one thing, it can get a bit boring, I suppose that's true. Yeah. And I was thinking in England,
we've had well, so we've, if you know, a long time since I did history at school,
a quite a long time, right? Yeah, however, I'm thinking well, so we, you know, well,
we look, oh, good, well, yeah, about 20 years, is it? I don't know, no, 10, 15 years? Anyway,
being quite wild regardless, but my point is, well, so we learn about, so, I think,
we had the Romans, the Romans, yeah, the Romans, the Romans. Yeah, the Romans, look, look, that,
if you don't know about the Romans, that we did, obviously, because we got like,
Roman baths, and the city called Bath, which is what is famous for. Yeah, did there
a presentation on Romans, just a little while back? Yeah, yeah, the Romans obviously. Basically,
the university level, but then something you have to do in, in like middle school,
like, you know, what they, yeah, the secondary school. We had to do university stuff in secondary
school, because, again, it's, again, it's an economic thing, it's something. And then we had,
and then obviously, we've done a little bit about the Vikings as well, from Sweden, all that, yeah.
Nice. And then, and then, yes, a couple of those. And I was watching a documentary,
I think there was Napoleon who conquered a lot of Europe, I believe. And I remember something
on TV, it was about why, basically, in Europe, in the mainland of Europe, why people
thrive on the right, hand side of the road, but in UK, we drive on the left side of the road.
I think I will think us to do with that. And that's, it's to do with how he conquered,
I think he conquered most of Europe, basically. And he was left and there, I think, was the reason,
so I think we're, we're tall sails in all this, right? Because this is the full cars, right?
But he didn't conquer Britain, so I think it's to do with that. And so for some sort of
slide, well, I remember that from a child, I just heard it somewhere, and it's true. It is because
of Napoleon, he did lots of like standardization. That explained to you why America is on the
right side of the road. Yeah, and basically, it also does. It don't have metric, because
it's the first thing that he's bringing, America. I didn't do it. One. I mean, you think
on America, did he? I would say no, but I don't know if America was around when Napoleon was
something. Yes, they were, they were doing the war of 1812. I didn't even know that existed
a war of 1812. And then when I found out, I was like, why don't I know about this? And then I was like,
oh, happened during Napoleon, of course. Yeah, okay. This was why it did exist. They did exist,
but America always had a good relationship with France, I didn't know what if they had it around
that time as well, but they definitely didn't like England. So they were, well, America broke
free from England, really. Yeah, okay. Yeah, this is interesting. Yeah. And there's another thing.
They just had good reasons to draw, on the right side, because then you could see the people,
then you could stare castle or horses, better or something. I don't know. You could do something
better with wagons. But like, do you know why America doesn't use symmetric system?
No. It's because of pirates. Like, I used to think pirates for if, if not, they were at least
pretty cool, pretty cool stuff. Like, I used to know the real, what really like for pirates,
but then still it's pretty cool, cool branding. But they made sure that I can't watch my science
videos with actual, like, use for measurements to me. I have, they have to add an additional
measurement. Yeah. Basically, the guy from revolutionary France was going over to America when
it was still pretty young and he was going to explain why metric is so great. But then the ship
got boarded by pirates and they were going to ransom him, but he died before they could do that
of sickness and stuff, just bad conditions. And he actually brought, I think, a kilogram or something
over, like a copy of the kilogram. I know. But anyway, fun facts of the day, the metric, the
the US system is actually tied to the metric system. It's tied to the kilogram, tied to
the meter, that kind of stuff, because otherwise you couldn't do good science. Yeah, they tried to
understand, in, like, the 70s, they kept getting, they've tried to, like, convert people over here
to the system, but we're stubborn. Like, Americans are kind of stubborn. Yeah, everyone's stubborn.
Yeah. Did you know that actually, actually, we're learning this in history at the moment,
the entire, like, governing style of America, like, the whole federation kind of thing,
is copied from a free beta, before an Napoleon Netherlands. And the reason for this is that a lot
of Dutch people went over to the Netherlands, went over to America and then brought their influence
with them. That would make sense. My dad's side of the family is actually all Dutch
in Singapore, which is my last name, actually, apparently. Well, you might know from
the Netherlands apparently, it's very common, in particular, regionally. Can you tell me something?
Sure. Can you tell me something? I think. Now, mind you, this is the, like, American spelling.
I know over there, it's, like, ELS and GA. Well, I think, I think, really, I mean, a lot of people
came, well, yeah, a lot of people came from Europe, originally to America, because they left
for an island probably quite of Irish as well, we've gone over, obviously. And then the Titanic's
already where that ship was, obviously, didn't make it. But, you know, they left the Europe and
these, for whatever reason to get well, went for better life than in America, that was the idea.
Well, they went for a dream of a better life. They probably didn't find it. It's like,
America is not necessarily better, or I think, or something else necessarily worse than Europe.
It depends on what you experience when you come here. That's a big thing. And we even have
arguments over here as, like, what the American dream is. I find it depends on the country they come
from, like, we'll get people that come from Europe, where it's pretty developed in their life.
Yeah, it kind of sucks here, and it go back. But if someone's coming from, like, Somalia,
China, the other certain parts of India, India, India, to the future.
If you come from, come from India, and they're, like, it's way better, and some other people
come over in their, like, Hell no. So, if you come from where you're coming from, where you started out
really poor than, yeah, America can be helpful. Or if you come over here and you come from
old money, you know, as you have lots of money, then yeah, things go really well for you.
It's a bit like now with the, um, the stories on the news here, we're now and again about these
boats going wrong, in fact, because there's a lot of legal immigrants coming over from France
who have, have come in from, like, ball country, like, um, but Afghanistan, maybe, but, you know,
like, places where there's been, well, really poor, poor, poor, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, and, and then they got the idea that Britain is really great, so let's go over there.
And one, I've seen this on news or somewhere they were talking about, and it was like,
a spill at Hang on me, you're in France. What's wrong with France? You made it to France,
the one of those countries. Why do you still insist on coming over to Britain, because actually
France isn't, isn't that bad either? That's, that's a developed country, and so on, you know,
and, and, and then it's, it was a whole, it was a Europe problem as well, I think,
because some of the, in general, with some of those, literally, out of the countries as well,
but, but it's like, why, why is the insist on coming to Britain specifically, because Britain isn't,
it's why it's better than some countries for sure, but it's not great either, it looks like.
Just depends on what you heard from which people, like, I, I've always heard that America is,
like, the end of the world and stuff, but I don't think it is. I don't know, I've not been,
but I don't think it, it's an anarchy all over the streets and, like, like, like,
Florida, man, constantly riding on crocodiles or something. The way I don't know about it,
and other countries, is that if you come to America, think of it as, like, just 50 different
little countries that are loosely connected by almost, like, sort of an EU that has a little more
power, but not by much, and stuff will make a lot more sense, because if you are in, like, California,
versus Florida, versus Colorado, versus Ohio, you'll have a very different experience, so, like,
Florida, Texas, like, they're really weird. You will just walk down the street, and someone will
just have, like, a gun at their hip. Well, like, I'm in Columbus, Ohio, which is actually a little
more like hip story, and a little more, and, you know, Columbus is awesome and super chill,
and, you know, you can, like, I, we have a lot of, like, say, some all-in immigrants and,
a lot of immigrants, most countries love it, because they come here, and they're basically, you know,
guaranteed a job almost, it may not be the best work, but, you know, you can come here, get a warehouse
job, and they often do, and to them, it's a crap ton of money, you know, $15 now, and they're like,
you know, and, of course, they, I mean, so I mean, if you're willing to, you know, if you're just trying
to get a, if you're trying to get some better, you know, I've had people in New York ask me,
because, worked with them, and I live in Texas, if I, if I wrote a horse every day to work,
oh, that's awesome. Yeah, I, I have had that, and yes, guns are, you can see people walking around
with guns, and I live in, you know, central Texas, North Dallas area, but I go to Walmart,
I don't see anybody carrying your gun. They can, if they want to, but you just don't see it,
very often. Yeah, that's a misconception, I think, people have American,
is that we're all just like, or even most of us just have like our gun or hips, it's like,
there's a lot of us that actually now are really afraid of guns. Two questions.
When I was a kid, I lived in Iowa, and Northern Iowa, out and basically in the middle of nowhere
in the country, and it was very common for people to keep shotguns in their trucks, even when they
went to school and things like that, because, well, hunting was an important part of our
everyday existence, because it was the only way some of us got to eat. Yeah, um, misconceptions,
you see, sad, I was thinking of something that there's no idea that, but one idea is that,
basically Americans are lazy, and so most Americans will drive a very short distance,
in this case, to store the shop here with us, they hear. That is true in a lot of cases, where
people will go extremely short distances in their vehicle, but then again, there's also places
where I've lived, where there wasn't a store with, that wasn't a 45 minute drive away.
So yeah, it depends on, so where I am, I would agree actually that I'm lazy because I live near
like a shopping central where I get annoyed if I have to drive more than 15 minutes, but in the
state, I'm from Colorado, people regularly, like a half an hour drive is considered a short drive,
so it depends on where you are in it. For me, like, driving more than 50 minutes is long for me.
Mike, because I just live in a tiny country, but I had two questions, and I had three questions,
who said that, um, that thing about horses that day were asked about if they would ride a horse.
That was the Texas Camboi, Joe, I believe, but were they just joking, just pulling you away?
They were actually serious. Where are they? Can you actually ride a horse?
That's why they didn't have cars. Can I ride a horse? Yes. Have I ridden a horse?
Yes. Are I ride a horse to work? No. No.
I own a horse. No. No. I also ride horses. It's like completely unnecessary here, because
why would you ride a horse? Is it literally no space? Well, there's some space, but like hardly any space.
Well, people have asked me, do I own a horse? And no, don't own a horse. It's, it's the
money you own, so horses, I don't. I just go there and I pay money to be able, well, my parents pay money
for me to be able to ride on the horses, or to learn how to do it. I do learn how to do it.
There are type of Americans that we, I knew about the guns, things, and the other things, but horses,
they must come from like our pioneers day, and I can do know like a lot of that.
That way, movies can't glamorize it. Now I just tell you. Texas.
So I used to live in El Paso, and people were convinced that El Paso was just the way they
had always seen it on TV, and extremely tiny border town that had like two saloons,
and a bunch of dust and people riding around on horses all over the place.
So in a stereo type of Americans, because we're on this subject, it seems, it would be that
basically a lot of weight, a lot, you know, big, and available.
I mean, that's mostly true. Yeah, I mean, it's speaking.
Yeah, the thing I'd actually say about Americans is that I think surprises, people
come over here, is more just the diversity of body type. Because the food.
We are, I think, overall, on average, like bigger than like a lot of Europeans, but I would say
we're like all really fat. I don't just think we are a little, like for example, I am actually
considered kind of thin here, but if I went over to like Japan, or if I went over to France,
I'd be like probably a little on the bigger side, and if I went to Japan, they would be
like, but Japan is like, isn't it true that Japan is like, is like, hardly any, like, overweightness,
or anything? Yeah, I don't want to stereotype Japan, but if I understand they are, it's very hard
to be like any one bigger than them. Yeah, but, you know, I've actually, um, I've actually
heard some specifics, stereotypes, for like, I've got some things which I connect to four
different, you know, it's a fourth different states within the United States, like, um, transport.
There's New York with the yellow cab thingy. There's um, Florida with crocodiles,
with some word reasons. It's actually alligator, but okay. Yeah, crocodiles alligator is, uh,
yeah, there's a large portion of Florida that insane, and so most of your crazy stories do
come out of Florida. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it doesn't mean there isn't good people there,
my dad looks at it, but we are freelancing lives there and he's perfectly sane.
Yeah, you're basically what I heard about Florida is that there are a couple of very insane people,
and they're so insane people, but a couple of very insane people who stuff, but you know,
you're so young, which I heard. So, I think there's different theories to like, why Florida is
like so weird. Uh, I will tell you a lot of people, as I understand it, retire there, and they get
any sort of white, you know, white communities, you know, and when you kind of, the thing
I don't shame on America is, but I think it's a lot easier to section yourself off in the rest of
society. I think than maybe in Europe and stuff. So that's how you get people to just get
your secretary for effect. Yeah, well, yeah, in Europe, um, what people don't realize is that
Europe is well, a really small continent compared to, well, everything else. Yeah, yeah, it's like,
if you put, you can surround your but four chilies, not chili pepper, just chilies, like,
country chili. Um, and um, you can surround them just with four of those, which yeah, they're
very long country, but it is still, it's not very big. And then you've got it sectioned off, and
tiny, little, like small countries where, like, um, the Netherlands isn't even the smallest,
it's pretty big compared to, like, well, pretty big. It's larger than the rest of the, been
the looks, the way it's done. If I start driving it at approximately 70 miles per hour from one
of Texas to the other 70 miles per hour. Oh, okay. Well, um, uh, one tin and um, um, um,
communist power. Ah, yeah. Yeah, which still take me about a day to go all the way across Texas.
Yeah, it's not me. You have some on your slide. Yeah, it's not me. I'm sorry. I'll just get this, uh,
someone's like, you know, yeah, uh, you know, drove to, you know, Germany for groceries,
stopped in France to visit my family and then drove back all in one day. Meanwhile, it's like
Florida. I've been driving four hours north and I'm still in Florida. I love me. I'm so funny.
But yeah, that that's literally true. Like, I can, I, I think I can drive it like a hundred kilometers
per hour, um, because that's like the speed limit. Um, and, uh, I can go from one side of the country to
another in like a couple hours, like, like half a day max. I'm actually studying for
train conductor here in the Netherlands. There we go again. The train person talks about trains.
This is actually interesting. I've never really been like a train person.
Well, uh, it's only a few hours if you take the train from the most south of most north. So it's pretty
pretty cool. It's actually pretty cool trains. I wish that was just a bit of a thing here. They keep
trying to get like, uh, not granted to be harder. Oh, they've done an India, like, get like a public
train. They've had plans for a while that, um, would like just circle, I think, between Chicago, Columbus,
Cleveland, Damian, Damian's my friend. He's Dan Callaway. Do you know about that? But yeah,
they keep having these plans to do more public transportation. But in America, like, the government
and companies are like, open, like, hostile towards, like, public transportation. It's not like
a normal mechanism Europe. It's very obnoxious. You guys really cool ideas. You guys have rules
for the amount of parking you need per building. We don't have that here. Like, I actually saw a
video, but made by an American person who was specializing that. So, uh, they know what they're
talking about. Um, they've got, you've apparently got a rule that, for instance, per this type of building,
you need this amount of parking space. We don't have that. Yes. If we had that, we wouldn't have
enough space to, um, grow to do, to do all this, to actually just exist on the world economic
stage. Like, we at least need a little bit of space for farming and stuff. And we need a bit of
space for, you know, teaching people stuff. And that, those two are like, our main exports.
Yes. So, uh, what, what you're referring to is something called Euclidean zoning. Um,
that is the root of all evil in North America. Um, yeah. We are really obsessed with our cars.
I think contrary to all a lot of not Americans think they're actually a lot of Americans here
that really care about, like, making public transportation more of a thing. But I think a
struggle that we deal with America. I don't think people outside America always realize
everything's really far apart. So, the places for public transportation has been most successful.
Usually there's places that already were pretty condensed. Like, in New York cities. Yeah.
LA used to have really good public transportation. They got dismantled, which is a whole thing.
So, the challenge is like, okay, you know, how do you make, you know, transportation when
do you have all these major cities that are like hours and hours and hours and hours and hours?
Apart as it is, you know, a car. And again, it was a cool idea that would make, like, I think
getting between, like, Columbus and Chicago or something, take, like, you know, 24 hours out to
look at up. Yeah. Well, there's so ideas about bullet trains across America for a long time.
It's just one extremely expensive. Like, two, not necessarily, you know, that feasible
when it comes to thinking about, you know, how many stops along the way, how long does it take
to speed up, slow back down? Well, stop here on load reload. So, what would it be worth it
in the end? The thing is also, like, I think when Americans, as a whole, as an entire
unit of a country, put their mind to something. I think, well, then you get great things. Like,
I'm pretty sure, I can 18 something, something. There was a train line built from one side
of America to the other side. I don't know if that's still in use for something for the
train's continental railroad. Oh, yeah. I'm taking down a long time ago. Well, actually, it's
still in use, but only for freight. Yeah. Yeah. But so basically, the whole idea was that the big
powerful people and all that, all the people who mastered and, like, basically, everyone put their
mind to, we're going to connect these two parts of the, we're going to connect these two oceans together.
And that was, like, also, the whole manifest as anything, the whole, the whole, like, um, oh, yeah.
And then there's a great example of all the trainees in the Irish by working them half to death.
Yes, that's not great. That's not great. All countries have that point in, in their history, like,
I don't know about that. It's just, yeah. But we seem to have a lot of host. That's, well, yeah,
kind of, but it's also with Europe. Uh, that's also the case. Like, with the Netherlands, our
most, the time when we were most powerful and most coolest and actually we were like the OG,
like, how America is, now we were federation each province completely different, um, and you
have, like, the C side and the country side, which, um, had vastly different views. Um, that was built
on, um, the VOC, which was the, uh, framework to Austin, is the company, which was, um, basically,
well, it basically, like, um, they went to, um, uh, what was known as, um, uh, which would later be known
as the Netherlands India and now as Indonesia. Um, and they just pillaged it and made it their own
little private empire. Brits and tried to replicate it, but they were, um, they, uh, only succeeded
when they, like, took the Dutch way and made it their actual empire. They couldn't have a, um,
trade empire, like, made by a single, um, um, uh, what's it called, um, uh, business, like, uh, like, um,
the fair, say, wasn't part, wasn't, um, grown by the government. It was grown by, um, uh,
yeah, it was the company, probably fit that we know in English. Yeah. Yeah. I always kind of imagined,
at least, I can't speak for all Americans, but I always imagine the Netherlands right now, it's just
kind of being the country where it's like, it's sort of like the calm, like, sibling where there's
kind of, like, it's just kind of cool and it's just kind of, I don't know, it's not, there just
seems to be kind of low drama in the Netherlands, like, it's just kind of cool there. The only
like excited is, at least from American standpoint, because, is I think it's like, uh, you know,
drugs are a lot more legalized there. Yeah. What are actually stereotypes for Europe,
because we talked a lot about stereotypes for America, and I think we all know that we, we, we,
we connect to the internet. Yeah. But I haven't heard nearly as much stereotypes over Europe.
Like, where you're saying is actually, yeah, we, we do, we actually had that in history. We have a,
um, thing, which is like, um, we're very tolerable. We tolerate a lot of things. So drugs are,
uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but drugs are legal. We just tolerate them more. Well,
they are illegal, but they kind of just, not sure what she's, I think I know what you mean,
so needed. I mean, so like, for example, here before marijuana was legalized,
basically everyone was doing pot, like, it was just kind of, it was weird, like, open secret,
and you basically only actually got in trouble for pot if you were like a dealer,
and you piss someone off, and they got you in trouble, or we have to be in trouble, and over here,
where, because everyone again was doing pot, but like, people of color, or black people,
or Mexicans, or whatever, would like disproportionately get like arrested for it, over white people.
So that was, that's actually what won the big difference. Yeah, longer jail sentences. Yeah,
behind legalized, because people are like, listen, everyone's doing pot, so, and you're,
you know, criminalizing black people for more, just like, just legalize it.
Yeah. And what happened is Colorado, the state of the firm, what I think happened personally,
is my opinion, I don't know why I can prove this. They legalized it, taxed it,
made a shit ton of taxes, and I think the other states were like, oh, okay, I guess we can deal
with pot, like, they got dollar signs in their eyes. It's pretty funny. Yeah. Yeah, that wasn't pretty much
this. Yeah, one of those legalized it and had to give tax money back to all their citizens,
and then other states were like, hmm, funny. Yeah, yeah, one serves money involved.
People will generally continue getting money involved. But basically, yeah, that kind of stance.
So stuff like, for instance, I, I won't say that there was like a war between Sweden and Denmark,
as dare you, she is. And like, one of the countries taught the Netherlands, this was back in the,
in the, in the pre-France in the Golden era. This was, when, when, when the Netherlands was actually
back then, like, what America is right now, it's like, big superpower, which is very,
very funny because it's so small and tiny. But basically, they said, don't trade with this other
country, uh, with, don't know which one it was. And then the people in charge were like,
sure, we won't trade with the other one. And then they were, and then what happened was that they
just traded in secret, because you could make money out of it. And that kind of, for instance,
in history, we once again hadn't had lesson and then one of the things he also said was,
um, the Netherlands always had a lot of people like, um, what's the word? People coming to the,
um, uh, is the emigrate or immigrate, immigrate, right? In the northern word, you know what I mean?
And that, that, that usually, that was like, other cultures were just tolerated, like, um,
like Jewish people were just tolerated, um, right, right until like, uh, the German occupation,
which was little less tolerable. But, um, yeah, pretty tolerable, like, even Catholics were allowed
to have secret, um, secret churches. As long as they weren't out in the open, it, it, it was, okay,
um, yeah, um, it, the only time it would kind of be a problem is when, um, well, he said,
I can't remember exactly what I said, but like, um, the time it became more obvious when it was,
uh, after World War II and the whole empire stuff, whole colonialism began collapsing.
A loss of people with different skin colors, uh, began traveling to, um, the Netherlands. So,
um, that would, then it was more obvious, and there was more resistance, but yeah, yeah.
Basically, like, if you can adapt to us, it, or stick to yourself, then it's fine. That's basically it.
Is there, so I take it, there's actually a lot of like diversity in the Netherlands, as far as, like,
yeah, race, religion. Well, I don't, I don't really care that we have really high focus on it in America,
and one thing, yeah, Moe Screts, one thing that was like, when I talked to, you know,
there's people that confused by our focus, we get on race, and it's like, my opinion on that is,
you're human, I'm human. We all belong to the almost sapiens group. We might have it for no
dare, but we don't have to fight to war. We can literally just play magic the gathering to decide
wars. I know. Of course. I know something not destructive. I'm very, very easily. It's just
don't get angry. That's very simple. Yeah, it's a good, not getting angry. Yeah, most people aren't,
but I'm just, I literally don't care if, like, if someone say someone is gay, and they're like,
to me, I'm gay, and then my response is out of here. Yeah, exactly. Why do I care? Are you attracted
to me? Nope. Okay, I don't care. My grandma's is also gay. I don't care. That's true, but my
grandma is gay, but yeah, I don't really care. Well, a lot of people around here will get like
really offended if someone of the same sex makes a pass at them, and they're not gay. My opinion
is, is okay. You gave it a shot. I turned you down, as long as you don't keep pushing at me.
Okay. That's how much the way it is here now is, and it's still kind of like, you can still find
areas where people aren't out. But where I am, like, if, you know, because I'm like technically
queer as we call it here, and to me it's the least interesting part of me, which is kind of nice,
because even when I was growing up, like there's always this big thing in now, you're like,
I'm gay, or I'm a serenepan if people are like, hey, like literally, why do I care what you're
going to do with your genitalia, as long as it's not with me? Exactly, and it's weird because
like, with our parents and grandparents, they still get kind of weird about it sometimes, or like,
I have to sometimes explain things to my parents or my grandma, just straight up does not
understand certain things, and that's why I tell them is like, people just do what they want
now, or don't, or don't, or don't, and they, my mom probably gets it. She's just like,
yeah, people don't care nowadays, and I was like, it's extremely oversimplified, but yeah.
Yeah, and, but yeah, like, if someone were to actually, someone would try to make
pass them here or something, I would not even notice that they were doing it. I would just relax,
in a very literal way, because I didn't, I, there should be classes for that, you know,
there should be classes like, if somebody does this, this is what they mean or something,
because it's so complicated. I'm generally oblivious as well, but I have literally had, you know,
guys, they, hey, do you want me to perform such and such a sex act on you, and it's like,
oh, I'm a long-term committed relationship, and I plan on staying that way, and that's the end of
the conversation. Yeah, if you're interested in me, just go up and ask, well, as long as you're
in a legal age, of course, otherwise, wait until I'm old enough. Exactly. Yeah,
the age of consent is important. I'm not piercing, can you? Consence is, of course,
importance. Is it over there here, it's for the most part, like, 16, 18, in some states, 18.
Well, I, I just assume everything, whatever 18 is 18 or whatever price your parents tell you
at in Florida. Actually, that is kind of a messed up thing here, and there's actually a bit of
a problem with it in certain, like, weird circles, is that you can actually get married before
the legal age as long as your parents sign off on it. So you will want to position your
situation to have, like, 15-year-olds married each other in the parents, or, yeah, that's fine.
Or a 15-year-old married a 20-year-old, 40-year-old. Yeah, well, yeah, well, yeah, well, yeah, well,
nine-year-old, and we, for that happens, and like child marriage is actually like kind of a
problem in, like, very specific areas in America, which surprised me when I found that out,
because I always thought that we were kind of, like, way past that. Yeah, there's lots of things
which you think you're way past. Like, I've been getting this ads, like, something talk therapy
that's brutal and that's still legal and netizens, and, like, for a case of, I think that's,
like, that you try to talk someone out of being gay, which, like, doesn't make sense,
because we're the first country to lead by gay marriage, which, by the way, that's, like,
it was in 2001, I think that's super late. No, we still have conversion therapy here. Yeah.
It's, like, a lot of it gear, and it's, I think, less of it here, but I don't know for certain.
It's, like, this stuff you think you're doing really well in, but then you suddenly find out
that there's this whole underbelly to society, which is all backwards and weird and, like, wrong.
I don't have a problem with, if someone wants to, you know, go to therapy in order to not be
a homosexual or anything like that. I don't have a problem with that. If they want to,
if they want to, are sending their kids? Yeah, that's, like, I'm literally shaking my head,
but you can't, and see that. I'm like, yeah, that's terrible. That's literal torture. That should
be made illegal. Yeah, that should be out. But yeah, that's literally just, like, oh my god.
The urgent therapy is illegal in some part here, not in other parts, kind of, again,
kind of on the state of the city as it does with everything here. I think it's more actually tied to
religion. That's what I've seen from it. Yeah, I hear Josh's voice. Yeah, I'm here.
Hey, Josh, how's it going? I'm not too bad. Not too bad. Just hanging out.
Having various political conversations here. Well, yeah, so it seems to be. It's started from, like,
like, like, uh, some, uh, what was it again? Word, um, stereotypes about America,
and then stereotypes about Europe. And yeah, I don't think we even got stereotypes for Europe.
Well, we were doing the Netherlands, and then we were like, um, like, uh, some stereotypes
were mentioned by the Netherlands, and then I was giving it a whole history explanation about some
of them. I was informing people, like, um, uh, there was something, oh yeah, um, they, it will
set that, uh, there aren't any problems. Well, there are some problems in that, and I've noticed
it's usually with, like, um, like, uh, what's called the holidays or stuff, like, um, celebrations.
Like, they're center class, which is the major one. It's, um, this is, this might be a bit,
people might be very shocked with this one, but basically kids, uh, there's, they, it's like Santa.
Like, the guy before Santa will Santa, that guy, that same Nicholas. It's Saint Nicholas, but then
in, like, in all their form, basically, um, um, crap us. No, but no, uh, kind of near it. It's a Dutch
Saint Nicholas, basically, um, center class, uh, we go on. And, um, basically, he's got these,
little, he got these helpers, um, but these helpers, they have black skin and where certain types of clothing,
which people nowadays think is very racist, and they're correct. It's very racist, and then
people, um, trip people, like, um, uh, do shmink and stuff to make, uh, them, self, look, like,
black people basically. Oh, black, oh, yeah, we have a picture. It's worth to pizza, they're called black
Pete, yeah. Yeah, we bought black face over here, and it is, like, it is one of the fastest ways
get yourself canceled in the United States. Yeah. If you are white and you put stuff on and make
yourself look black, you think, like, kind of realistic and not, like, it's just, well, don't,
it's not what you do. The thing is, it's kids, and all they want is candy, and it's a phone thing,
and nobody actually means any harm, but it's, it is racist. And the thing is, people know this,
but there's some people, which are like, um, which are resisting the change to, like,
include, like, people of all ethnicities in the pizza, or, like, um, what my solution to the
problem is is that you have people of all ethnicities and all colors, like rainbow people,
for, like, uh, if someone, for instance, a gay Pete could, like, be rainbow and pink or something,
that, yeah, I'm looking at a news article about this, and it says, slate.com in a hole in,
say it doesn't have levels, he has slaves. Well, the thing is, we do also have Santa, and most people
are actually, I think, now, during, um, uh, Christmas instead of, uh, center class, which they're
two different things by way, and I think in present-wise, center class is way superior, you get,
like, a couple of presents leading up to center class, and then, like, the big jackpot in
center class, it's, like, the build, like, the spread out and the, all come together at the same time.
Well, you're right, like, true, we before the, yeah, big day, and then each weekend, yeah,
yeah, so basically the big day, you outnumber of times, and then you get a bit of kind of small present
in your shit. And then the last day, like, the day before he leaves his birthday, uh, the fifth of the
December, um, you get, like, big presents and stuff, and it, like, it used to be, like, instead of Christmas,
you'd have center class. And I think presents-wise, it's way better, it, yeah, it's just that,
it's a bit racist. And, um, there's, like, a central kind of authority, basically, on, um, like,
of course, everyone has their own little thing, but, um, depending on where you live, like,
going there would be people going, uh, doing, um, like, parades or going to schools and stuff.
But there, um, there's also the, uh, the central now, which is, like, uh, just, like,
in use for, uh, for a center class. Um, and they are trying to go over to, um, to a subpar, um, solution,
which is basically just that it's, um, that there, that the beta are black because of, um,
the, uh, what's it called stuff in chimneys? What? A, A, sort? Yeah, uh, but, yeah,
yeah, of course. Yeah, as we would say, I mean, they, they're black because of the search.
But basically what they're doing is, um, uh, they're all, what they did is they got rid of the
couple, very, like, major pizza in the thing you've, you got, you got a couple and they kind of took
them away, which was a shame because they, they were really funny and really great and great.
No, they didn't, they didn't take them away because of the whole, uh, situation with them. They
just don't want to be a part of that. Because they kind of left the changing of the color away
too late if they had those. Yeah, if, and if they did it really like everyone, I think, if they
included everyone, just maybe a couple black pizza, uh, it doesn't necessarily even have to be
your own skin, or you, you could paint anything, anything, as long as it's appropriate, or like,
it, uh, it would be fine if you did it in time, but it's too late and stuff, and now, yeah,
it's kind of side-actually. And there's a, like, and I'm not like a person of color,
to me, it's like, because you have reading about it, it seems like most people in the Netherlands
are not bothered by it, which is kind of like, surprisingly, is the American, but again,
Americans get super caught up on race for some reason. So, thinking outside of, like, my
Americans, assumptions, it's like, well, you know, if you're not having other issues, because this
is something I have to think about sometimes, um, if you guys are having other issues with, like, racial,
inequality and stuff, then if there's not, like, huge, say, huge income and equality between
blacks and whites, because we in America, I've been saying, no, about that situation.
Other stuff and blah, blah, blah, blah. No, I don't think that that's as prevalent, but I don't
know, uh, I'm not very good with economics and stuff. I'm politics. I don't know.
Do you think it's definitely a reason why I wear it? So, uh, focused on it. It's not like we're just
freaking out for another reason. Yeah, if you look at American history and slavery and stuff,
like, whatever your opinions on it, and obviously depend on the American you ask and all that.
I think it's the, the thing is, it's, uh, it definitely is present in the Netherlands with the
whole sorts of beats of things. That's, I mean, uh, that's, like, this is the biggest, the biggest
discussion we're talking about here. I actually had a conversation. I had darker skin. It's not
per se, uh, that they are black. It's more than the ever-small thing throughout the year that
that's just kind of, like, here we say the drippledy, the MRD overload, but I'm not sure. The
straw which breaks the camel's back. Yeah, that one. So, yeah. It's, I don't think there is a huge
difference, but I'm not sure. Yeah, but it's still enough to, like, annoy. Yeah, it's annoying.
Like, it's enough to assume that if, um, with, with, uh, geography, we did a thing on a cities,
and it was enough to assume that if more black people were called people lived somewhere that it
would be poorer. It's enough to assume that, but it's not levels, like, uh, from what I hear from
America levels. It's, and it's, um, yeah, it's, um, but it also, uh, a Peter thing. It's also,
to counter arguments, it's also kind of strong. It's, because it's, um, it's our cultural heritage.
It's, like, two cultural heritage clashing. It's, like, the more Americanized, like, income of black
people, or, like, the people who came, the, well, they're also Dutch, but like, American ideals
are coming to the Netherlands, and black people living in the Netherlands already have some
problems. And, like, like, she needs to, the straw that breaks the camel's back, it's basically,
like, that, but also, with American ideals, uh, they are coming up into the Netherlands, that is a thing.
Um, and we're in some situations. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. Yeah. Um, so I was, I'm just so
in Germany, like, just recently in Germany, they, they, they, since, uh, the Nazis, they kind of
ignored, and it was assumed that if you were a Nazi, you would get fucking whatever, like, it would just,
it wouldn't be good for you to tell people that you're a Nazi. Well, it turns out that, like,
there was a whole lot of people in the police force, and, um, they, uh, there were immigrants from
Middle Eastern countries that were getting killed, and they just assumed it was those communities,
right? And then it turned out that it was a neo-nazi group that was pretty prevalent in a lot of
the police officers in Germany, where part of this neo-nazi group, like, is it possible that the
Netherlands is having a similar thing? Like, the, the average person is like, well, it doesn't really
happen here because it's normal. It's not, we don't, we don't care about it, but I'm sure there's
people, right? You know what I mean? I didn't know. Yeah. Then again, I'm not very social. So, um,
not sure. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. Either station would, uh, a teacher who was
run darker skin color, and he said, it's just small things throughout the year that can eventually
breaks, comes back, but that's obviously only one person, one perspective. So, I'm not sure. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, we, uh, America depends on where you are. I, you know, I do know people of color here
as we call them, um, who really felt like they haven't faced any issues, and then you have
some people where they felt like it's basically the, defined their entire life here. So, um, I will say
also to contribute to the like, there's a YouTube right-watch who's a very, very, very dark-skinned woman,
and she actually can, uh, and she said, like, there's a little less racism, but it's also like,
they just didn't like to talk about it and Canada, but it's like still there. Yeah, Canada is
just the light. Yeah, she said that's kind of annoying because they just like to pretend they didn't
have the racial issues of America, and so just because they're not as bad as we, they're not there.
So, I wonder if it's like that year or two. Yeah, well, a lot of Canadians that don't even know
that you've got. Yeah. We did have the Netherlands, what's called, uh, well, there was something
if people had a different last name I'd say would. Yeah, if you've had a foreign last name,
yeah. Yeah, they would be less likely to get jobs, and that's also like, um, nobody was the, uh,
to slacha, uh, never. To slacha, uh, the one with, uh, they can't remember. No,
or pretty much, uh, if you had a different last. So, are you saying, like, if someone had, like,
a clearly, like, non-otherlands or non-native name, there would be like, maybe more likely be targeted,
because we have some of that here. Yeah. Well, that's pretty much what happened, and they had to
pay money back afterwards. She had to pay back. That actually only happened last. When I was
from watching the news, probably, what? When I wasn't watching the news, probably, yeah,
I want to look at it. Luckily, not all our problems here in the Netherlands are to do with race,
some are to do with fireworks, because if you don't know, um, uh, right now, uh, it's a
fireworks season or fireworks two days. It kind of build up sometimes, sometimes people.
I'll see you soon. Today. Well, yeah, one day, really. It's, and it's technically to that,
is basically what happens is, I don't know if it's still legal, but it used to be legal,
and then it was made illegal, like, last year, but everyone still set up fireworks, and, um,
this year, people still set up fireworks, but it was not in our, uh, vacuum, not in our little,
three streets. So we just had a little walk around, but people were doing it just a little bit less.
Might be because they didn't build up a lot of stuff. I don't know.
Project, usually it is just loud, but now it's grown, and they don't, what the hospitals,
uh, many times. Yeah. So that's a label now. Yeah, but I, the, the thing, and the problem there is
that people, uh, a lot of people, for instance, in the government, and stuff, are saying that it
should be banned. But a lot of other people are saying it shouldn't be banned. I'm kind of in the middle.
I, I'm kind of for it not being banned, because I really love the feeling of just being able to walk
around and being, um, scared of being able to explode at any second. Kind of, it's a thrill.
It's a thrill. That's an interesting, uh, I would, I would have thought it was an argument against,
but I guess, no, that's an, that's an, that's an argument for, because it's like, yeah, it's
interesting. It's, like, it feels like lightning and stuff. It, like, lights up the sky and thunder everywhere.
Uh, also that could be used as an argument against as well. That's what it's saying. It's kind of funny.
But yeah, because it's definitely not that good for nature. There's literally missed in the air,
sometimes it lights up to look like, uh, today, and, um, and animals are, like, scared,
shit this, basically. So yeah, the big thing here, because we have the same arguments over fireworks.
Also, people shooting guns off their front fractures of thing here. Yeah, that's the less here.
Yeah, people are like, against fireworks. The, uh, not fireworks against, um, guns. Yeah,
the thing is, I, I get annoyed when people are doing fireworks in a neighborhood unless the
house is a really far part, because the thing here in America is, like, you drive out to the country.
So you drive, like, an hour out to the country, you can set out as many damn fireworks as you want,
because no one will be around for miles. So here, people get no excuse. Like, if they're setting
off in their backyard, you're probably in the police. No, and you're not going to have to disagree with
you just a little bit there, because you can't do that across all of America, especially
California, um, certain places in New Mexico. Oh, yeah, I should have said, assuming the places
that are not dense, it's just all right. Obviously, now life, but even still, I mean, in LA,
you can't, well, yeah, that's what I'm pointing out here. You can't go up to the country in California
and shoot out fireworks, because you're going to light something on fire and have the state's
going to burn away. Yeah, I should be careful. The home state actually is basically on fire right now.
I'm sorry. I guess, would you say to some gender reveal parking? Yeah, well, then still comes
down the same thing though. If you're one of any of those dry space, you shouldn't be doing fireworks
period. Yeah. Yeah, like I, uh, it's kind of mean, like it's either California or Australia,
which is on fire, that, right? I have one of them. My brother actually lit our neighbor across
streets yard on fire one year by throwing a firework up in the air and landed over there. And
thankfully, we had a friend run over and stop it out, but uh, yeah, everything's pretty dry over here.
Yeah. And then they're the ones, everything's pretty wet. So wet, that if you don't keep the
dark sweat that they'll break and then everyone is wet and dead and everyone's going to be
pretty pissed that the, that they're right and dead, especially wet. But people can usually swim
if you can't swim then, well, that's a problem. Problem is, is that you can't swim against
the sea. That's the problem. Because like, it's actually a very important part of geography
was very important together with like cities, um, because to know about just water and rivers and
that kind of stuff. Because we have, um, we're basically one big delta, literally, um, in delta's,
delta's are the only places where rivers can kind of break up. Apparently, I don't know why it's
specifically delta's, but um, literally the rain goes into the Netherlands and then splits into
two different rivers. So we're literally just one big delta. And um, we have to deal with that
and with like water and stuff. First we thought, just get the water out of here. But now we
figured out if we'd do that. And then we'll run into problems. Um, uh, let's see if I can remember
those problems. There's like, um, too much water will basically, um, we, you don't have enough water
in the summer when it's dry and you need it and then there's actually, um, and there's more
uh, evapot and spirazzi, which is like a vibration and a transpiration. So you have less water
in, um, summer, even though it rains more. Um, so that, that's then a problem. And you can need to
balance out the water, but you can't just, uh, I'm pretty sure there's like lulls saying you can't,
just chuck the water somewhere else. And it's someone else's problem to deal with. It's your
problem, the water. And you can either keep it in place where it, uh, like, it would rain. You
can either keep it in place where it landed. You can try and, uh, you can put it in another place
or you can transport it away. And that's like the three steps you need to do with water basically.
And there's a whole bunch of stuff to make, uh, rivers more safe. And that can, so, because we can't just
keep increasing the size of the dot exists and speed of the river, because rivers generally want to
do their own thing, but we generally don't want them to do their own things. So we kind of have to
get a compromise. What? Yeah. We were, like I said, we were in the summer, um, in the summer,
and, um, a schooled falkenberg. And that, um, is on the mass, which is also a pretty big river.
But, uh, we actually learned the difference, uh, between them and the rain has, like, a steady, like,
snow layer, which just constantly melts. So it has a constant layer, but, um, on top, and, uh, on top of
that, it's just the variation of, uh, rain water. But the mass only has rain water, which is a problem,
because, um, some places, you, sometimes you can't, you literally just can't, uh, get a boat through the
thing. Um, but other times, other places, um, it floats, and that's not good, and that happened
in a, a place called Falkenberg. And it also happened in Germany and Belgium, and there were actual
deaths and stuff. But the damage was pretty big. And, um, it was pretty bad. Yeah. They had a fixed up
quick. Yeah. We, we already had those kind of problems in the 90s. Um, my grandma said, um, because, um,
her wife used to, um, used to, uh, watch the news during that period, and it was all death, death,
death, and death, because of the rivers flooding. Um, that's the thing people don't realize. It's, um,
the water, we have a pretty complicated relationship with the water, and it's not just the
sea. It's the rivers. It's low-patured. Yeah. Because sometimes we used to water for defense and trade,
like we used, uh, all the way up to the World War II. We used to float, um, the countryside with
water to basically, uh, use it as a defensive measure, and worked really well, except for when it
froze over or you could power shit over. If you got past it, we were basically screwed, but, um,
Walter worked really well as a defensive strategy, because it's the perfect hide for, um,
for like, killing people. Right. We don't have four time problems like that, but we do also have a
complicated relationship with water here, especially when it comes to, uh, dams and usage,
like, take the Rio Grande, for example, because, um, dams and hydroelectric all up and down it.
But by the time you get towards the end of it, towards, um, like, El Paso, where it comes into Texas,
if the Rio Grande is basically non-existent most years, it's almost completely dry,
because it's being, oh, utilized upstream, despite the fact that they're supposed to let
so much through, they really don't. Yeah. That's the problem, but that's more political. That's
something creative by the people. This is something, like, still a holdover from the outside,
it's, it's the thing we have, like, we can't fix it by talking to people and being like,
well, it's really, probably really hard for you, too, with like the dams and stuff in regulations
and blah, blah, blah, blah, and we need that energy and blah, blah, blah. But that, um, one example,
my next example is going to be, um, Katrina, which is a hurricane that's been Houston. Yes,
and took out all of the, um, all there that's not dams, it's, love it. It took out all the levies
there and basically turned Houston into, well, a swamp. Well, it returned Houston to a swamp.
Yeah. Water was the first. Yeah. We'd push the water back and, you know, got ourselves more
land and then, you know, the storm comes in and that ends and then we put the levies back up.
Yeah. If we would have storms like that, we would not have a country because so much,
I, how much of the Netherlands is below sea level? Half of it. Yeah, about half. And you don't even
need to be below sea level to experience problems. It, well, it, it's in a pay, an, an,
a pay is below sea level, right? Yeah, it is. It's half of it below an, a pay or below sea level.
Because an, a pay is normal. I'm, I'm, I'm, about the normal, I'm stumped spell. Basically,
normal, I'm, some more to level. I'm trying to run. It was Harvey that was Houston and, uh, Katrina,
was New Orleans, but certainly. Yeah. Same constant. Yeah, that, that's pretty sucky. You can't,
you have to, yeah, don't know much about how to prepare for that. We don't really have those problems.
Usually it would, like, hit, we, we hope it would, if something like that would even exist.
Every year in Ireland and England first. Every year or two, you know, a good chunk of Florida
just gets wiped out. So. Yep. But they keep rebuilding. We would have the same problem
if we didn't have our dikes and stuff. Like, apparently, England also has the, their coast,
kind of disappears. And they can't do anything about it. And it's like one of the, um,
Tom Scott made a video about it that, like, uh, big cities or stuff are literally sinking
and yeah, it, also with the modern islander, they are literally moving to, uh, it was the east,
and pretty sure it was to the east. We, we have the start of the modern islander, which goes all the way
up to, like, Denmark. Oh, you see, a lot of your cities are sinking, but, um, Chicago, yes, is literally
sinking and they will literally build the roads on top of the roads every year as they sink down.
That's pretty cool to be honest. That gives me a more pork fives. They put, um, the front doors
on the second floor of buildings of new buildings on new ground. So that way, you can think
and eventually the front door will be a ground level. That, that, that's, that's just a more part.
You're literally just describing a more pork. Yeah. Walsher is a problem, but our history is
literally, without our water, say doggy land didn't sink. We wouldn't be the Netherlands.
We would just be an extension of Germany. They are not even sure for a wheel of this above or under.
Yeah, we're like, I'm, was it one meter above sea level or one meter above and a bay?
Because I don't know, and that was also when I was at sea level. And it's a big difference
once the dikes break, because with rising sea levels, um, there is a point where we can't fight
it anymore. And some people have suggested literally just cutting off the North Sea, which might
actually be necessary if we want to survive. But the main thing to do is land was underwater.
Yeah, because the problem here at the whole west of the country is so everything's attached to
the sea. It's pretty much a city stuff. And yeah, this will more solid might survive.
They've just got a little pounds here and there. Yeah, we built our places in the most
economical place, economical being middle ages, economical, which is boats. And it actually works
out pretty well. We've got roster damage. It's the biggest harbour in Europe for such a tiny
country, such a big harbour. It says lots about countries and harbors. Yeah, and we're actually
expanding it, just expanding the land in the harbour to make new harbour. Because we're
reduction, that's what we do. We made an entire new province, just from draining the sea. But without
our water, we wouldn't be, we wouldn't have our economy would sink with collapse, would not be
very great. With the water, and if the water gets too much, we would die. We would not exist anymore,
and, well, yeah, what can you do against it? You can't swim. There's a reason the delta works
were built, and it was because of breaking of the dams and stuff. Great floods. There was a great
flood in, I don't know. I think it was a 50th day somewhere. In the last century before this century,
right when a TV became more popular. Yeah, I think it was the 50s. There was a big massive,
yeah, there was a big massive flood in the Zeeland, which is like the Zeeland, which makes a new
Zeeland new. That's Zeeland. What? The original Zeeland. The original Zeeland. It's a province,
not a country, and it does actually exist. Zeeland lots of memes be like that Zeeland doesn't exist.
And for once, they spell Zeeland, the Zeeland is like wrong. The spell in the Anglo-sized way,
it's actually Z-E-E-L-A-N-D. I'll type it like that. Might have made a spelling mistake who knows.
I don't think I did, though. Is that the original?
No, because I know, like New Zealand, they render it with an A before the L.
Yeah, but that's just New Zealand. It's got two E's, because it basically says Zeeland.
It's the land of the C, because it's like basically strips of land and water intertwined.
If you look at a map, it's the south-west corner, basically, of the Netherlands,
just pull up a map and then, like, Netherlands provinces or something, and then, yeah, or just
look up Zeeland. And it's the south-west province. And basically, there's a lot of pollders,
which are like bits of C drained away, bits of water, which were drained away and protected with
dikes and stuff. And there's lots, lots of stuff there, basically, and lots of water, which is very important.
Now, the dikes are supposed to keep the water out, but there was, there are two things which happened
that day. And one was a spring flute, and the other was a storm flute. Those are both floods.
A storm flood is pretty obvious, there's a storm, and it blows the water towards the land.
The spring flute is basically translated as jump flood. Basically, the moon is in such a position
where it heightens the water more than usual. Oh, I think it's in line with the sun or something.
Yeah, it's the lunar tide. It's the, yeah, high tide, and in line with the sun or something. And
basically, a greater gravitational pull, so it's higher. And those two happened at the exact same time.
But I'm looking at photos. But yeah, that was the moment when the Netherlands thought
we have enough with the, we're, and we're going to fix it right now. And they did.
There were, there were two major, two major water-stopping things.
And there's the stuff around the Isomir, and there's the Delta Works.
The Delta Works were, I'm pretty sure they were the only ones in response, specifically to this,
or much of being both. But the Delta Works are like, if you've seen any cool opening
stuff in the Netherlands, it's probably there.
Those are the ones that open shock. Yeah, there's like massive slew skates, which usually are open,
but when it storms or when there's a flood, something in it'll close.
Basically, that's a really cool way of making it possible because the Zealand was basically
like the loss of trade, of course, because loss of water. And loss of fishing. And we noticed
when we were making, when we were trying the Zerder say, which is the South Sea into the Isomir,
that a loss of fish died in the making of that lake, because it turned from salty to
not salty. And basically, they didn't want that happening in Zerder, and so they made
like big massive doors for water and stuff, so that the water, yes, so that it
there wouldn't be such a thing again. And has worked until now. So yeah, and there's also
in the Isomir, I've been mentioning the Isomir, but basically the South Sea used to be a very
treacherous sea, and there would be a couple little islands there with like villages and stuff.
And I actually don't live to my school is like in a village. Well, it's a bit bigger now than
used to be, but it used to be like coastal village. But they built a massive, massive
dike in between, north or longs, and, and, and, uh, freestyle, which is, um, the, uh, the last, uh,
the last place of the Freeza, the old people used to live, um, here in the Netherlands, uh, from
the Roman times, even. Yeah, that it's pretty cool, but they're also pretty weird,
speak their own weird language, um, which is actually fun fact. The closest current language to English
apparently, and the second closest is Dutch, I'm pretty certain. So that's, that's a cool fun fact,
but, um, they built that dike, and they planned to dry the whole thing, to make the whole thing dry,
uh, instead they just made flavolans, which is like, there's two big ones, two big parts of it.
There's like, um, the little bottom parts and the top part and the top part is connected to
the rest of the country, um, just with land and the other part is just like, has a little bit of
bulge in between, um, and they just literally made the 12th province. They just were like, we're going
to make that. And there's now a nature, um, there's actually really cool nature thing there,
because they planned to make a whole factory thingy, but that, um, that I, there was, uh, not put
into action. So now there's just swamp, and we actually get to have eagles and stuff. So it's,
that's some pretty cool side effects. Yeah. There were guys who don't know more about
facing because I can talk a little bit about that as well. I'm not even talking enough.
So if I'm not mistaken, you're talking about fizzling, right? Uh, our fusion that's, um,
I'm thinking that's one of the ancestor languages for English. Yeah. Well, I think, I know,
it's very similar. Yeah. It's from the same kind of family. Like, English is the weird kind of
cousin, like, which, which technically is part of the, of the Germanic family, but like, very much,
um, like, very much is inspired by, by, uh, Romanized languages. Like, there's a very heavy
Norman influence. It's like, um, old English makes together with, um, with Norman, uh, with, with, with
French, Norman French, and um, there was another one. Can't remember exactly, and then a little bit
of, uh, Dutch in there as well. Um, yeah. So the, it's, it's, it's, it's, uh, like, all the languages
clump together in a big mess, which nobody can really understand. So it's technically the
closest related and stuff. So it's technically still part of the family. And where the closest
related one, so the Dutch and the fusion. Do you know, actually, the fusion's get down
in language, but the, but, um, the, um, the, um, the deaf people don't. And there's actually,
like, um, uh, there's actually a very, like, good reasons, uh, why, um, uh, about our, um, signing
sign language. Um, we already have, like, a Dutch sign language. It's just not an official language yet,
and, um, apparently my mother, uh, who can speak sign language and shnake and also speak
sign language. And now she's, she'll speak sign language a bit. Well, thank you,
shnake. Um, now you said that there is not an official Dutch. It's sign language. It's not an official
language. It's not that I used, like, DSL then or ASL. Uh, I think. Well, we use Dutch sign language.
So it is a different sign language, uh, yeah, which we just use in Netherlands, but it's not,
I think, well, part of the trend, it's not registered, uh, official language. But it should,
there's literally, when press conferences, there's someone signing on the side doing, like,
all the signing hand wavey stuff being like, um, sign language. And with all those press conferences
with COVID, she's just being there. She's been doing the sign language stuff. So there's literally
no reason why it shouldn't be an official language. What reason is, like, it's only people in
Friesland who speak it or conductors who are often in Friesland. But they're usually
Friesland too. So yeah, it's, it's a, it's a bit unfair. So hopefully that'll get rectified soon.
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