This is Hacker Public Radio Episode 3,814 for Thursday, the 16th of March 2023.
Today's show is entitled 22,223 new years show Episode 3.
It is part of the series HP or New Year's show.
It is hosted by HP or volunteers and is about 121 minutes long.
It carries an explicit flag.
The summary is 22,223 new years show where people come together and chat.
Didn't you just go make coffee?
No, I took the 10 minute AFMFK to go have water drip.
Being a judge, you gotta make everything creepy.
I know.
I felt like I was starting to smell because I did walk 50.
Question.
Were you jogging?
Neera?
You're out jogging?
I'm not out jogging.
You know, I try to jog, but my legs all met.
Try to walk is at least 10 minutes.
Oh, I used to.
Another thing that grew with my boss, not early in my career is the security.
We had these big detects and clocks.
You had to go sick of key and then when you turn the key and it would make a mark on
a paper disk.
The paper disk would be turned by the clock.
Well, early in my career, when I was much younger and far more foolish, I said, wait a minute,
the best security for this operation is not to go from any regular pattern, but is to
bounce, bounce around and do basically a drunkards walk all over the property.
Now, this is theoretically true.
However, the client and my boss were used to beating the pattern of a regular, of a fairly
regular or a subset of, you know, going building a, b and c up and you go to the top and you go
floor by floor and whatever, very, very sequential standard route actually doing it random was a little
out of there we'll have.
So, so I ended up just going, you know, we had a half dozen patterns and they became
recognizable and everybody was happy even if they didn't provide too much here.
Oh, I have about a gallon and a half a melting and a ton of chocolate powder if I get
desperate before it's time to hit the cavity.
Black toast intolerant.
I guess I might have developed him, but I read a tree hug and hippie became, it became a vegetarian,
but also over time almost become vegans.
I prefer oat milk.
But if I have too much dairy, I believe.
Well, I can understand that, unfortunately, the only vegetarian that I had much to do with was my
former friend who triggered my PTSD as a, as a test of my life here.
Also, if you got her PhD without getting a master, that's a warning sign, folks.
Good flag.
Uh, no more like an entire Kremlin thank you.
Uh, she was a liberal and she had a PhD.
I did not graduate college and I was conservative.
I was also the patient.
Since she knew everything there was to know about my curricular situation, including how
I should air condition a house that's impossible to air condition in a payboard, I should
rewire a house on social security.
Yeah.
And many other miraculous things, uh, my anything that I said came out as a distortions
or otherwise incorrect, basically heresy because she was a liberal and
she, and I was someone that could be managed by a liberal, by liberal.
Also, my first problem was the hydration, or we're going to those sessions.
And one time in part street, I collapsed because I was dehydrated.
And the empties came and I spent overnight in the hospital.
Thank goodness I was carrying water with because the hospital would not allow me to
take anything by mouth so that I could get hydrated again.
So I actually had to hydrate myself with my own water much at the time because
they couldn't get approval for me to take anything.
But my drink did not find the fact that I had weak vital signs to be registered.
The, uh, I believe the empties would have were of a different opinion.
This is why I ended up in the university hospital.
The second, uh, I would in order to endure her treatment.
I was suppressing myself to a high degree.
And the second time I collapsed trying to get to her, her layer.
Um, I sort of decided, uh, maybe this treatment ain't good for me.
An interesting parallel was that I got feet, feet, TSD across the dinner table,
talking to my father, who was graduate of a high school in West Virginia
around the end of World War II.
Now the interesting thing is that the graduate from the high school and the graduate
from the PhD program, both believe that they knew everything they watched
to know.
And if I just listened to them, everything would go wonderfully,
especially if I didn't talk back.
So I was being treated by a rigid psych, psychologist,
for being raised by a rigid gentleman.
Also, when one Monday morning I entered her office,
this is what triggered my PTSD,
entered her office.
And he wanted me to justify the Orlando attack on a gay club.
Since I was known to, uh, believe that the second amendment was,
was a reasonable thing.
And I gave her several reasons that a legal ownership of firearms
was perfectly okay if they were used properly.
But under her interrogation, I ended up getting rather emotional.
Which she found quite interest, but she did not believe in giving court.
Now, so I set down and my PTSD took over,
which the, which trained by my father,
I have under PTSD conditions.
I can have a very sharp tongue.
And that's all that happened, but it was not fun.
Because the surviving veteran is a very toxic part of my personality.
Yeah, I had anxiety attacks earlier in my,
what before I was doing security and stuff,
I had anxiety and stuff.
I was raised by a nasty alcoholic family.
But my dad, who was raised by someone who believed in physical discipline,
raised a strap style.
He was more sophisticated.
He would melt you down emotionally with job logic.
And then he could say, I never laid a hand on you.
But it was true, but not necessarily very relevant when you were,
you know, when you were about to know your arm off to get away.
And of course, I've been a little dunchy of drinks ever since.
And when I was about to start looking again for further treatment,
our friend, COVID, children.
Yeah, slow response.
Helping a friend and telegram,
he's sending me pictures of his Android TV not connecting.
Probably.
Probably.
Thunderbolt.
And like tents,
for everyone to get support.
No, you're a staff for the cat.
That's pretty much it.
If you look through YouTube,
you'll find that many projects,
whether they're farming,
hot rotting, whatever,
a lot of them include significant free lines of provision.
Absolutely good for now.
She's going up to her room,
which she used to be the guest room.
Yeah, that reminds me.
We had a cat here, little gray,
children here.
And my mother had a wedge-tile in white,
spits across 50 pounds.
And the cat gave me either a cat,
soaking with.
And when I would,
when I would take that dog for a walk,
the cat would walk along with it.
Most of the time.
Sometimes she would pick her spot,
but let us walk up by
and wait until we were coming back to the house.
But it was fun to walk the cat,
and the dog to get.
The dog was on release.
The cat was.
But when the cat was in the house.
If she wanted to sleep under my mother's bed,
the dog was.
If she wanted to sleep in the dog's bed,
the dog must be set.
My dogs are the same way.
Our cat had our dog pussy with.
But that's like a little cat,
and was perfectly willing to use them if necessary.
That's fairly standard cat dog behavior
when the dog is not allowed to eat that cat.
I really like my friend's problem.
Apparently, he can't see anything.
He's going to be in the house.
I've not heard anything good about AT&T
to be perfectly honest with you.
I think if I had it,
and that may be of,
I would pop up first,
and I, you know,
I like to use a V-sure of their router.
Meanwhile, I've been,
probably hate me typing for you.
I have a 10 set up on this old laptop for reading news groups.
I just subscribed to that news group.
The sort of therapy for access abman.
And, uh, I was like, oh, you know, I, for some reason,
I can't reply.
I can't follow up to these, to these posts.
I was like, well, you know, I probably should set this up in,
in Neumut and just have it in my, in my mail browser.
Uh, this is an example, again,
of where the documentation is just rubbish.
Um,
the documentation on both sides,
on my, on my username provider,
and on my, on Neumut side.
Here are the things you can fill out.
And it's like, okay.
And I have an example, please,
of how I might set this up.
You know, this is ridiculous.
Well, they did say that that group is moderated,
so that makes it fun.
No.
It, what's happening?
Because I can't reply to any groups and on e-max, I can.
So,
Genus has some additional magic that it's doing.
It makes this work properly.
I'm trying to do it in 10 and then Neumut.
So, essentially, what's happening is I can read my,
my news groups read only.
I just can't post to them,
which means somewhere along the line,
the authentication is failing.
Uh, but I don't really understand why,
because in my news or file,
everything is correct.
Uh,
according to the documentation provided by my username provider.
So,
this is just a case of one of these programs is lying,
because this works with canoes.
It just doesn't work with
pin or neumut.
And I need to understand where in there,
sort of authentic case,
in authentication procedure,
have I not filled in the correct thing,
basically.
It's very annoying.
There we go.
This is what you get for trying to use,
you know,
ancient technology on more modern machines.
They're just not set up for it.
They work around.
Hey, can't put in that fixed for me.
Heck no.
Heck no, Joe.
Oh, it's not Joe, isn't it?
I'm literally Joe.
He's Joe.
I saw.
I just had to go hack now, Joe,
because I'm sorry.
We've got Joe's in our group.
And like now.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Let's let you.
We should pimp out.
We're with tech and coffee.
Oh, go.
The old Google plus group that that used to be big.
Now we're just only a couple dozen of it.
Still.
I can coffee.
Yep.
Do you remember us?
Some people do.
No.
We're not this famous George.
This isn't the Google plus days.
Well, no, but we've had people join us.
It's like, I think I remember this in Google plus.
Yes, we were semi.
Second coffee.
I'm Google plus back in Google plus days.
We had one of the biggest.
It's dead.
So, so are we.
Wait, what?
Back in the dawn of time when telegraphs and telegrams were still common.
I belong to a alternate lifestyle group
that would be faded great today.
And Yahoo had a lot of groups of people of similar interests.
And they decided to shut down their chat groups.
And a lot of the people from Yahoo joined the bulletin board.
I was on.
It was fairly universally.
Hope these jobs would return to Yahoo.
Yeah, to two to a piece and stuff.
And we've done this actually.
We've done this in Google plus days.
We had an IRC room.
We have discord that links back to our telegram.
So, who don't want to join telegram can go to our and then.
Yeah, and then we have telegram to the heart of them.
Telegram bridge for discord.
Yep.
Yeah, we're using.
We're using.
It's a cold.
I know.
I know.
I can find it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it just don't attack bridge.
I can run them.
Yeah.
Teddy Cross.
It's called.
But the plan is next year.
This upcoming year.
I will basically sit down and we're going to use a matrix room as a conderate room.
Because unfortunately telegram does a very silly thing.
Or a very sensible thing depending on how you look at it.
But basically when you bridge into telegram, it's a bot.
And the problem with that is you can't bridge multiple things in because bots can't talk to other bots.
So if somebody messaged him from discord and the discord bot posted the message and telegram.
If we bridge telegram to IRC, the people on IRC would not get that message because the bot would not talk to the other bot.
They would ignore each other's messages.
So instead we're going to set up.
We've got a matrix room.
And we will basically have everything feed into there because matrix handles.
Integrations much more sensibly and create users for them as opposed to bots.
So you can have multiple things.
IRC, discord, telegram, etc.
All funneling into matrix and it will actually feed back to every single connected service.
Just so that we can have one place for everyone to come in because I'm more of an IRC user.
If I'm telegram annoying, I like to not be notified of messages.
I like to just have it sat there idly.
I turn off all notifications.
That's the first thing I do with every group including our own.
Yeah, I love them all, but I'm sorry.
I need to sleep.
It gets to be too much.
No, I understand because I have a telegram and a discord.
Everything else.
And yeah, they're the reason that my phone automatically goes on silent at 10.
And yeah, I don't get things from telegram at all anymore.
So tired of it.
They put your URL in there if anybody wants to check it out or join or when people are usually friendly in there.
We do have a, we do have two maintained public rooms.
Well, one semi public.
And we have roast bot.
So you have about five minutes.
But we also have another one called Thunderdome.
And so the main room, we don't allow public.
We don't around politics and religion to be talking.
So, yeah, it's just basic text stuff.
And then the other one, it's Thunderdome.
You can talk about anything you want.
And you can post anything you want.
And if you don't like it, you just leave.
Well, you should have one of my podcasts listed there on the podcast page.
Oh, do we?
Oh, HPR.
So, mint cast.
Yeah, no, moss is one of our key members in tech and.
Oh, cool.
That's why it's there because, you know, if anybody has a,
if anybody in our group has podcasts,
as a matter of even if they just interact in it slightly,
we just throw it on there in the front.
Awesome.
So because, you know, I interact with a lot of HPR people.
I just, through you.
Yeah, you got to show up first digest full circle magazine.
All moss is stuff pretty much.
Moss, Moss, Moss, he likes to be cool.
Yeah, we have a couple of Linux lads that hang out in tech and coffee.
We're more of a generic tech thing, so we don't like, you know,
I mean, I'm pretty much Linux evangelist,
but I don't, you know, forcing you to talk anything.
You want to talk windows, whatever, coffee.
Should we go on a sham's club here in a minute?
Can you pick me up some cells where I'm almost out.
I'm just kidding.
I have no idea. I've never been ever before.
Awesome.
Awesome.
That was awesome.
It's just, Walmart, but with big boxy type fail to it.
Well, there are some things that it's just painted by in bulk,
but I was going over there,
inventory online, and yeah,
there's definitely some things that are missing.
Can't believe they're freaking price at eggs right now.
Oh, yeah, everything's good.
Luckily, this stuff I normally eat has pretty much stayed the same
or go on down, where it used to be the more expensive.
I'm okay. The rest of you.
Well, surprisingly, well, egg cartons have like doubled
or tripled in price.
The cartons of egg whites is stayed roughly the same.
I'm trying to think that the one liquid fake vegan egg,
it's pretty good, actually.
I can't think of the name of it.
I guess I can picture the bottle in my head.
I know the one you're talking about.
Yep, yep.
That's tough.
Awesome.
To me, it tastes just like eggs,
but if I eat real eggs, you'd kill me.
Yeah, I know the one you're talking about, and I think it's
stayed roughly the same price.
Yeah, it's always been about four dollars, one target.
Well, yeah, it's about half the size of the egg whites bottle.
And it kind of looks like a decent size bottle on mustard.
Yeah, they have the folded over ones in the frozen section.
So you're going to put in sandwiches or it looks like
you go into an egg McMuffin.
I'm sorry. I think I got us off technology altogether.
Oh, no.
It's still a good topic.
I mean, the show goes on for a really long time.
So you know, you got to kind of spread things out.
No, I was going to branch from there and be like, well,
because I tend to do a lot of low fat items.
I tend to try out at least some of the vegan stuff.
So I'm going to ask right now.
Is one of you either G-love or is one of you what?
Well, two people just follow Tekken Coffee.
And if it's one, also we have Hacker G and G-love.
And toward up Fedora Red Hat followed Tekken Coffee.
Just within the last five minutes.
And if it's any one of you, I'll follow you back.
I followed a minute ago, but that should be Joe.
Hold on.
I have toward up at puto gspot.llo and G-love at same place
and Hacker G at Hacker Zonedet.
Early I did it under my name.
I mean, here, I'll join as the midcast.
Well, I think the problem is, too,
is between servers.
It takes some time.
Some people tell me they join and I see it like 10 minutes late.
I could join as Tekken Route or as a Teknaut.
So if you want admin on a lot of crap on Facebook.
Oh, is this Facebook you're talking about?
Yeah, we do have a Facebook entity, too.
Yeah.
No, be.
I'm talking.
I'm talking master.
Oh, that up on master.
Yeah, the Facebook one.
One or two of us admin for a while.
But, you know, they have lives.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Password vault that Kieran actually set up.
And some admins have access to that stuff.
So if they felt they wanted to do the,
I mean, I might jump in every once in a while.
But, but yeah, I don't know how the Facebook looks like.
Yeah, I should probably be doing more with midcast's Facebook page.
I've kind of faded away from Facebook in the last couple of years
because well, it's Facebook.
Yeah.
I might be there.
I just gave up on it because I felt like I was doing it quite a bit
until Google Plus came out.
And then, I don't know, my family's all on there.
So I would jump in every month, but I don't know.
I became annoying.
I'm sure a massive animal do the same to me.
Both be setting up a new admin in the Facebook page anyway.
So it changed everything.
We had a real problem with Facebook, actually, because we have a Facebook group
and a Facebook page. And because of how we set it all up originally,
the page is owned by the group.
And basically, this is something that Facebook has since changed
and don't do any more and stuff like that.
And basically, it means that we can't access certain administrative features
because they just never thought about how to migrate old pages away from this structure.
And you just, like, they clearly don't care. Not like historical pages and stuff.
Yeah.
That awful, awful.
And we, we have been pimping out every chance I get.
I pimped out HPR on the massodon, I'll pimped you out.
Now, I just need you guys to wear a tube top and put them in.
Always with the love of any scouts.
Pleather, not leather.
Oh, sorry. Yeah, of course, vegan.
Seeing if anyone's awake at this.
Just, why are you vegan?
Oh, I married a hippie, kind of.
She was really into, she was a vegetarian from teams up.
She just brought up in California.
I probably, she passed away seven years ago,
so I probably could have stopped doing it, but I kept doing it.
I'm that way in a awesome kind of hippie.
I was a vegan for two years,
and I was a vegetarian for about four or five years.
And it is a, you know, why several reasons.
One, I had a vegetarian girlfriend at the time,
and it was cheaper to cook one set of meals.
Vegetarianism is generally cheaper.
Yeah, the reason I stopped was just because I liked to travel a lot,
and a lot of the best food that, you know,
is culturally important that you want to try
when you travel somewhere often contains meats.
And, you know, I, I don't eat much meats in my day-to-day life.
I do have the moment because I'm not my parents,
and they don't, you know, they, they have a lot of meat in their diet,
whatever, but generally speaking,
I like to be able to go somewhere and try
be sort of, you know, what is considered a,
a state or dish.
So it makes sense.
I still avoid beef mostly,
because just beef's environmental impact is devastating.
But other meats, I'm not really that bothered,
like chicken and stuff like that.
Yeah, it's, it is what it is.
Okay, I was just wondering.
Yeah, I know.
I think in both of our cases, it's women.
Yeah, both of our women are lives.
I mean, geez, I mean, I had to do this, you know,
but my wife used to love to cook because.
So, so, and I was, when I went to school,
I was, I went to school near the CIA
culinary institute of America, central agency,
but I went to school at Maris College.
And, you know, I, muscle my friends knew how to cook and do things.
And so, roaming and living with some of them,
you kind of knew how to, like, you know,
I knew how to properly use knives, all this stuff,
even though I didn't go to school there.
So, I learned to cook pretty well.
I mean, yeah, we didn't say chef like,
but I mean, at least, I knew what I was doing.
And when she would cook, it was okay,
but I was like, let me do that.
So, when I had to cook, I'm not going to cook two meals,
like Karen said, I'm going to cook one meal for both of us.
It's much easier and said it's making one for me one not.
When we were eating though,
I wasn't vegan or vegetarian,
but around the time we got married,
I just made it easier because I did,
I'm going to say 90% of the cooking,
made her lunches, I made me lunches,
I worked from home for years.
So, I'd make pack her lunch and make her a coffee
and send her on her way and not going to go
by a two to a supermarket.
Almost anything that she could pull out of the refrigerator,
she could eat.
So, that's kind of like, you know, for a woman,
we did it for women.
I was going to say, I was going to say exactly the same position
like my ex-girlfriend,
when we moved in together,
it was like, she didn't really know how to cook
or do anything like that.
And I had some basic knowledge,
so it was kind of like, well, I'm lazy.
I'm not cooking twice.
So, we're just going to, we're going to have,
vegetarian meals and that's just going to be what we do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I have some specific dietary requirements for myself.
It's basically, well,
most of them have the exact opposite dietary requirements
because they're underweight and
I'm trying not to be overweight.
But like my son,
we keep feeding him and feeding him and he keeps staying
under like 10% body fat,
which isn't healthy when you're 12.
So, I cook my meals my way,
and at the same time I'm cooking my meals,
I'm cooking their meals their way.
I do cook everything twice, actually.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I did that a little bit so much.
It one way.
That way.
Nobody argue.
I don't agree with me anyway.
I do think there's a difference between having
like specific dietary requirements for health reasons
and a dietary choice like vegetarian and whatever.
If you have allergies and stuff like that,
it's like extremely important that you make sure
everything is separated out and don't do everything.
Whereas it would be perfectly feasible to make two meals
one with me to one without,
especially if you carefully plan what meals you're making
and make something where the meat can be added
or something alternative can be added.
And that's how you kind of,
with calories and stuff,
particularly good for that kind of thing.
But yeah, if you've got sort of dietary requirements,
it gets a bit more complicated and quite often you end up having
to separate things.
Yeah, that's right.
With the whole, I would probably be vegan now,
and most of my house, as far as this stuff I buy.
But the only reason I'm vegetarian is very similar
to why I eat meat again is because I,
if I go out with friends,
I mean, I was like, I'm in a south.
90% of the stuff I can eat in most restaurants,
vegetarian,
there's very rarely a vegan option.
So I can at least do vegetarian,
because it's got cheese.
I don't want to ask too many questions.
Yeah, I can understand why it would be a little bit hard
to verify that everything was vegan.
Yeah.
And the one that gets me is that there are different
interpretations of veganism.
So there are some vegans who won't eat,
for example, honey,
because they consider that to be,
you know, an animal product and a product of animal suffering
and whatever.
And I was always one of those people.
I never add a problem with honey,
like even when I was vegan,
I was like, I don't really see how a natural buy product
of bees,
which they would produce no matter what,
is going to be a problem.
You know, I don't really understand that.
I see much more argument in fact,
for not eating things like avocado,
especially in Europe,
where it doesn't grow naturally
in most of Europe and Northern Europe,
particularly.
And you've got to ship it all sorts of places,
and, you know, yeah,
then we've got loads of bees having to keep them,
keep them,
probably in its ridiculous.
If either one of you had said
that it was the ethics about veganism,
it had been an entirely different conversation,
and it never ceases to amaze me
how the ethical vegans
and not to think about,
you know,
the consequences of the actions that they want.
The only way to be ethically vegan
is to only eat produce from your local area.
If you're really concerned,
specifically about environmentalism.
Well, yeah,
environmentalism.
But, you know,
the whole issue is is that,
you know,
you're talking about,
when it comes to environmentalism,
you have all these livestock that are an issue.
A lot of vegans,
and the whole thing is is all we shouldn't be killing animals,
but then you don't want there to be a market
for all this livestock that's already there.
So what you went on the farmers to kill all their livestock?
Yeah,
and I'm going to continue to pay for them
if the livestock's not going to make them money.
The fan to the fan,
the fan to the other side,
the way that the entire system is set up
is to cater to an omnivorous diet.
And that's fine.
I believe that you can,
and I believe that possibly we should be reducing the amount of meat we eat,
but more important,
because I come at it like more of an environmental perspective.
We should be reducing the amount of
the imported food.
Oh, yeah.
It's like, you know, like I say,
I mean, I live in Northern Europe.
I live in Germany.
We don't grow avocados in Germany.
They're not from here.
They're in, and we import so much stuff,
and the one that gets me is when you get like,
a box of pre-cut carrots.
It's a plastic box.
And the carrots were grown in France,
which is fine.
We have no border with France,
but very close.
It comes over on a train,
lovely.
But it was packaged in Singapore.
So it goes from France to Singapore to Germany.
France to Singapore.
They're back to Germany.
We're only 2,000 kilometers down the road.
You could have just chucked them.
Yeah, I'll give you a plastic box if you like.
There are some interesting studies there about
the amount of methane that cows produce,
and the best way is to actually reduce that
isn't to just, you know,
kill off all the cows.
It's to change what they're eating from
feeder corn,
which is actually extremely bad for the land,
but everm it subsidizes it,
which is why most farmers tend to either grow feeder corn or soy.
If you switch it away from feeder corn
and move it to something like seaweed,
then just that change in diet would greatly reduce
the amount of overall emissions from farming.
Yeah.
My whole perspective on all this kind of thing is
there are people out there who know much more about
this stuff than me,
and I will leave them to it.
Because I don't know.
I was at one time,
and I will farm boy.
Granted at one time,
I also lived in Germany.
I started kindergarten in early 80s, so mid-80s.
That's a key to the amount of amounts where you
in Germany.
I heard they're good now, aren't they?
Okay, yep.
Well, I wasn't there for long,
I was only there for three years.
Right.
Yeah, my brother seemed to like to
time in Germany.
It is a very nice place in general.
I knew that specifically
because the UK's tech industry kind of
fell apart after we left the European
society.
Well,
he had a couple of bits of excitement.
One, he was driver or co-driver
on a five-ton record.
And for some reason,
it couldn't stay on the road,
and it decided to go on-brain.
Off over.
I don't know what it takes to total
a five-ton military record,
but I suspect it's substantial.
Yes.
Connolly,
I'm sure we'd hear about it.
You'd be surprised.
And the end of his tour is exit from Germany.
Was it celebrated by being put on guard duty
when the East Germans decided to try their luck
at coming over the wire.
Very high explosives,
and so on.
I think he's done it.
I think he's done it.
I think he's done it.
I think he's done it.
I think he's done it.
I think he's done it.
I think he's done it.
I think he's done it.
I think he's done it.
Very high explosives, and so I think he's done it.
And my brother, a peaceful,
my old manard mechanic,
was one of the stuff we got
is to praise the alarm
and to act these unwanted guests.
So, once something like that happens
by brothers,
exit from Germany was expedited,
and the captured farm person
out, we're handed over to the German authorities.
I don't know where they were,
but as he was signing off,
my brother,
allegedly heard that these gentlemen
got lost on their way to jail.
The German authorities
having a limited sense of humor
when somebody tries to disturb a person
to feel away.
So, these people just faded off into the night.
Without further bothering
the German authorities,
except perhaps picking up their brass
and reloading their weapons.
Yeah, it was part of the cold war
that wasn't quite as cold as those people.
I suspect there was a lot of stuff
that didn't make the papers.
Yeah, they were also things
that would have made the papers in Germany
or in East Germany.
There wouldn't have made the papers elsewhere.
To all depend on what's convenient
and proper to show your particular audience
and the rest of it needs to stay hidden.
One of the things that I found from YouTube
was a peculiar provisioning problem
that the allies took advantage of.
The Russians evidently did not provide
toilet paper for their crew.
So, the Russians tended to use
the communications forms for toilet paper.
Now, since this communication forms
were usually interesting communications
if you're an ally in intelligence person type.
Some poor, unarmed, unwanted,
unlawed, British persons
had to go through Russian tribes
and pick up their use to communicate
their twice-use communications forms
despite of them having
an odor-notty roads applied.
Also, I understand that after re-unification
some of these gentlemen went back to the village
and the Eastern part of Germany
and had a nice chat with some of the civilians
who helped them on their way
when they were trying not to disturb
the East German authorities or the Russian authorities.
But the Germans welcomed them quite warmly
after re-unification.
When it just as they had back under
in the battle days when these people were much younger
and things were much more dangerous.
It was an interesting little bit of history.
It also said, provide toilet paper for your troops
and burn your dam, use sensitive document.
Evenness in me, I've sent him, Dr. Steph, this is the 18th.
I just said, here's a TNT's number.
Have them look at me.
Besides, it's rainy out.
I don't want to go anywhere.
Somewhere, I was reading about somebody
doing tech support, got a phone call.
There was just emergency
where someone was waving an eye for
around in the server.
I don't know.
That's a breakdown, whatever.
And the guy on the telephone said,
well, this will just take a minute.
Sorry, I can't help you.
Somebody's acting up in the server.
Well, this will just take a minute.
No.
Not quite.
I'm creating a pimple.
Yeah, I try to get peace at this point.
Of course.
Back in my days of disability guard,
things were occasionally deciding,
especially when you're wandering around
below or levels of the parking garage.
A weasel with racing stripes
decides to come across your path.
So that tended to change my patrol.
You left me alone.
I left Siebner for her.
And then there was the one that I wrote up
at our logbook.
I said, well,
which particular bit of herman had a room
with forged stickers.
Yeah.
But here we had all kinds of wildlife.
Go.
Come through our area of responsibility.
One fall we would have a pleasure to fill up.
So, you know what?
Yeah, probably talk about.
I got it.
So, what distance?
Well, a lot of us are supposed to
mint your goodness.
In fact, one of the gentlemen.
Sometimes seen around here,
podcasts about it on a mint podcast.
Yeah, I've been using mint.
Yeah, so I like mint freedom from snaps.
And I've used Linux light.
I think I used Sparky for a time.
And I want to of course.
Of course.
Yeah.
So, what do you think about it?
I think it was a red hat.
Maybe you tried to blackware.
You know, stuff I got out of books.
Yeah, I was running in 386.
Essex 40.
Wow.
That's back.
Well, the Essex 386 was a scam.
Now, in Essex 40, it was a racing.
And I had full 16 megabytes of memory.
Oh, wow. I built them in AMD 133.
I think I had three because I had.
I started with eight.
And it helped me.
I was flying.
And of course, I used this tower.
And I was living in.
I was living at home.
Well, I bought a little higher called note.
Would sell you.
I bought a case.
Not thinking because I knew I needed more
Bays.
So, I ordered the largest case they had.
And when it got to was at school,
I'm this is college.
I called back my mom.
Did you order a child's coffin?
What looks like that?
Our door right.
Yes.
Yes, I did.
Yeah, I think that had like 10, 10 or 12 Bays.
I mean, it was tall.
It's taller than Mike.
And I only used like two of them.
So what made everybody is two?
Heated windows and went right into
Linnick around 95.
But I still supported most of my friends.
Well, there was much later for me.
I mean, I think it was the D.
And somewhere in there where I finally made the last switch over.
But it was because that was what the thing was
The Windows 8 era.
About the 8.1, but 8.
And I just got annoyed with Windows.
And I was playing it.
I was in college at the time.
And I'm planning on, you know, working in technology.
And it was show over to Linnick so that I could learn it easier.
Well, I was quite happy with Windows 7.
And Microsoft was not happy with it.
I did.
I went to choose my operating system among other things.
So when they started doing all of their,
See, we're going to click to the Windows 10 type
Humanigans.
I said, well, I've got to very deep the hardware
rather lightweight.
But I will move, you know,
I will, I don't like what I'm hearing about Windows 10.
And I don't like to be strong,
but I had gotten my Ethernet network
basically at the time.
So I decided that I would go,
you'll finally jump to Linnick.
That's what happens.
That's what happened.
That's what I went from Windows 11 to Linnick.
And I know, I know Kieran was born with the Linux computer.
In the correct.
I was, I was a Windows boy.
I was born in 94.
So my first operating system that I interacted with
was around 1998.
My parents had Windows 95.
I was raised on that.
And then, yeah, Windows 95 was a 98.
We skipped 2000 a millennium edition when straight to XP.
And then Windows 7, actually I had Vista on my first personal laptop.
And then I was excited experiment with things like Ubuntu,
Red Hat, and that kind of thing.
But never got very far with it.
And then when I was in university,
my roommate in uni,
because I was, you know, in a halls.
He was studying computer science.
And he sort of saw me with my gaming rig.
And he was like, hey, you know what you should do.
He's installed Linux on this.
And he gave me a USB stick with Arch Linux on it.
And I then proceeded to break my computer entirely,
because I couldn't figure out how to get grub to work
and detect Windows.
And I couldn't get it to boot into Arch either.
So I then got curious about it.
And that was where my life started to go downhill.
Well, actually, I thought your life started going downhill
when you met us and I made you an admin.
I mean, don't forget George, this was around the same time.
Because in 1998, I think I was getting Microsoft sort of
Microsoft certified.
Yeah.
We're in it.
I graduated from high school in 99.
I got you just a baby.
I am traveling to Microsoft training.
I never bought a game certified, because I was too lazy.
But I have like Microsoft was it.
Server 2012 R2 installation and configuration training.
So that I could take an exam as a CIS admin.
And then I just, I was so, but off by working as a Microsoft CIS admin.
I actually quite enjoyed it to be honest with you.
I quite enjoyed some bits of it.
But mostly my job working at the college was talking to,
because we were Microsoft's flagship educational establishment
for Europe.
Like we were then most sort of most integrated college.
And I, that meant I had to have lots of conversations
with Microsoft directly about how we were using their products.
And I just remember so many of the conversations
would go, I would go to them at the problems,
such as, you know, we build devices off of SSM.
And we want to continue to do that with Laptop.
Want to continue to build them off of SSM.
So they have all of the, you know, college accredited software
and stuff on them.
And then hand them to Intune, which is their sort of new
configuration software.
How do I do that?
And they just said, you can't.
It's not possible.
And I'd be like, okay.
And then go away for about a day.
We'll come back with a PowerShell script.
That does exactly what I just asked them to tell me to do.
And just be like, why did you tell me you can't do this?
It's clearly possible, computer.
You could have just told me, you could have just told me which bit
I needed to uninstall and which bit I needed to install.
Because you need to pick the SSM client off because it's
authoritative and then install the Intune client.
That's all you actually need to do.
So just having a bit at the end of your SSM task sequence
that runs that PowerShell script is trivial.
Why did you tell me it was impossible?
Oh, well, I guess you could do that.
I'm like, what do you mean?
It's ridiculous.
I hate it working on that.
They just have no curiosity at all.
Actually, I was also Microsoft trained on Windows 2000 systems.
As we have said, me to quickly call or just turn me into a secretary.
I got up to 25 words a minute.
I'm going to say with maybe a beacon buggy mechanism
because some were along the line.
It wouldn't let you progress because there was a bug in
IntelliCorps within somewhere where if you got over 50 words
and then over whatever.
In one, in one, in one series of lessons.
You might have been able to work around it.
But it was the bug was fairly famous.
Also, driving a curious computer type.
I think I crashed access.
And my instructor who had been carefully taught by Microsoft
said, oh, if you crashed access, you must have been doing something wrong.
Which was the, actually, I didn't even get to use access
because I asked Microsoft word to convert a word table back to text
and it found that in the gestible.
I mean, it turned things into into a nice table
and wanted it done that.
You worked.
You worked supposed to try to get the data back out of it.
And according to our training, anyone who found a bug
in Microsoft, where, of course, was doing something wrong.
Okay.
Okay.
So Gasean said at the time, then after my training,
I went to a, what we would call an internet cafe
that was being run on a budget that was probably a couple of pieces
of forgetting.
We forgot something as strong as the huge train.
And we funded our necessities because we were housed
by summerville, for free.
And we had free internet through them.
And we would get together the scrap machines and put them together
and we would sell them for a couple of hundred dollars,
or for a hundred dollars in pieces.
With a copy of Office 2000 and Windows 2000,
if you wonder why XP had serious license verification installed,
it was because of operations like ours.
That copy of that CD of Windows 2000 and Office 2000.
And magically appeared on every of them with machine
that went out there.
Of course, that's also where I got my P1 clip that I have saved
for using on pre-docs.
Because it only has 32 megs of memory.
And the hundred and thirty-three megagree process
and Windows 2000 was run on a lot of places,
but it wouldn't run on something that tiny.
It would run on a 64 megagree,
and if you had a 300 megagree process, there were a couple.
Yeah, sort of 2000.
I'm also a load of notes certified blackberries certified,
which just died this year.
Well, so much.
All the government's load is four, six.
George York, you're just satisfied.
I'm sort of fine, boom.
Yeah.
What is a wig?
Who was the gentleman who ran OS, too?
Well, that would be me.
In fact, I even have a virtual bias, too, right?
Oh, if you haven't looked around,
I forget the name of it,
but there actually is a current.
Oh, no.
I have that installed, too.
Did the newer version?
Yeah, it's, you know what though?
I mean, back in the day, I loved OS, too.
And I was kind of, I worked for the company
that had the three initiatives for you all now.
I worked for them for years.
And that's why I know, but that's what we used.
And then one day, they marched in and were like,
Hey, we're going to move to this new thing called Windows.
And we had kind of a Windows integration in OS, too.
So we kind of knew what it was, but yeah,
when they moved to Windows, all went.
I remember my first Windows machine was Windows 95.
It had a remarkable ability to try to,
just randomly chew on the operating.
I had some massive issues, because we used props and lotus notes
and all the other fun things that nobody else used.
And OS, too, had a lot of that little thing.
Peacom and stuff like that was pretty much part of the OS.
But now I had to install it as a separate entity,
so I can end the essence.
It was, it was a Mongolian cluster unit one.
Well, you know,
yeah, also IBM was, or a part of IBM wanted to keep networking
as a terminal connection option only.
So they had their token ring cards for your PC and your,
and your, even your PS2 PC, which you know, just,
yep, members of IBM fairly powerful.
The only problem is that when the workstation division came out
with the RT workstation,
they could not use,
they had to use the crappy PC token ring cards,
which were made to be cheap, but not efficient.
So they were sort of the real tech work and of the token ring.
And the, and it was, well, no, no,
and there's a disk division and other parts of IBM said,
excuse me, guys, you guys by limiting what can be done
by interconnecting our machines are causing us
to lose to people who can actually use ethernet
and blink their machines together efficiently.
Well, there's, there's massive problems with token ring.
The first part was if something's uncapped or there's a dead machine
on the network, the whole network,
and you would have to go around and you could put
terminators on that because the original token ring was being snicked.
And so when they started using what looked like land checks,
it became a little bit better because when we switched over
our networks to actual laptop or whatever it was,
when we switched over most of the network over it started,
yeah, I was better.
I mean, I understood it, but in the early days,
they were working upstate me.
They would, I had, I love, so they would send me
things like token rings.
They would actually be token, and it was interesting.
I learned networking is networking.
You're saying you would IBM get obscure networking.
Well, IBM switched over from token.
When they switched over around that probably,
I'm going to say, just before they switched from windows,
like our pickipsy and east fish scale plans,
that is if I worked for IBM.
But those, those started moving into changing to
like normal land connections.
Slowly, but surely, but they left all the other cables in place
because why would they remove them?
So the ceilings I always felt were going to get heavy.
Yeah, now I mean, I mean, I'm going to think of the years,
but yeah.
Now, if you read that Ann and Lynn Wheeler site,
the during the token ring period or whatever,
IBM declared that a properly program,
Ethernet connection would be a tremendous amount to,
I think there were 44 or 30 or whatever processor.
And IBM had somebody actually program,
ATCPI stack and they got the performance that they obviously expected.
The Wheeler is produced their own TCPI feedback
and that stack was used the fraction of the CPU power
that the official stack demand.
I don't know, Ian.
So I took it and I found a quaint interest,
most of them even normal than what is normal, really normal.
Actually, what I found interesting as the young kid
I spent with summer up in Maine,
my father worked crazy on.
And this was around the early 360 era I would say
because my dad went up to peak skill when they were working
on early solid state devices.
And so as a souvenir from this,
there had a lot of these little silicon waferes with
metallic stripes on them and little black dots,
which were the transistors and resistors in one arm.
Because IBM did etched stuff,
it built it up by hand,
and we're soldering discrete microscopic discrete components
instead of etching them into the,
with onto the substrate or whatever,
that people with more traditional ICs were doing.
And then I, years later, I picked up a book on early 360
and 370 systems and low and behold,
I see those saying,
wait for you.
What not?
I said, gee, my dad was part of that issue.
Of course he was also, he was part of Raytheon's
two division until two went out of,
mostly went out of staffing.
And then he worked up at low and Raytheon
missile division for side-winder's Pharaoh.
My dad was a presser,
so I was pretty much the only.
Well, my dad didn't like my unblocking computers,
except when it was time to brag to his buddies
or what have you.
You don't want to give praise to your kids
because that will give them,
they might start taking their word something
and they'll start being annoying and whatever.
But it was one of the things that was interesting
was that one of his buddies was on the human side.
My dad was lower management,
actually quality control.
And he said, they had to test the missiles
on a vibrant, Tory machine.
We've been able to live being ships,
you know, rattled around the world.
It's just who got only knows where.
And they said that depending on where
how much re-worked the union people wanted.
The testing, if they didn't want to work the overtime,
they would check the investment,
the missile component, slightly.
If they wanted overtime to rework everything,
they would check the missiles until they're easy to rebel.
Because that was all within the fact.
But the person running the test,
of course, could randomly choose whether the missile was
propped like a baby or like the 1916 Sanford district.
One of the interesting things,
because he was always the one who had to answer
when somehow something had got not respect
and how corrective accident was.
He was a perfectionist.
And teaching him about how people make mistakes,
the probability of mistakes.
Just confirmed his basic,
legal, the human race is one who screw up.
But this one particular February,
the government got a little upset
because there was a cold front had gone through.
And the atmosphere had gotten in the radio on land.
It got in two dry and what not.
And it was out of respect for organic manufacturing and missile.
So my dad had to answer,
get an answer to this problem.
Why Raytheon was not eating its factory within
what they considered color.
So he contacted a local TV weather personality
who pointed him at Logan Airports National Weather Service Office.
And the weather service said that because of the cold weather
and the extremely dry winter condition,
it would be impossible for Raytheon to have met the spec
for that atmosphere.
It was a very rare situation
if they tried to make this spec,
it would have had just no inside the plant or something.
And they said this letter that my dad could set on
the government and then Raytheon charged him for 25 for the letter.
Raytheon had a real problem.
They didn't know how to pay for something
that was $4.25.
If it was $400, they could probably
they would write the check-on problem.
$4,000, no problem.
But for bucks, they just did not have an accounting
or nobody knew how to write the check for $4.
Whatever.
I wouldn't leave Raytheon.
Didn't have petty cash in their government.
The missile living thing.
Just on.
For that year, something's here.
They could come up with cash.
They just didn't come up with small cash.
Well, I mean, so $5.500.
I'm sure they bought like $5.25.
Also, this was in the bad old days
for the type people.
And I was told this was in the 70s,
but his twin women's liberate
for each number we needed in certain circles.
If one of the type people
and managers would pull one of the ladies out of the pool
just for sitting in front of his desk.
I did not have a degree.
He was both loyal and effective,
which meant that he was used by the company
like the regular one.
Trying to get one of our writers to come in.
Distras.
And he's using something called no bearer,
which I guess is just use arch.
Just use arch.
Just use bevy.
I know.
He's got to do this.
He's got to do this.
I know.
They're all nephews and nieces.
Some spent so long,
spent so long just
facking about with different operating systems
different distros.
And I always just end up
coming back to the root distro that is based on.
It's never quite as good as the root.
Well, I never was able to really settle down
with Debbie and Debbie here.
I like.
I'm trying to stay away from pure of one too,
but.
Yes.
But Debbie and Roy, Debbie,
and it's just a little here.
And I just don't get along.
I love Debbie and on servers in particular.
On older machines,
it's fantastic where I have a problem with Debbie
and as if you're trying to install it on a newer computer,
you're going to have some fun just getting the Wi-Fi drivers working
and stuff like that because of the
not shipping non-free software.
But those kinds of things.
Fedora if I want a good,
you know, nice pretty graphical user interface.
And arch if I want to be able to customize it
to my liking, basically.
At the moment,
I tend to use a very simplistic set of
with arch Linux with like DWM to keep it as lightweight as possible,
because this machine that I'm currently working on,
that you probably can hear me tapping away on it.
So 2009,
think Pant, next to 100,
it can't deal with much.
But while you were talking,
I did manage to get news groups working on
neumons.
So there we go.
It turns out,
it turns out September's documentation is utter trash.
As is neumons.
They just don't tell you how you're supposed to format these strings.
It's very frustrating to use and go for it.
You've got to use and go for it.
Then I get you on Gemini using news waffle.
Oh yeah, wait, news waffle on Gemini.
I need to install Gemini as I love those strings.
Yeah, so that's a, that's a,
a browser called Amphora.
That's one I tell you.
I guess I noticed when I was looking at the Gemini,
I would still have your CEO.
Hold on.
It's great.
You think the,
I got to have to release my button because I'm actually using the tab button.
But if you're not,
you're going to have to have the G's or mode because I'm using all the,
is my push the top.
You know, my turn off pushed it.
For some, I don't like to use the space for our, because I'm always typing.
So I will always unmute.
So I try to use tab,
but then I realize I use tab a lot.
I don't,
I don't,
I don't think they know anything about sister questions or one of those,
while the,
up in the boonies keys either.
So you can even use one of that,
you know,
one of the keys that theoretically would,
would actually work great as a push to talk.
Hey Karen,
I'm looking at,
there's four graphical clients.
And I'm trying to stay away from this.
The terminal clients.
And four is the one you said.
I'm four.
Yeah.
Because it says fans.
And I like.
Is it fancy?
It's,
Yeah.
It's actually,
and four of fancy is the built.
That's why I'm looking at,
I'm at Gemini,
and I'm at Circam Lunar.
That space.
Yeah.
Flash client.
Yeah.
And for,
yeah,
it's,
it's fancy in the sense that it supports the entire spec,
including TLS certificates.
Bombadillo is also quite a nice one.
Oh.
Because Bombadillo,
uh,
it can also do go for really well.
But I just didn't stop.
Yeah.
Bombadillo can do both.
You just,
check in there.
So apparently it is a,
and they,
they're,
they're set on email.
Yeah.
Alpha.
Yeah.
Because he marks can do everything except that it text.
I've just invited some more people.
You know,
I'm trying to,
I love that the,
um,
I just love that Neoma doesn't actually tell you what any of it's variables mean.
It's really,
it's really helpful.
Like they may absolutely
know effort to explain what a variable means or what it does.
It just says,
there's an,
a variable called
I news.
Cool.
What does that do?
Doesn't say.
By default,
it's empty.
Okay.
Check the man.
Wait, why?
It's not in the man.
That's what I'm looking at.
Well,
Fudge.
Hmm.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
It's just like you just need to have.
How you,
how you,
check the info paper.
Yeah.
I'm on the reference pages on their website.
And they,
they say,
you know,
it's there.
But,
ah.
Here we go.
Right.
If set,
you need to go to a completely different reference guy.
Cool.
If set,
specifies the program and argument used to deliver news posted by Neil Mutt.
Otherwise,
Neil Mutt post articles used in the current connection to new server.
Uh,
okay.
Uh.
That actually confused me.
So I don't even know what you just said.
I think basically what I'm saying is,
if you want to use a,
an external,
um,
external account,
um,
to post news,
um,
um,
to a,
a use net server.
You can specify it set up in there.
Um,
but by default,
what it will do is just use the sort of SMTP server that is currently,
in use when you switch over.
So if I post it just automatically uses my,
the current SMTP server,
I've got selected,
which is what I wanted to do.
So that's my question,
because basically back in the day,
like when I had AT&T dialogue,
you had free on them,
um,
use net.
I mean it was there.
And you just added it to your mail client,
or you downloaded a third part of use.
And then,
um,
then they started blocking it,
because people used it to put binary.
Yeah.
That's a lot about the happens.
Yeah.
It still happens.
But then then it was like,
if you wanted one,
you could pay for it.
And then all of those kind of closed down,
because I don't know,
FCC raids or whatever.
I don't know why they closed down,
but they closed.
And so now I find free ones,
which they block binary,
which is okay.
I'm not looking for the binary,
but it seems like half the groups are gone now.
Like you can't see anything,
anytime I join one of the free ones.
So do you pay?
Or do you want a free one?
Okay.
I'm on one called Eternal September.
Okay.
And that's fine for me.
So everything,
you know,
what we mentioned today,
um,
the,
what was it called,
um,
you know,
the news group that we were talking about,
just now the,
um,
system and,
says our memory recovery,
like that's available on there.
You know,
it works.
I've just looked,
I was just literally fiddling.
I couldn't get it to work in,
neomot,
like in,
in something like Thunderbird.
This was perfectly.
It's just instant,
but neomot.
It's like,
because their,
configuration is so,
poorly documented.
And similarly,
Eternal September doesn't actually tell you,
different ways that you might want to,
like, might want to,
so it says,
if you go into Eternal September,
you get a username and password.
Fine.
And then it says,
if you want to set this up,
you put it into,
you know,
put in this server name,
put in this portfolio bar.
Now,
what you actually need to do is put a string together,
that,
that includes your username and password,
and you then need to go into neomot.
Put that in as the server you are,
and you need to say that your authentication mechanism is,
quote,
users,
which they don't mention anywhere in their documentation,
which is cool.
I love it.
It's great.
Yes.
We're going to authenticate yours.
I thought about joining a,
a username company,
but I never really got,
got around to,
do it.
I've got too much stuff on YouTube or whatever,
to,
to control them to go back to,
grateful.
I don't,
I don't think it's just going back.
I think my first experience online
was more or less
in AT&T BBB.
Because,
to me,
that was this close to chat.
It was like,
I was using my email client.
I could go out.
I could find a group.
I was interested in,
subscribe to it.
Look around on what people are talking about.
And then post something in there.
And maybe a day or two later,
an hour or two later,
somebody will send back to me.
It was nice.
And I mean,
I guess Google groups is the next progression of that,
but I kind of miss it
because I went off BBS's right to,
like AT&T WorldNet,
and I'm dial-up,
setting up a button.
And that was available to me,
and then it was taken away,
because the people buying it.
Yeah,
Google groups is basically just a front end for
what used to be used now.
I mean,
it works exactly the same way.
I just find it a particularly ugly,
and poorly designed front end person.
Like,
I want to look at these things as just email.
I don't want,
because the way that I don't know what it is about,
the way Google crushes up responses.
But it's really difficult for me
to follow friends in Google news.
I don't know,
Google groups.
It just drives me,
it drives me a bit crazy.
Well,
I get emails on them all the time, too.
So it's like,
I belong to two or three,
like,
opens,
who say,
ones I'm still in,
and other things,
even though I don't use open,
who's anywhere,
I still respond.
But it's in there,
and it's weird,
because now I have to go look at it in my mail.
Then I can go bounce over to Google Group,
and see what they're talking about.
90% of the crap is spam now.
It's just like,
I don't know,
I'm going to start leaving.
Like with everything,
people were going to,
anytime people join something.
They,
people just ruin it.
I need to map.
Every time I've tabbed,
I wasn't thinking about it.
It's just now mess.
I wish there was a true,
any key.
I mean,
I guess I could remap the super key
slash windows key to this.
I mean,
I just have to disable it.
So next thing I'm going to try and do is
map these to this side by.
So besides being in here today,
what is every,
or look?
I think I just heard trick,
etc.
Yeah,
I've got no plans.
I mean,
you know,
the whole point is to see,
you know,
to stop the years,
you mean to go on for me,
that means being a helmet.
You've been a,
you've been a hermit,
the 11-year-old.
I mean,
you do go out in the world sometimes,
but only when people drag.
But only when my girlfriend falls,
does me take.
Yeah, exactly.
It's like,
oh,
we're going to go shopping.
It's like,
oh,
I don't feel like now we're going to go shopping.
Okay.
Well,
it is after noon,
heater net says,
and by my ruling,
not anyone else is real ruling,
just like,
let don't turn.
I can now crack open.
Hey,
yeah,
go for it.
I got to say,
I'm disappointed with the,
yeah,
We have new stuff.
Notстройq is a new screwing of nothing,
no big busy estate.
It's...
It's not a link to sure that
it's notстройq.
three out of a,
I don't know what your financial situation,
situation is, but I can definitely recommend something like an HP elite does one leader.
There are systems that must behind your monitor.
They will provide plenty of horsepower for a relatively modest price.
I just picked one up and I'm just bitching to get in and consider it.
Yeah, I have a couple of the small little heavy metal like things. They're nice.
I'm using just, it's a, I posted a screenshot earlier and actually as my, if you look,
way up to me logging machine on my name or the machine on my, because it's a fake knock.
I call it a C. So it's got my username slash.
Yeah, well, I'll tell you where the mass it on the,
I'm kind of cleaning flow and talking to myself. That keeps on ringing.
Now, I'll admit that that I have a weak spot in my heart for low power systems.
I have, I have a, I have a couple of,
I have a cellar on XP laptop that I'm hoarding.
And I even have a 40 sick plant that I'm hoarding.
But, but, yeah, it's for some stuff you do need a little horsepower even running the net.
Oh, and when listing the dogs, I didn't include my Sembron 1250 single core 64 bit half off.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
One, I have this M2 set as a D that I really hope works in, in my new machine because again,
when I looked around, it mentioned the M2 slot, but it took a lot of digging to find out the M2 slot is both set up and
we are make compatible. Rather, it is reported to be both set up and compatible.
Since I haven't tested it, I have to withhold judgment.
I have this foundation across my room while I'm still going to be really,
it'd be worse than hearing.
I am like...
I just love the lobby of where not going to be.
Oh, awesome.
Maybe we ran candy, we run out of space.
The George break it again.
It's literally always my fault, always blame me.
I mean, even if I'm not even in the room, didn't have anywhere near it, it's always my dreamer.
Absolutely.
All right, I'll guess I'm supposed to send Hunky a rocket, but...
Well, this is going to be interesting.
So, in Hunky, a message that recording may have stopped, and I don't know if he's around to respond or what.
Well, I said it stopped recording and it stopped again.
Looks like it's...
It says it's recording on mind.
Oh, yeah, no, it says it's my bad.
Pretty much immediately after it stopped like three seconds away.
I think Ken's in the middle of a party, so you probably saw it on his phone when...
Oh, dang!
I'm sorry, recording it again.
You know, hopefully it won't happen again, because I'm sorry, Ken.
I know him, because I...
I mean, I would.
I know you would, but you know, every time I say, come to our cab, you say, I'll be there and then you'll never show up.
Yeah.
So, you point me.
Nothing, besides, but I'll listen.
Well, my friend...
I received some time ago a small, well, laptop, and...
It's got a nice 5-5 minutes to everything.
And if I was a better person, I would don't need it, but I'm not a better person.
Right.
I'm gonna have to retire to go get some food, so I might be back on my trip.
Well, our door is always open.
All right.
See you all in a bit.
Bye-bye, boys.
There's some cleaning upstairs, but I'll still stay in here, but I'll be AFM AFK.
There is an interesting project I just ran across.
It's called the Old UseNet project.
It's evidently someone has a website where they carefully will send you hostated useNet postings
that are like 25 years old, so that you can follow along with the old discussion.
Hello, netmina.
Happy New Year from Thailand.
Happy New Year from Thailand.
Hello.
Finally, something worth waiting for.
I must say that the saying happy New Year has run around on the fact that we haven't had a decent
Zulu clock, so instead of continuing to screw it up, I'm skipping a lot of it.
Absolutely everyone in the area had bought their own fireworks and were setting them off.
Their fireworks everywhere.
And those, those brother was setting off fireworks about 15 meters away from us.
It was a very loud experience.
Yeah, around the fourth of your life, fireworks are going off all over the neighborhood
around here, even though Massachusetts is a no-fireworks.
And one other guy who showed up here for the podcast as PTSD, so he and fireworks don't get along.
I understand.
Well, with no live persons here, I may have to try to crack out after a bit.
If there were customers, I would hang on.
Everybody was going about their business in there.
So I missed some of the conversation earlier.
Was the reason why FTP with TLS was preferred over SSH?
Generally, because if you drop a certificate into the FTP server, you're pretty much done.
Because you have the TLS encoding, I don't.
And that's about the only security that I'm looking for.
It basically turns FTP into something.
It's just like shifting FTP into HDTPS.
Heck, it's actually the same sort of system that's being used here on mumble.
It probably will not.
But I'm going to stay in here.
I've just been cleaning all morning and now I'm like freaking tired.
And of course I want to.
Yeah, I may take it enough.
And yeah, I'm probably skipping a lot of stuff.
But right now, I'm just getting burnt out.
I got you, man.
And I feel you on the fireworks, man.
I have PTSD too.
And fireworks drive me nuts.
And we have the worst thunderstorms probably in the south down here.
I'm getting better.
I've worked on it.
And I've done that.
We were freaking flashing late touch there.
I don't know.
Well, my PTSD is from a verbal or so.
I'm not from anything military or whatnot.
Oh, neither is mine, but it's apparently I'm triggered by, but I don't know what.
But like, I used to love fireworks and thunderstorms and abs.
Like, every time like a loud noise or something,
it's just nothing to do with that.
No, no.
It's more like, you know, as a deal with my wife.
It's like how I felt.
We won't go into that.
That's kind of.
Oh, man.
But I have feeling tired though.
I am feeling tired.
And it's rainy here today too.
And I really feel like going for a walk and maybe taking you guys with me.
Of course, we're not in a video type client when seeing you.
You know, this morning I took you for a walk when I was kind of like walking to my coffee.
Well, um, well, I don't want to say too much, but I actually demand my heart goes out to you.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Now it's just, it's what it is.
So I go ahead.
But I will say that because of my situation and a lot of stuff,
I such a partner is not in the cards for me.
So I'm glad to hear that you had, and it's kind of what you had.
I'm sorry if you're alone.
That's all.
No, no.
You get down.
I just, that's probably why I can't like keep our relationship longer than a couple of months.
Because I don't know, maybe I'm expecting my wife out of them or something.
I just, just, so I'm just kind of giving up.
I'm just hanging out with my cat, work on computers most of the day.
That's pretty much what I do.
I retired myself, um, last year, uh, December, actually on my birthday.
Um, so I retired myself, and I also took my three, why had five weeks vacation by three weeks coming to me?
So I took the rest of December off as my vacation and then I retired right after that.
Um, I'd be no one's to my company.
I knew it was coming.
I contacted HR, but I didn't really let too many people know because when I left,
it was just kind of like, as soon as I left, I got phone calls.
It's like asking me like, if I could consult or do so.
So I just like, no, I'm done.
But, uh, I kind of left because of the pandemic.
I know that sounds bad, but I was pretty much the only,
I was covering people that didn't get vaccinated and they let them go.
And I was the only one vaccinated out of some departments.
So I was just like, and I was working from home.
So who cares if they're vaccinated or not?
They were working from home too, so I was like, you know what?
I can't cover everyone's job.
I'm out.
Yeah, they were, and of course, they wouldn't pay you anymore for doing everybody's job.
Well, the problem is I'm salary, right?
So they would pay me a little extra.
It wasn't like a crazy amount, but because I was salary,
but they would be like, hey, look, and it's not like they would ask.
I just get stuck in these loops.
But most of the time they'd be like, look, we're going to need you to try to work to seven or eight o'clock tonight
and it's middle of pandemic.
So they knew that I could probably do it.
And they took advantage of me being widow, too.
Because they knew they was no family nearby.
And they would just be like, hey, mark the holidays.
Do this for us.
Do whatever because other people have families.
So I was like, I'm not working for this company.
This is like about five, six years in.
I was like, okay, I'm done.
I can't do this anymore for you guys.
That's the way my dad was.
He would go.
He would cut his vacation short.
He would do everything.
I mean, toward the end, his alcoholism.
He was taken time off because of his alcoholism.
But when he was healthy, he was, he was a company man to the last day.
And of course, people who who didn't know half as much as he did,
but had degrees in botany or something where his bosses
and took full advantage.
And there were people who would sign off on reports.
He had to send them a government.
And this is paper because there was no email at the time.
Or at least the company didn't use it.
They would hang on to stuff or require changes just to show their power.
It was annoying and I wasn't working for me.
Anyway, take your nap and I'll hang in here listening for incoming traffic.
And if I need to crash, I will.
You know what?
You're good.
You can crash.
We can both crash.
I'm probably.
When I say nap, I mean, just lay down.
Watch a movie and probably not nap at all.
He says I have a cat staring at me right now.
So I think she wants her third breakfast.
Well, no, actually it's lunch.
So first lunch.
Yeah.
Well, I may just hang here waiting like you taking down time.
But not necessarily crashing out, just ready to respond if somebody shows.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
No.
Well, I'll be kind of listening.
But if it sounds like it's something I can jump in.
Of course, I'm the worst techie in the world now.
I'm so far behind the times in the tech now.
Well, you know, the lug case group here is pretty easy going.
And seriously, it's more about having a bunch of good friends.
Getting together than techie stuff.
Yeah.
That's kind of why I like tech and coffee.
We've been doing that for so many years.
It's just like.
Well, I'll just talk every day.
I'm going to say.
I'm going to say.
You're very welcome.
You're going to come to our party whenever.
I mean, I'm going to mute for a bit.
And I'm maybe in an hour or two.
I'll come in.
I'll stay.
I keep my entity in here though.
And I might just go for a walk and take you guys with me.
I might join as another entity with the same name.
With the same name.
Geospart.
And that's actually.
Everybody asks, well, they didn't.
Nobody asks this time, but like what geospart means.
And so I bought pretty much everything that says geospart on the internet.
And then I will go and grab it when new things are available.
So I usually try to grab that Nick no matter where.
I even owned the domains.
Well, at least two of them.
But it's a first three letters of my initials along with my old tag.
I used to go as part of kiss back in the 90s.
I just geospart.
Because, you know, it's part of kiss.
Little, you know, everybody else owned that domain.
So there's no way I could buy it.
Well, take care and enjoy your downtime.
I'm going to mute everything.
And now return so much really.
Goodnight, net minor.
Goodnight, minor.
Yes.
Take care of yourself, friends.
Please do.
We will.
Thank you.
Hello.
I am just been recharging up and minding the floor for a while.
This is my first time joining the chat room.
A lot of people are leaving their identity here.
And will be accepting up.
So what are your interests?
My name is net minor.
And I'm glad you decided to join us.
Happy to first time in each chat room.
Stasher.
I actually gave him to me while I involved general.
So what did you do in the Air Force?
That is actually short story.
I was, well, I don't want to press for anything that might be private or classified.
But just that I had an uncle that served in World War II.
Up until his retirement.
He was in Air Force.
And I had an full-time air guard playing mechanic.
And get off the ground without their mechanics.
That contribute from my side of that.
Yeah, well, it was interesting.
He was, I visited him up in Maine.
When he was serving in Vancouver, Booster International.
He took me up, lined with him.
And on a fire patrol at a old town.
Also one day he got to check in on one of the ready birds.
The F-101 booters. They were on alert at the end of the runway.
And in the shelter.
And I was in one of the Air Force pickups in the middle seat.
And they radioed the tower for clearance to get down to the shelter.
We were behind the taxi and booters pretty loud.
We asked the tower to say again. And he said, follow that noisy thing.
So I've been one of the relatively few people who was tailed,
gated a dreaded airplane.
The jet fighter.
This was the end of Vietnam.
And some of the autonomous encroaches were coming through
to have their lower-time parts swapped out
for the higher-time parts of the air guard bird.
I never served in the Air Force or Army.
A lot of physical laws and never was in shape for it.
My brother served in a hot unit and was a perfect unit,
over in Germany.
During his time, it's perfect unit.
Something happened to the cold war wasn't quite as cold as people think.
Nor is peaceful.
That's definitely an area of history that I do enjoy read,
especially the technology.
Well, you did have a little excitement.
Like one time, they had a drill where they were supposed to signal
to destroy the perishings on their launcher.
But somebody forgot to put in the extra signal that said,
this is just the drill on when they made whatever,
whatever horn or whatever they were hitting.
So somebody had to go over to the compactive C4
and pull out the fuse and throw it up in the throw it away.
I'm told that the fuse went off just as it reached the peak of the throw.
Things could have gotten.
I've always wondered why they can't just use out of the empty deal.
Well, if they're dealing with an improvised device,
oftentimes there might have an anti-tamper secondary fuse.
And that's why they would treat the whole device
as I was a complete danger of shooting.
Although recently on YouTube,
I saw somebody clearing a road
of anti-tank mines that had been laid on it.
The narrator explained that it takes a thousand pounds of force
to trigger these particular mines.
So a guy walking up to them and gently sweeping them off
the way out of the way with his foot was not in danger.
They weren't as sensitive as anti-personal mines.
And still those towers.
Well, I guess compared to the other stuff,
this guy was facing mines that he couldn't set off
like jumping on wood.
We're trying to know where he is.
One of the interesting photos I saw was
the back cedar in a ludo.
He must've lost his pencil or something
because he was head down and I do mean
how he ever got into that particular position
in that tight-a-cap space.
I never held never enough.
Those air guards must've been really flexible.
Yeah, I'm sure.
They were aging by then,
but they were still on pad alert.
A pair of birds at the end of the runway in the filter.
Also, the hangers still had,
were originally designed for probably C-97.
The tanker version of the B-29.
The doors had doors in them,
so they could keep the tails of the C-97.
I think there's C-97.
The prop tankers sticking outside
while all the rest of the plane was serviced in the hanger.
Yeah, well, I've seen video of the C-97 huge, huge planes
and they were when refilling jets.
The jet would be just about stall
and the C-97 would be,
you know, close to the wall,
while they were doing their fueling.
That's why the K-2135,
but it was the Boeing 707 precursor,
was invented.
Our was ordered,
because they needed jet tankers to keep up with jet speed.
I hope asking about your service
didn't bring up any unpleasant memories.
No, my, I've moved, come to the end.
I am very happy with where my, the turns my life.
Well, I know,
well, I hope you accepted
your service and your design effects
are respected here, at least by me.
Would like to have a bi-group protest.
Yeah, well, yeah,
when my brother was in Germany,
his at the end of his tour,
if he had an incident where,
well, I'm not going to say,
as I said, the cold wall wasn't as cold as people think.
And my brother was just a mechanic,
most of the time.
At a particular aircraft,
a lot of very unindeers.
Well, a lot of the regulations,
at least for Vietnam,
and I would say that they probably haven't changed,
were far more advantageous to the enemy
than that our flyer.
Especially with the flyer's job.
I know that one.
Also, making our ground guys safe
is not necessarily a popular part of
with certain parts of the air force.
Anyway, net minor.
Well, I'm just on disability at the moment,
which I lost my job in 1997,
and after a few years of assistance
hunting for work from my mother,
who's the hyper critical,
so that if you were really scared
that if I got a job, I could move out.
She'd lose her caregiver.
I ended up going to mass rehab,
and they found out that I had clinical depression,
ashburg or syndrome,
with a side order of domestic PTSD.
So, if I hadn't been disabled,
when my mother went into a nursing home,
I would have been on the street.
Now, I've got a very modest,
disability pension and ran the house.
Anyway, I do Linux.
I do some writing for my own entertainment.
I do podcasting here at the Linux
Lugcast group a couple of times a month.
Since I've been into computers since I was young,
which is in the 60s,
I'm sort of the reference for a lot of this stuff.
I had an account on a machine on the internet
that when it was still mostly government control.
Yeah, we usually have been saying happy new year at the right time,
but we've had a bit of a problem this year
because we haven't had any body around
who's got a Susan Plough.
I have a Raspberry Pi here on my Raspberry
not only a Granometer daylight and a night of chattering.
If I'm reading the notes right,
reading to India, Syria,
like the New Delhi, Mumbai,
Kolkata and Bangalore.
Next we'll go into practice between you and me.
This is about as close as I want to do,
Pakistan.
Yeah, it's not exactly friendly country,
but friendly to me.
One of my uncles worked for Tom's set
and because of the world situation
that was developing in the 70s
and 80s, whatever, the government
was developing satellites
that would take a data load from
a friendly ground station probably on me.
In the US, you send it up to the satellite
and the satellite when it got close to
the target satellite would relay the information.
These relay satellites were replacing ground stations
because ground stations were often
in politically questionable areas.
At a long reach of satellite.
Yeah, well, it was interesting.
Michael worked out of gutter,
spaceflight center, Maryland.
And I'm told that he did a lot of
the unmanned launches.
The man launches being done out of Houston.
I need to step away for a moment
on how we write that.
I hope I haven't kept you too long.
All right, things were pretty quiet
so I decided to take a break.
This is my first time in here
of episodes.
I have a couple more on my laptop,
a problem to edit.
I'm fairly busy today right now.
Oh, yeah.
My phone.
Oh, and I'm sure
HPR is going to be very happy
when you can drop off
your, uh, your orchestra.
I've got a couple of episodes
and piling new firmware
and I've got another one replacing the
technicians.
But like I said, it's really a problem
with getting two young kids like that.
Are you a single father, sir?
I am not.
But things can get busy anyway.
All right, I understand.
With them being as young as they
are very difficult, both of us,
we have to attack team.
Now, I say from personal experience,
it is quite art-warming to hear
a couple who's raising kids who are working
as a couple, uh,
my family history.
My dad was an alcoholic
and my mother was very co-dependent.
Uh, it was very toxic situation.
I, well, you have an independent woman
from Maine, where family structure
is tend to be matrilineal
that is to say the wife handles the household
and husband handles, you know,
be with a farm or whatever
and making whatever income is required.
My dad came from
the mountains of West Virginia,
which is very patriarchal.
His dad was King of his castle.
When he said John,
everybody said how high on the way up
and when when you got married,
dad said, Oh, good.
I'm going to have my own kingdom.
My mother didn't exactly
well and tear for that
among other things.
And my brother and I were in the middle.
Again, I couldn't fathom that,
but I do.
Well, I survived.
Now, I just have to break
some of the bad habits
of the survival years in the start
level.
That's definitely something I want to pass along
how to work together, how to.
Well, also,
with everything looked at
as Power Center.
Teaching kids survival skills
was not considered useful.
Hello.
Hello.
Hello.
Hello.
Hello.
We have a start.
There's an echo.
There is not an echo.
I'm just saying everything
I want.
Sorry.
I should not
It's like shouting fire
in a crowded theater.
Who's got an echo?
Oh, gosh.
Who's my microphone?
Very much.
Hi, Joe.
Well, I managed to wake up finally.
It's really gloomy outside,
which is weird because it's in the 50s.
My wife wants to go out to eat
in a little bit, but I can hear it again
while I could.
And then I'll be back in later.
I hope.
It's got back from
Amnes Club.
It was a mistake.
What is Amnes Club?
I can imagine.
I need to avoid that.
Yeah.
Well, we got a free membership
there.
My wife's parents got her brother
a membership.
And added us on to it.
We'll be able to get gas from there.
I think.
Huh?
I can hear you, would you say?
That's how they get you.
Yeah.
We'll be able to get gas from there.
And I think we're going to
if we get anything else from there.
It's all going to be ordering it from my mind.
Yeah.
Okay.
May I know where you live in Vietnam?
I am currently residing in the state of entrapment.
You aren't we all?
Well, I'm up in Massachusetts.
So I wonder which of the liberal entrapment
states you're in?
The land of we lovingly call it
an entrapment.
New Mexico.
Where in New Mexico?
Southern.
South Africa?
South Africa?
South Africa?
South Africa?
South Africa?
Elham Ugorno?
Okay.
I used to live in Al Paso?
I didn't.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean you're glad to be away from Al Paso right now.
Yeah.
My brother had to Have Fun Time In Al Paso.
We'll bring to...
And even more fun up in Mexico, Vietnam.
White Sam.
Yeah.
How'd you stand out there quite a bit too?
Oh, I did.
It was.
down the drone. I haven't been to Southern New Mexico, but I've been the
cross most of the rest of it, fortunately I haven't lived there.
It's been quite a bit of time in Las Cruces, they had friends there, on the
part because, well yeah. My brother's now a long-haul trucker whenever I
think of him, I think of the Johnny Cash loan I've been everywhere because he
bounces from Washington State to Florida, stays out of no, I think he's, but, yeah,
was raised, but about everywhere else. My friend and co-host Dale was a long-haul
trucker and then on mint cast, Bill is a medium-haul trucker, he gets home every
weekend. Yeah, my brother's been a long-haul trucker and it hasn't been good for
his married life. However, he's now married and his wife seems to be adjusting to
living in the truck pretty well. Well Dale is not married or in a relationship
or anything like that, but we basically record just a hoppers digest when he
plans to get off the road, yeah, with what week are you going to be home?
Yeah, our next one is actually is going to be Tuesday. We tend to do 10 or 11 episodes
a year. I think it's been 10 every year so far. We missed December all together.
We had one of the end of November and now we're doing it beginning in January.
The concept was monthly, but we understood, it was me and Tony Hughes started it
and we were a couple of old guys. So we said, let's not stick to a schedule, just do the job.
That seems to be the good survival strategy for a lot of podcasts.
When Dale came on, we pretty much had to do it because yeah, he wasn't going to record
on the road. And Dale has been a big help to our podcast. Our numbers went up 35%
when he joined us. We're a niche of a niche podcast. We now are up to five whole episodes
that have had over a thousand downloads on our site out of 38.
A lot of time, I was just dropping quite a bit, but now I pretty much settled down to
mid. Yeah, I pretty much settled down that I dual boot to Mint and Booty. I'm a supporter
of Booty. But yeah, there's still something to look at. And there's always new new
distros coming out. I think this month, I'm going to be reviewing Storm DOS. Storm OS
is an arch distros, Storm DOS. They took the same concept and applied it to Debian.
No, that's interesting. It's easy to use. I'm liking it. Okay. I'm not going to change
to it anytime soon. Have you heard of Titanic? No. No, there's actually a Titanic. I think
it's Titanic distro. I'd have to look through my list of channels on YouTube. I ran across it.
I think we reviewed Titan OS, but I don't know about Titanic. Maybe that's the one.
I think Dale did that last month. I'm slightly dyslexic, so sometimes when I read into my
memory, I pick up the wrong. I have off by one error. I got to get that parody flag checked.
Oh, for decades, my memory was strictly a right-only device.
It has to be my mouth used to be. If it forms in my brain, it's out my mouth before it hits a
filter. Well, I'm... I'm also have Ashburg syndrome. Settlety is something we retrofit.
I thought they phased ASP out of the jargon. I am also autistic.
Hi, Parker. There's no longer a thing. Well, the thing is it got taken out of DSM5,
but DSM5 itself is a joke. So a lot of people that just got used to calling themselves ASP
decided to hang on to it. It's no longer useful to the strength. No, it's maybe useful to the
patient. Yeah. Well, the whole thing. DSM5. Well, Dr. Francis, who managed DSM3R and DSM4,
has come out and said DSM5 is a joke. The idea on DSM4, he said outright, we do not have
data to support some of these diagnoses, but we hope to over the next decade come up with
that data. And when DSM5 came out, he said there's no new data. Why are you guys just making
up new diagnoses? Right, okay. They literally were paying doctors to come up with a new
diagnosis for DSM5. Well, I threw away over, well, something like 15 years with a certain
expert psychologist. She was someone who really didn't need patient input or her treatment.
Yeah, I fired my psychiatrist back in O3. I haven't taken a psych drug since then. They had
me diagnosed on so many things and taking so many eggs. I call up the medication,
guinea pig dance. They have to be able to sell drugs to call themselves real doctors, so they do.
Well, I've had some life situation problems. And when my MD shrink said,
well, I really can't help you with that. I can just help you with the pills. I said, all right.
Yeah. And he's he's he also has we we did a few jealous medicines sessions over the phone,
but after Mass General decided that COVID was okay, he no longer needed to tell it. He wanted
face to face, which is, you know, I have to spend five hours going in for a half hour visit
that it is actually how you're doing. You're still alive. Good. Bye. Yeah, having any suicidal thoughts?
Do you feel like you just detached from your body any time recently? Yeah, I know how that goes.
I just the problem is that there are medical diagnosis is based on keywords. They literally
have a checklist. If he says this this and this, he gets this diagnosis and we give him that drug.
If that doesn't work, well, here's these three drugs that are similar to it that we can try.
Also, I can shut up about this anytime. This is a personal soap box.
Actually, I've got a story from Mass General. I had a very stubborn thyroid. I had it reduced in
87 and removed in 97. I said, gee, while I'm in Mass General, they have a psych department. Maybe
I can arrange for some treatment. I wake up from my operation and here's this lady who wants
to give me a personality evaluation and says you're planning on harming yourself for this
of that or the other thing. No, I said I'm here and I thought that I could possibly try to find out
what kind of resources might be available to someone with at least clinical depression. I didn't
know at the time that I'm obsessed with these and whatnot. Yeah. And here I am on who knows what
drugs coming out of surgery and if you wanted to evaluate my person illness. With paperwork,
I said, I don't think so. This is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live here.
Yeah. Well, I self-diagnosed it in 12 and I'm not age 12 anymore. Let me tell you.
And the doctors said, oh, no, you're too smart to be autistic. Which prove they didn't know
they were talking about. Yeah. Well, the thing that I discovered is that in the hospital,
there's East drinking, West drinking. They don't really communicate. There's the in-house
drinks. And there's the outpatient drinks. And the outpatient drinks don't talk to the
end-house drinks because they're, you know, there's the drinks for those people who need hospitalization
and then there's the drinks that for those of me. Ted, I just thought it was a mono, you know,
I didn't realize there was East in Wales. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I have a friend who is the lead psychiatric
RN at the mental wing of a hospital in Denver. I'm sorry, in Asheville. I'm really confused today.
There, anyhow, she is in Asheville and she's been a close friend and in fact, she's the
priestess that married my wife and I. So, um, and she is met with me on a number of occasions.
Just hung out with me for quite a while and she's quite clear that I do not need the drugs anymore.
So, it's nice to have verification from someone who knows, but it's really hard to go it on your
own when everyone's trying to tell you well, you need to see this doctor and listen to that doctor.
Well, I'm taking a handful of pills that I touched about as much as I could blow that
that bridge near my house and I've come to believe that a lot of the power of these pills is
because it's supposed to work. But, of course, if I take my, if I get off my medication completely,
there, I'm on disability, there might be some questions raised. Well, I was afraid they were
going to do something to me when I took myself off, but they seemed to ignore me. I, I,
went in for a appointment and I said, well, I'm not taking the drugs anymore and they said, well,
you'll relapse and you'll come back to us and beg us for the drugs. They literally said that to me.
And I said, well, don't, you want to know what I'm doing. Oh, we're not supposed to talk about those things.
And so I said, okay, bye. Haven't seen one since. I saw a couple psychologists, but they don't
try and push drugs on me. Well, the one, uh, drink, living in a castle type house or
mansion on top of the hill in Brooklyn, let me go over once a month, including in the winter time.
I don't drive. Why me in the top of this stupid hill? And he was calling us late during our
sessions. But if I didn't kill up monthly, I didn't get my pills, so they were going to know.
Yeah. One of them, they say I've been off all the pills since 03 November, 03. I am taking a blood pressure
pill right now. I'm getting an injection because my body has stopped creating, uh, manufacturing
its own testosterone, but that's all the medication I'm taking. I am doing a lot of supplements,
but that's my choice. What was your, your numbers for the testosterone?
Uh, it gets down to almost, uh, the zero. I've had, uh, 12. I've had a 25. And so they, uh,
does that free test or overall test? I do not know. I just go in. They do the testing.
They go, oh my god, they say it would. Um, now when I'm, um, they wanted me to do
1,000,000 every other week. Actually, they wanted every week at first and my, uh, um,
who madacrit kept going on a whack. I'm doing, uh, I was doing half a milliliters for a while. I
think they boosted me to 1,000,000 liter anyhow, but I'm only going in every three weeks.
Oh, okay. Well, it's actually supposed to be better to do shorter times between shots,
but if it's smaller amounts, so you're, you're not, you know, going up and down and up and down
and up and down, but so you're more level. Uh, apparently I hold on the levels when I'm getting it.
It's when I've gone without for like two or three months, it starts dropping again.
Okay. And I can hang on to what they stick in me. I just, uh, don't create any new.
Oh, so, um, we're lifting weights. Now that you're saucy. Um, yeah, I've tried to get people to
look at my test faster on, but I like to stress your own slow, but I can't convince my doctor to
don't give me the shot. Yeah, well, I can't convince them to even do a decent test from my experience.
Yeah. Well, you can, there are places you can send off to to have them do it. And, um,
I don't know, just a proper endocrinologist would be nice. Yeah. Well, I had a problem because
as, uh, that I had a testicle that never dropped. And, um, when I was, when I got to college,
it appeared that, um, my body created a sack of water just to have something down there.
And when they removed that, uh, because it gave me symptoms like hernia, um, they said,
wait a minute, there's no testicle down here. And they had a big way up almost at the bottom of my
lung to find it. So I've been a little short. And then, uh, I've been developing other cysts.
And they, well, last time they were removed, those cysts, they completely shocked the testicle.
And it just never, the one I have never produced again. And it's still there. It's still whole. It just,
um, I'm doing a job. Okay, we can stop talking about that now, too.
What doesn't bother me? I find it like conversation interesting.
I mean, I've been getting my, um, testosterone checked every six months for, um, the last few
years. And, um, it recently just got back up over, um, 300. Now, uh, it was around 230 for a while,
which is low. Anything below 300 is considered low. 300 is considered the low end of normal,
like 700 is what it should really be at. But yeah. Well, I, I was always low, uh, very low end of
normal, um, but that's okay. Um, I, I, I never needed to go beat people up anyhow.
Yeah. Oh, it's not just about, you know, beating people up. It's about, you know, having
energy, having focus. Well, the thing is as low as mine is, they say, uh, my bones, uh,
start losing density. Yeah. And they already have lost density. And my jaw, that's why I don't
have teeth anymore. Exactly. Uh, the doctor could have put implants in and he says there's not
it, not a bone density to sink them in. Yep. But it also helps you heal quicker, which is one
of the reasons that I would like to get on testosterone, because my tendons are just like
falling apart here, instead of actually healing on timely manner. Maybe he had soft lifting.
Right. So I fall apart even quicker, because my, my, my shoulders screwed up, my hands screwed up,
my ankles screwed up. I gotta keep all the muscles built up around those things, or I fall apart
a lot faster. Like my hip. If I don't work, basically, uh, legs and, and glutes and lower back,
then my hip just keeps getting worse. So I get to work out until I'm dead.
Probably be working out as it kills me. Uh, have you tried kinesiology,
anesthesiology tape? Yes. It's, uh, it's, uh, it's basically work out, work out tape. I use it, um,
on my knees after I go for my, after I go for runs. And it's, it's got elasticity. So it, you put it
on and then it contracts a little to help, uh, tendons. I think I've seen people use that on their shoulders
and stuff. I'll, I'll have to give it a look. And I've had to be careful with my knees lately,
because my knees have felt a little wobbly, but, you know, I like heavyweight squats,
rising. Yeah. I, I, I, I tend to go for long-distance runs and get back my very, very wobbly.
Some tape on my knees and within a minute, I feel like I'm back to my old self again. Well,
I, I had an auto accident a couple of years ago as Joe knows. And I have not come back.
Uh, it's just, it took a percent of my strength out of me. I can't even walk 40 steps before
my, uh, butt muscles start aching. Hopefully, um, with the treatments. I don't know how long
you've been on them, but hopefully, that starts clearing up. No, no, I've been on the testosterone
for years now. Okay. And it's not helping? No. I'm going to run your numbers up.
I'm not. You don't only need testosterone. You also need, uh, HGH. Well, I don't think that's
something I can get. I'm going to grow home on a tree again. Uh, without paying a whopping amount
for it. Oh, I insurance a cover. As long as you can get your endocrinologist to sign off on it.
Hmm. Don't have an endocrinologist. Well, I can't even say it right now. Um, I actually have an
FNP. And I've got a, uh, uh, nephrologist because, you know, my kidneys, I do, and nobody else in the room
knows that my kidneys are damaged. The doctors did that to me. Another reason I don't really
listen to doctors that much. I saw a blue light on mobile magu. But didn't hear anything. Is no voice.
Sporeth is typing. It's most card.
Trying to go find some food. Yeah, we're going to go out. Um, restaurant we haven't tried before.
We, we had the idea it was out of our price range and we're finding out it's not
and, and people really like it. So, and then on our way back, we picked up from pieces so we don't
have to go out tomorrow. The question is, what is for, well, whatever we like to, that's, that's,
that's on the menu. This place has salmon tacos. I've had big tacos before and I've had some
really, really good ones, but I never saw it in salmon. Little upscale for my two. Well,
it was upscale for my taste. We're finding out it's not as upscale. As we saw it was, like I said,
but my mother died almost two years ago now and our request to us is being paid out at
an monthly installments over five years. So we've got a little more to do things with than we did.
We are trying to set things up to reduce our overall expenses. So when it goes away, we won't be
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